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#3246002 - 05/14/13 08:02 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Lawrence]
Wes Parrish
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I'd like to see the Fall Turkey hunts discontinued.
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#3246025 - 05/14/13 08:19 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Wes Parrish]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
I say lets stop shooting jakes
other than the young sportmans hunt
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
I'd like to see the Fall Turkey hunts discontinued.
screw that!
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#3246038 - 05/14/13 08:26 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: Wes Parrish]
woodsman87
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Killing Gobblers in the spring doesn't do much to lower the population. Of course it does decrease it some, but most of the hens are already bred by the time turkey season opens. I would still like to see a 2 or 3 limit gobbler, but I think it is still ok to shoot 4. Since most of the hens have already been bred, we are shooting surplus turkeys. Just because you see a gobbler with several hens, and he breeds them, doesn't mean that is their first time. I do not know why, I guess they like to, but they continue to breed even after their eggs have been fertilized. They don't start sitting on their eggs until their clutch is complete. In my area for most hens its the last week of April every year, doesn't matter the weather.

Killing hens in fall should be abolished. It isn't anything like deer management, and we should have as many hens as possible. I am not a scientist, and I don't have the numbers, but they are probably about the same number of hens and gobblers, maybe more gobblers. Remember, hens mortality rate is high, because they sit on thier nest all night and day. Hay cutters get alot of them, and people bushhogging this time of year get them too. Some of that could and should be avoided, especially by the bush hoggers.

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#3246043 - 05/14/13 08:30 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: catman529]
smstone22
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We cant just drag down alot of the state because some areas are still doing great like Maury Co. We have to divide it up into units, thats the best way I can see that would also not upset the hunters in the high population areas. The NWTF has that Conserve word in their motto, they need to get involved in a big way. It takes alot of pressure to get much done. Everyone that wants to conserve the turkey population needs to send in their comments before May 27th and contact your wildlife commissioner.
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#3246048 - 05/14/13 08:31 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
woodsman87
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Overall, I wouldn't mind the limit going down to 2 or 3, and I also would be for not shooting hens in the fall. I enjoy fall turkey hunting, but do not shoot the hens. I think maybe there should be a bag limit of 4 gobblers, combinnded fall and spring seasons, and statewide.
And I don't think jakes should be off-limits. Although I don't shoot them, I think its ok for people to take a jake. Look at the harvest numbers, jakes account for a very very small percentage of the total harvest. That is the least of our worries right now.

varmints, hogs, feral cats, and feral dogs, should be shot.

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#3246054 - 05/14/13 08:35 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: smstone22]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
We cant just drag down alot of the state because some areas are still doing great like Maury Co. We have to divide it up into units, thats the best way I can see that would also not upset the hunters in the high population areas. The NWTF has that Conserve word in their motto, they need to get involved in a big way. It takes alot of pressure to get much done. Everyone that wants to conserve the turkey population needs to send in their comments before May 27th and contact your wildlife commissioner.


I agree 100%. I would love units. Maury county should be 4 gobblers, but everywhere else shouldn't. My place in Giles should be 1 or 2. I just think it will be so hard to do units. Not 15 miles away to the north, they are having breakout numbers, and my areas are getting slimmer every year. IT doesn't appear to be different woods or habitat either.

I think it is cyclical, and birds move alot.

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#3246065 - 05/14/13 08:44 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
catman529
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I don't think hen killing should be abolished, think about it, do we want the population exploding to nuisance levels? I though part of wildlife management was to keep the population in check. We kill females of every single other game species, now why should turkeys be excluded where their population is healthy? Some areas might need a few extra birds thinned out and some might still need to grow... I like the fall hunts going by county. I wouldn't mind the fall bag limits lowered if they had to, but hope to never see the day when fall turkey hunting is eliminated. Just my 2 cents, I'm not a biologist either. Also Maury county is not the only loaded with turkeys. Marshall county would probably beat Maury if it were the same size, but its a much smaller county. It has at least the same density of turkeys if not more, from what I've seen. Probably several other counties that are booming in middle TN.
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#3246069 - 05/14/13 08:50 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
Lawrence
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I still dont understand and I have said this before
that the limits are set before we see how the hatch has done
You cant continue to kill 6 per county in the fall and 4 in the spring if Tn has a poor hatch.
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#3246079 - 05/14/13 08:58 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: catman529]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
I don't think hen killing should be abolished, think about it, do we want the population exploding to nuisance levels? I though part of wildlife management was to keep the population in check. We kill females of every single other game species, now why should turkeys be excluded where their population is healthy? Some areas might need a few extra birds thinned out and some might still need to grow... I like the fall hunts going by county. I wouldn't mind the fall bag limits lowered if they had to, but hope to never see the day when fall turkey hunting is eliminated. Just my 2 cents, I'm not a biologist either. Also Maury county is not the only loaded with turkeys. Marshall county would probably beat Maury if it were the same size, but its a much smaller county. It has at least the same density of turkeys if not more, from what I've seen. Probably several other counties that are booming in middle TN.


But you haven't seen low turkey humbers like some of us others have. Maury and Marshall can probably stand with a little hen killing. Honestly, this is just me, but I love turkey hunting so much I want turkeys to be a "nuisance." It is weird me even saying that about them.
They ain't like deer, thats the reason why we shouldn't shoot the females. Read what I said earlier. Gobblers get shot by us, but hens get killed by everything else on the nest, plus all the other animals and weather that kill eggs. Also, hens get killed by us in October.
You talk about we shoot females in every other game animal. Squirrels and Rabbits you can't tell. Deer management needs it. Don't have a clue about elk, sure its like deer and moose and stuff.
I am not a duck hunter, so correct me if wrong. When duck hunting, cant you only kill one hen out of a bag of 4? something like that?
Pheasant hunters out west, I am pretty sure that they only shoot the roosters.
You cannot tell much by a bob white, unless you are close.

So basically the only game animal we shoot both sexes for around here are deer. I am not familiar with elk or bear.

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#3246085 - 05/14/13 09:04 AM Re: Numbers droping ? [Re: woodsman87]
woodsman87
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Didn't the fall limit state wide used to be only like 1 turkey during bow deer season either sex, and that was pretty much it? All the other fall hunting was quota only? There may have been a shotgun fall season during december, but it wasn't the ridiculous 6 hens per county?
I wonder if the all the sudden spike in hen killing during the fall the last few years has anything to do with it?

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