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#3246311 - 05/14/13 02:05 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Boll Weevil]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: Boll Weevil
Anyone have contact information for the appropriate person (Wild Turkey Program Coordinator) to connect with in West TN?
It is my understanding that Chris Hunter is the TWRA Turkey Program Coordinator for the entire state. He might be a good place to start if you have questions or concerns.

I saw where Chris posted this on another hunting forum. "Chad Harden (TWRA turkey biologist in West TN) a call. The office number in Jackson, TN is 731-423-5725"

FWIW, I've spoke with Chad and shared email a few times over the years, top notch guy.


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#3246335 - 05/14/13 02:16 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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The last page of the fall turkey hunting report shows a good sign that things look to be going up. Hopefully, that is the case.

The thing that gets me is this: I live on some my hunting land. I am there everyday. I do not understand how biologist say we have a healthy turkey populations, when they all estimate it with suitable habitat. 90% of the turkeys in my county live 15+ miles north of me. It used to not be that way. from 1997-2006 you saw turkeys daily. They have either just completely moved or died off.
No change in habitat or management techniques amongst me or neighbors except maybe a house here or there.

The only changes I know of are these:
1) more liberal fall and spring bag limts.
2) Armidillos are seen almost everyday
3) wild hogs have been around the general areas since about 2007.
4) Feeding wildlife "deer" corn is very popular because of the game camera industry so people can see how big of a buck they are going to kill this year, only to never see him during the day.
5) the popularity of predator hunting. Yes I said it, shooting coyotes can effect in a negative way. Coyotes kill the animals that eat the eggs. Coyotes do eat nesting hens, but that isn't the main problem of them.
6) and rainfall. What I think is the most important factor of all. If I am wrong on this, please correct me. The past several nesting seasons have been way wetter than normal. Rain fall causes hens to produce more oil on their feathers, making them smill stronger for predators or nest getting varmints. Excessive rain fall the first 2 weeks of a poults life kills many, not becuase of drowning, but because of freezing to death. When the eggs get excessive rainfall after rainfall, not only could the flood and go away, but the pours in the eggshells absorb bacteria. This causes eggs to not hatch, or the poults to be very unhealthy when they do hatch.

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#3246340 - 05/14/13 02:19 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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As far as comparing deer to turkey biology, the reasons we kill deer from a control standpoint is to reduce car collisions, reduce crop damage, and keep them from running out of food. Turkeys don't cause car wrecks, and their diet is so diverse they can survive on almost anything. There is no chance of turkeys becoming a nuisance. Once a whitetail deer in TN gets out of spots, he has no natural predators. Everything in the woods wants to eat a turkey. The predadation and survival rates are not even related. Honestly, comparing deer and turkey biology makes about as much sense as comparing turkey biology and great white shark biology.
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#3246342 - 05/14/13 02:21 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Spurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
As far as comparing deer to turkey biology, the reasons we kill deer from a control standpoint is to reduce car collisions, reduce crop damage, and keep them from running out of food. Turkeys don't cause car wrecks, and their diet is so diverse they can survive on almost anything. There is no chance of turkeys becoming a nuisance. Once a whitetail deer in TN gets out of spots, he has no natural predators. Everything in the woods wants to eat a turkey. The predadation and survival rates are not even related. Honestly, comparing deer and turkey biology makes about as much sense as comparing turkey biology and great white shark biology.



Good post about comparing the two, that they are not even comparable!
I wish we had as many turkeys as deer.

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#3246361 - 05/14/13 02:46 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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I got it! Why dont they raise the price of license (especially for out of staters) and lower the all bag limits and we all will be happy!
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#3246369 - 05/14/13 02:55 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: CAMARO12
TWRA used to conduct annual poult to hen ratios per county and publish the results but when was the last time anyone saw those in print??


I don't know, but I would like to see the documentation of that for about the past 10 years. And then wonder why if recruitment is worse every year, why let people continue to shoot hens?

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#3246385 - 05/14/13 03:13 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
 Originally Posted By: CAMARO12
TWRA used to conduct annual poult to hen ratios per county and publish the results but when was the last time anyone saw those in print??


I don't know, but I would like to see the documentation of that for about the past 10 years. And then wonder why if recruitment is worse every year, why let people continue to shoot hens?

not only hens but why continue to keep a 4 bird limit in the spring. A bird is almost impossible to kill (to call in ) when he is surrounded by 12-15 hens
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#3246387 - 05/14/13 03:14 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: CAMARO12
Do a search for "TWRA Big Game Harvest Report 2011-2012" and go to the turkey section. There's a lot of good information there going back to the mid-80's as for as harvest numbers and brood surveys and the like. Hardeman County killed 952 birds during the 2004 spring season and the annual spring harvest has been down in the 600's from 2006-2011. It dropped to 546 in 2012 and 460 this year. I'd like to hear an explanation as to why this steady decrease has occurred.

You cant tell me its because of less hunters
Now days everyone turkey hunts
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#3246394 - 05/14/13 03:22 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ]
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I don't think it is because of less hunters. The reason why we started seeing the spike was because turkey hunting became cool. Turkeys have populated well, but also more people hunt therefore numbers are inflated. I miss the old days when there wasn't many other turkey hunters and everybody just deer hunted.

Dont get me wrong on this, if you put your time in and truly enjoy the sport of turkey hunting, by all means go and shoot some turkeys in the head. I do not like the hunters that are casual about turkey hunting, and people that go out and shoot gobblers just to kill and are not proud of it should be ashamed of themselves. Also the hen and poult murderers out there that kill because they can and although easy to kill, they like to brag about their accomplishments and introduce new turkey killers to the sport of hen and poult killing.

I love hunting with people that have a passion for wild turkeys like I do, and frown upon the casual turkey hunters.

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#3246398 - 05/14/13 03:25 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ]
Lawrence
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I would like to see the season 4 weeks and not almost 6
and lower the bag limit to 2
oops I guess thats why I hunt Mo. LOL
I have just about lost interest in hunting TN
I remember back in 99-about 2004 IMO was the best
hunting Tn has has in the past 20 yrs
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