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#3245932 - 05/14/13 05:51 AM Hey BSK
Big Gun
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Just wondering, what's your opinion of Dr. James Kroll? Had a guy telling us the other day that Kroll is his hero.
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#3245956 - 05/14/13 06:37 AM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Big Gun]
Andy S.
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This ought to be good.
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#3245993 - 05/14/13 07:48 AM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Andy S.]
Wes Parrish
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Isn't BSK Dr. Kroll's right-hand man now? \:\)
Think they're working on a book about the merits of high-fence hunting deer farming/shooting for small landowners.

This will be next in the small landowner series books following:
Dual Use Water Troughs: Turning Your Water Trough into a Fish Pond.
Yes! Feed Your Deer & Your Catfish with A Single Feeder!

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#3246011 - 05/14/13 08:09 AM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Andy S.]
BSK
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First, let me say that the few times I've talked to him, he's always been friendly and even complimentary of my research. In addition, I give him full credit for bringing much of science behind QDM to the forefront of the hunting public's mind through the publication of his book A Practical Guide to Producing and Harvesting Whitetailed Deer. That book (I have a 1st Edition copy) changed my world (and eventually, my career). He was also one of the first researcher to begin conducting large-scale research projects on the effects of QDM harvest guidelines.

However, he was also one of the first deer researchers to use his knowledge and experience to create a lucrative career outside of the university research world (I certainly have no problem with that), but eventually his entrepreneurship got him in trouble. He began hiding the fact that some of the more extreme management practices he advocated were scientifically dubious, if not outright biologically dangerous. Eventually he started publishing crazy claims and accusations against other profit-minded researchers, and making wildly inaccurate statements in defense of his profit-driven management methods (extreme forms of trophy management). Unfortunately, he is now looked upon by the scientific community as a loon and a hack. His fixation on maximizing his personal income, even at the expense of The Truth, really destroyed what had been a great reputation.
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#3246012 - 05/14/13 08:10 AM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Isn't BSK Dr. Kroll's right-hand man now? \:\)
Think they're working on a book about the merits of high-fence hunting deer farming/shooting for small landowners.

This will be next in the small landowner series books following:
Dual Use Water Troughs: Turning Your Water Trough into a Fish Pond.
Yes! Feed Your Deer & Your Catfish with A Single Feeder!


That's funny!!! \:D
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#3246027 - 05/14/13 08:20 AM Re: Hey BSK [Re: BSK]
smstone22
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Brassica Toxicity... all that needs to be said lol
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#3246140 - 05/14/13 10:37 AM Re: Hey BSK [Re: BSK]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unfortunately, he is now looked upon by the scientific community as a loon . . . . .

HEY! I resemble that statement! \:D

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#3246466 - 05/14/13 04:47 PM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Thanks. Due to this conversation with this know it all, I'm now looking for a new place to hunt. Property in western Hardeman Co. about half & half timber to ag land and he doesn't want any does killed.
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#3246468 - 05/14/13 04:50 PM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Big Gun]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Gun
Thanks. Due to this conversation with this know it all, I'm now looking for a new place to hunt. Property in western Hardeman Co. about half & half timber to ag land and he doesn't want any does killed.


If fawn recruitment is adequate, not killing does would probably be a big mistake over time.
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#3246472 - 05/14/13 04:58 PM Re: Hey BSK [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Unfortunately, he is now looked upon by the scientific community as a loon . . . . .

HEY! I resemble that statement! \:D


Don't sell yourself short Wes. First, ALL professionals have personal beliefs that other professionals think are loony. And second, I've changed my mind completely about some of your ideas I first thought were a bit "out there." A prime example would be your idea that harvest pressure on the largest antlered 2 1/2 year-old bucks is effecting the structure of the older buck age classes. I now believe you are correct. And not only is high harvest pressure on the largest antlered 2 1/2 year-old bucks reducing the antler size of older bucks, I also think it is having a fairly significant influence on which mature bucks hunters kill; in that hunters are now much more likely to kill one of the smallest antlered mature bucks from the mature buck population than one of the largest antlered.

The fact that hunters so often kill the smallest-antlered members of the mature buck population is now so commonplace that it defies any possibility of being random chance. It is unquestionably a real pattern, and I believe it is the high harvest pressure on large-antlered 2 1/2 year-old bucks that is driving much of this pattern.
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