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#3246408 - 05/14/13 03:35 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ]
woodsman87
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Lowering bag limits yes, shortening season no. Some people can only go on weekends and afternoons
after work

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#3246411 - 05/14/13 03:36 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Spurhunter]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
There is no chance of turkeys becoming a nuisance.

Now wait a minute here, just a dad-gummed minute.
Just depends on your personal perspective. I know several deer hunters who consider turkeys quite the nuisance. One, he even refers to them as "big feathered rats".

But, when was the last time you heard of someone totaling their car because they ran over a turkey? And I've never heard a farmer complain about the turkeys eating up all his soybeans. However, turkeys can be a bit of a nuisance, especially when I plant my fall food plots, and they like to scratch up and eat the seed.

Seeing that turkeys are but a fraction the size of deer and have a more diverse diet, it would seem more in the natural scheme of things that turkeys should out-number deer.

 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
Everything in the woods wants to eat kill a turkey.

Fixed it for you.

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#3246426 - 05/14/13 03:52 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87

The only changes I know of are these:
1) more liberal fall and spring bag limts.
2) Armidillos are seen almost everyday
3) wild hogs have been around the general areas since about 2007.
4) Feeding wildlife "deer" corn is very popular because of the game camera industry so people can see how big of a buck they are going to kill this year, only to never see him during the day.
5) the popularity of predator hunting. Yes I said it, shooting coyotes can effect in a negative way. Coyotes kill the animals that eat the eggs. Coyotes do eat nesting hens, but that isn't the main problem of them.
6) and rainfall.

Your list is good, and would apply to much of TN.
I particularly believe the feeding of "deer" corn has had significant impact on reducing turkey populations in some areas. But contrary to your #5 on predator hunting, I believe fewer coyotes is better than more coyotes, from all perspectives. I'm seeing lots of coyotes specifically hunting for turkey during the day, although I do agree that part of what coyotes eat also eat turkey eggs.

Rather than the increased popularity of predator hunting being a negative, I think the real negative to turkeys is an increase in predators (part of why predator hunting has gain popularity).

In addition to too many coyotes, we also have a lot more bobcats, and a lot more hawks. A heck of a lot more hawks, which can be particularly deadly on young poults.

There is also one other giant predator entering the scene in some areas: Eagles. I've personally seen them attack turkeys, attack turkey decoys, and standing over a fresh turkey carcass (although in that one case, did not see the eagle kill the turkey). More and more, I'm seeing eagles hunting farther from water (where I usually see them). They're not hunting just turkeys, but they seem to be evolving into more focus on turkeys.

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#3246429 - 05/14/13 03:54 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Andy S.]
tickweed
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Registered: 11/25/09
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Well, I realize Catman is a young guy, compared to many of us older guys. I remember, as several on here when if you saw a turkey track you scuffed it out with your boot, and if you heard a bird gobble during a season you had really done something. Im friends and hunt with a fellow that started the oldest chapter of the NWTF in the state of Tn.,so I can go back aways. What has puzzled me is sightings over much of areas I hunt, as well as gobblers being seen or heard. I know at one time in many middle Tn. counties the flocks numbered in the hundreds on many sites in the fall. Within the last couple years, they have vanished in parts of Dickson county. It was nothing to ride to the store, and see strutters in many fields, and lots of hens in the spring. Now, you do good to see a hen. I know the fall hunts have knocked a dent in them. I know several guys who kill as many as they can in the fall, jakes included. As others have stated, why would a person want to kill this many? With a bow during bow season, that's ok, but a gun? To me its about calling him up, him doing his thing. I just wonder if theres more involved in the decrease in numbers other than the fall hunts, especially here in west Tn. I think TWRA has done a great job with the population, Chad H. is a very knowledgeable guy. Still, I have always felt our seasons have been way to liberal compared to other states who have more birds, shorter seasons, less limits than we do.

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#3246431 - 05/14/13 03:55 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Wes Parrish]
Lawrence
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I think season should just be cancelled for a couple years
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#3246483 - 05/14/13 05:12 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: ImThere]
Roost 1
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 Originally Posted By: ImThere
I got it! Why dont they raise the price of license (especially for out of staters) and lower the all bag limits and we all will be happy!


Cost of non-resident license is plenty high enough now.
I don't understand why nobody has mentioned the problem of birds not being checked in... I think that this is a major problem!! Along with poor hatches!! It's no telling how many gobblers are really killed during a 6 week season not to mention all the ones shot and lost.. The real answer would be to reduce the length of season and possibly bag limit. I am sure every county in TN can't handle a 4 bird limit in the spring.
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#3246490 - 05/14/13 05:15 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Andy S.]
Boll Weevil
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[quote=Andy S.]It is my understanding that Chris Hunter is the TWRA Turkey Program Coordinator for the entire state.[/i]

Thanks Andy.

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#3246496 - 05/14/13 05:21 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Boll Weevil]
woodsman87
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I still do not agree that lowering bag limits or shortening the season is the answer. There will be lots of hunters that kill over the limit anyways. I bet wounded birds isn't much of a factor. Im not whining, I have to work, but everybody doesn't get to hunt everyday of their life, so I don't think shortening the season should be the answer just be wise me and alot of other guys would be cut down to only four Saturdays.
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#3246507 - 05/14/13 05:34 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Roost 1]
Boll Weevil
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I don't understand why nobody has mentioned the problem of birds not being checked in.


The way I look at this aspect is the same folks (or proprtion of people) that didn't check them during the bumper-crop years aren't checking them now. In some ways, this factor could actually be one of the more predictable attributes of annual harvest. There's always been, and always will be, those who don't check. We use the data we have to help guide management decsions vs. worry about the data we don't have.

Enforcement...now that's an entirely different discussion altogether.

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#3246515 - 05/14/13 05:41 PM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Boll Weevil]
woodsman87
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My final thoughts on this thread for the day is..

Harvest limits, fall and spring, season lengths, etc. don't mean squat if the hens are not there to nest, or if all the poults are killed in someway.

Final answer- its all about nesting, brood rearing, and habitat.

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