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#324347 - 08/02/07 05:45 PM CVA Electra....Good or Bad?
bonekelektr
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I'm just wondering how people feel about electronic ignition??I think it will be a nitemare..The more components you have the more chances for failure..It wouldnt be like picken out a bad primer..Plus I think it just takes away from what muzzleloading is supposed to be about..How can something with electronic anything fall under primitive..Just think how the antis will twist this around..I think technology is good when products are developed to insure quick humane kills, but I guess now people just want it to be easy, with human error out of the equation..I kinda rambled and cant type fast enuff to really say what I think but if this is successful[I doubt] it will set a sad standard for whats to come..JMO
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#324498 - 08/02/07 07:37 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
bonekelektr
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I agree..I'm not 100% traditional myself but I still think its gimmicky...
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#324858 - 08/02/07 10:33 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: bonekelektr]
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they are illegal in tn
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#325270 - 08/03/07 08:29 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: big 8's in Weakley county]
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I remember that Remington tried something similar several years back with their centerfire line and it never really took off. I believe it'll be a short lived venture.
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#328360 - 08/05/07 09:44 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
big 8's in Weakley county
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ask infoman he will tell you lol
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#328436 - 08/05/07 10:30 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: big 8's in Weakley county]
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Electronic Muzzleloaders are about as useful as CL's wee wee now that he had his nards removed
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#328478 - 08/05/07 11:07 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: .444 Marlin]
spctbone
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From Page # 21 of the new regulations book. Check out #3. A Electra would be Illegal!

LEGAL EQUIPMENT
DEER, BEAR, BOAR AND FERAL HOG
HUNTING
1. Shotguns using ammunition loaded
with single solid ball or rifled slugs.
No restriction on number of rounds in
magazine.
2. Rifles using any center-fire ammunition,
in all counties except where regulated by
legislative acts.
3. Muzzle-loading percussion cap or
flintlock rifles, handguns or shotguns
of .40 caliber (.40-inches) minimum.
These muzzle-loading firearms are legal
during any gun season or hunt unless
otherwise specified. Muzzleloading
firearms are defined as those firearms
which are incapable of being loaded
from the breech.
4. Longbows, compound bows, crossbows
and other bows drawn or held by a mechanical
device.
5. Hunting arrows and bolts shall be of a
barbless design and shall have sharpened
blades.
6. Handguns using any single shot center
fire ammunition and having a barrel
length of four inches or more, in all
counties except where regulated by
legislative acts.
7. Weapons may be equipped with sighting
devices except those devices utilizing an
artificial light capable of locating wildlife.
Night vision scopes are illegal.
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#328551 - 08/06/07 06:15 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: spctbone]
mike243
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i dont think there any worse than any inline rifle & it states in plain english the definition of a muzzle loader "Muzzleloading
firearms are defined as those firearms
which are incapable of being loaded
from the breech" not as to type of ignition so i think they are legal,mike243
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#328741 - 08/06/07 09:24 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: mike243]
spctbone
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But it defines them more with this statement:

Muzzle-loading percussion cap or
flintlock rifles, handguns or shotguns
of .40 caliber (.40-inches) minimum.
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#329172 - 08/06/07 02:50 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
CHRIS WILSON
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I believe one could make the argument that a 209 primer is a form of percussion cap, but there is no way to argue that point with the electra.
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#329402 - 08/06/07 05:20 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: CHRIS WILSON]
spctbone
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209 is a cap that is placed onto the nipple of a ML. And fired by the hammer slamming into the firing pin which is then slammed in to the cap, igniting the powder charge. Percussion!

Merrian/Webster deffinition:

Main Entry: per·cus·sion
Function: noun
Pronunciation: pur-'ka-shun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin percussion-, percussio, from percutere to beat, from per- thoroughly + quatere to shake
1 : the act of percussing: as a : the striking of a percussion cap so as to set off the charge in a firearm b : the beating or striking of a musical instrument c : the act or technique of tapping the surface of a body part to learn the condition of the parts beneath by the resultant sound
2 : the striking of sound on the ear
3 : percussion instruments that form a section of a band or orchestra
- percussion adjective

LOL \:D
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#329784 - 08/06/07 09:41 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: spctbone]
mike243
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flintlocklock makes sparks,electro makes sparks \:\) mike243
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#329802 - 08/06/07 09:59 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
spctbone
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Good one Mike!
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#332335 - 08/08/07 01:31 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: CHRIS WILSON]
rldel
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 Originally Posted By: CHRIS WILSON
I believe one could make the argument that a 209 primer is a form of percussion cap, but there is no way to argue that point with the electra.


