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#3246154 - 05/14/13 10:53 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Wes Parrish]
CAMARO12
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Fall hunting has a very minimal effect in the West Tennessee counties as it is not as popular as it is in the rest of the state and very few hens are taken here during the fall. So that is not what is affecting our numbers. But something sure is and we need to find out what it is ASAP.
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#3246201 - 05/14/13 12:15 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Wes Parrish]
catman529
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If you don't want to kill hens then don't kill them. I think only a small handful if people kill hens in the fall and most don't kill the 6 bird limit. Look up the harvest reports for fall season in Maury county. I'd be more worried about too many people coming to hunt because they heard its good than people killing a few hens. I pretty much have the place to myself when I fall hunt public land.
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#3246240 - 05/14/13 01:02 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: catman529]
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171 turkeys were reported last fall season in Maury County, more than some counties spring seasons. 103 of those were hens. That doesn't sound like alot, but in the big scheme it is. That doesn't count the ones that will get bushogged or turned into hay either. And the ones shot illegally when misteaken for gobblers. And all the bearded hens that will be killed just because they had a beard. And all the ones that will get run over by a car. Then the few coyotes and bobcats that catch them. Then after all of that, the ones that do survive have to raise a brood. Right now studies show that only two poults per hen survive. That isn't very many young birds.

It is not about not wanting or wanting to shoot hens. It is about getting everybody on the same page. I will not shoot six hens, because I think it is wrong. That doesn't stop anybody else from shooting six hens. Some people do it because it is legal and it is simply something to kill and brag about. Six hens or poults in fall are easy to kill, especially flock shooting into a flock of small 5 month old poults. Turkeys are not like deer, they cannot opt to move at night because of pressure. If anybody wants to kill six turkeys one day, find a hardwood acorn ridge that they use alot, or find a spot they like to roost, and wait until they come by and shoot six of them in one shot.

Let me say this, I do not think shooting hens in the fall is the sole purpose that caused the decline. I am saying it is hurting some, and that is a factor that we as conservationist can control. We cannot control the weather at all. There is only so much we can do to get rid of varmints and predators. We can control by creating better nesting habitat. We can also not bushog until all eggs are hatched. If you cut hay, then that is just part of it, I understand hay must be cut this time of year.

The whole country aint like Maury county, and I believe most places will never be like what we are seeing there now. I have hunted alot of places around here, and there are places in the southeast U.S. that are experiencing declining numbers, as well as places that seem to be going up, Maury county TN is one of those. Some of the places I have been do not have fall hen hunting, that is why I think that isn't the only reason. We need to control what we can, and hen killing is one of those things.

Until you turkey hunters experience not having many birds to hunt, you may not understand this and my passion to keep the wild turkey.

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#3246248 - 05/14/13 01:07 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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Woodsman87, you can share my campfire anytime. It is refreshing to hear someone that actually researches facts and truths before spouting off opinions. Everything you have said here is spot on and agrees with the research of the best turkey biologists on the planet. Some people either know more than those biologists, or are so bloodthirsty they choose to ignore facts.

Seriously, poults? Who in their right mind would shoot a poult? Everyday I read something else that amazes me.
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#3246249 - 05/14/13 01:09 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
Hopefully not, but One day Maury county will probably be down like its southern neighbors. Too much hen killing, but more importantly, too much positive press on the internet. I have never hunted Maury or Marshall, but after reading how good it is I am thinking about going up there next year, and so does everybody else around here.


Here too. My bunch is already planning a trip for early spring season as well as many other guys I know. Kamikaze longbeards seemingly behind every tree will make a man drive 3 hours!
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#3246250 - 05/14/13 01:10 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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Shoot hens in the fall if you want. I just wish TWRA, if possible, could regulate more about what areas can withstand a little hen shooting. If possible to research, every year and every county or unit should be different. Right now I believe my spots should have zero hen killing. Maybe ten years from now it will look like Maury Co. and be able to take some hen hunting. Maury then might be like the southern most counties and have about 1 gobbler and 7 hens per 2,000 acres like it is around here.
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#3246261 - 05/14/13 01:16 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Spurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
Woodsman87, you can share my campfire anytime. It is refreshing to hear someone that actually researches facts and truths before spouting off opinions. Everything you have said here is spot on and agrees with the research of the best turkey biologists on the planet. Some people either know more than those biologists, or are so bloodthirsty they choose to ignore facts.

Seriously, poults? Who in their right mind would shoot a poult? Everyday I read something else that amazes me.


I am just passionate about the wild turkey. I may sound contradicting, but I like to kill gobblers as much as I like to see them live! and that is why I like them to thrive, because I like to hunt them. I think you would agree with me, you had some on the ball post as well.

About poult shooting, I may have exagerated there, not sure when they are quit being called poults, but I know during the fall shotgun season most of the so called "hens" people kill are nothing more than poults. They are inbetween 4-6 months old, and look like a wild turkey, but then again still have some of the poult characteristics. You can hardly tell jakes from hens. And these turkeys weigh like 8-10 lbs. Not hardly worth shooting and eating when you can kill a 20 lb longbeard in the fall too, and it is much much much more challenging.

Fall turkey hunting for hens poults is about as easy as squirrel hunting.
Hunting Longbeards during the fall is a little more tough.



Edited by woodsman87 (05/14/13 01:17 PM)

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#3246270 - 05/14/13 01:20 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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Another thing, I aint got one negative thing to say about fall turkey hunting except that you can shoot hens and poults. Maybe if we would quit shooting the hens and poults, some turkey hunters may have more longbeards to hunt during the spring, or if ones desire like myself, to hunt longbeards during the fall.

I am a turkey conservationist and a turkey hunter. I hunt longbearded gobblers during the spring and fall. I do not shoot hens. I deer hunt so that I can watch turkeys.

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#3246287 - 05/14/13 01:34 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
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Here is some info on the TN fall turkey harvest.

http://www.tn.gov/twra/pdfs/fallturkeyreport.pdf
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#3246298 - 05/14/13 01:47 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: catman529]
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Anyone have contact information for the appropriate person (Wild Turkey Program Coordinator) to connect with in West TN?
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