Yep....

good or bad.. like to see them excluded for M/L season as well as the any shooting "smokeless powder" - don't care about the goin' dow the muzzel business...
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#352765 - 08/19/07 08:03 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
Carlos Viagra
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So, would they be legal to use during rifle season?
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#353823 - 08/20/07 09:42 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: bonekelektr]
wskp1
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If it doesn't have a flash pan then they all should be band, OH except for for my CVA Optima Pro
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#353838 - 08/20/07 09:49 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Carlos Viagra]
Darkthirty II
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If they are illegal then someone needs to tell the knowitalls at Bass Pro Shops in Sevierville. I was there Sat looking at ML's and they had a electra. I asked the the dumba$$ behind the counter if they were legal and he said "sure there legal". I didn't argue, cause like my mother always said, "to argue with a fool is to become one". To make matters worse, there was a young man there buying a shotgun. It was a Rem 870. It had a 28"barrel with a rem choke in it, appeared to be a ic or a mod choke. and the guy working behind the counter, told the young man, that the gun was the perfect out of the box turkey gun, since it came with a turkey barrel and choke. Idiots!!
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#353844 - 08/20/07 09:51 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: wskp1]
.444 Marlin
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 Originally Posted By: wskp1
If it doesn't have a flash pan then they all should be band, OH except for for my CVA Optima Pro


Throw that optima in there too. Never seen one with a flashpan
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#354140 - 08/20/07 01:31 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: .444 Marlin]
Carlos Viagra
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So, would the electra model be legal for rifle season?
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#354865 - 08/20/07 07:56 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Carlos Viagra]
Matador
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 Originally Posted By: ChadWheeler
So, would the electra model be legal for rifle season?

Good question Chad and I can't see why it wouldn't be legal.

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#399690 - 09/15/07 09:41 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
Carlos Viagra
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Those who think the electronic ignition muzzleloader is illegal need to check the hunting guide.

If you'll kindly see page 14 and rule number 11.

11. On WMA's and PHA's all guns must be unloaded while being transported. A muzzleloader is considered to be unloaded if the cap is removed from the nipple or THE BATTERY removed from an ELECTRONIC firing system.
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#422605 - 09/29/07 09:51 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: ]
JDRET
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Let me ask you this.....Would you load your ML with a fresh cap on the breach and the safety "on"? I know I wouldn't.

I wouldn't get a warm fuzzy about packin' bullet and powder down the barrel of a gun which operates off a ciruit board (I'm guessing not made in the USA) with the battery connected with the safety on....

nah, I wouldn't have one, legal or not.
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#450719 - 10/15/07 11:20 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: JDRET]
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The question I'd like an answer to is this: Has anyone bought one? How does it shoot? How hard is it to operate? How easy to clean?

You guys who want flintlocks to be the only legal muzzleloaders probably also want longbows to be the only legal archery equipment! I imagine there were some 'purists' who carped about recurved bows when they first came out. Just use what you're comfortable with, and let everyone else do the same.

But again... does anybody OWN one? If so, please tell us about it!
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#450972 - 10/16/07 08:13 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Semibald]
iowavf
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They are also illegal in Iowa.
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#451089 - 10/16/07 09:25 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Semibald]
CPerkins
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 Originally Posted By: Semibald
The question I'd like an answer to is this: Has anyone bought one? How does it shoot? How hard is it to operate? How easy to clean?

You guys who want flintlocks to be the only legal muzzleloaders probably also want longbows to be the only legal archery equipment! I imagine there were some 'purists' who carped about recurved bows when they first came out. Just use what you're comfortable with, and let everyone else do the same.

But again... does anybody OWN one? If so, please tell us about it!


Recurves have been out for about 2800 years. Not sure if they were as concerned about being "purists" then.

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#451155 - 10/16/07 10:00 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: CPerkins]
Spike
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Daniel Boon would have used one if it was avalible.
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#451586 - 10/16/07 01:28 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Spike]
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I'm not interested in owning one. I'm not against new technology. I believe that they should be legal to hunt with during MZ season. The hunter still has to set the gun up, (choose the type and quantity of powder, the type and weight of projectile, etc...). The hunter still has to do all the work to set up in a place where he can get a shot at a deer. He still has to load the MZ down the barrel. He still has to aim and pull the trigger correctly in order to hit the target. He still has to reload down the barrel. I don't see where electronic ignition offers any advantage over what I am doing now.
Many people believe that the way something was always done is always the right way. I believe these people have to hate power steering, power brakes, radio, CD, or even air conditioning on their cars. After all, the original car didn't have those things. How dare they defile the original intent of the automobile.
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#452766 - 10/17/07 12:19 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Deer Whisperer]
smstone22
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dont want one but could care less if someone else wants to slay a deer with one.
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#452797 - 10/17/07 03:43 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: smstone22]
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I wouldn't want to trust the electronic ignition - for both reliability and safety.
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#491584 - 11/13/07 10:23 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: TNhunter]
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Well, the test is in. I bought one. I like it. It does seem to be easier to clean, and it's very accurate. I used it in the muzzleloader season last week. At the range, it was dead on at 100yds, with 100 gr Pyrodex pellets, and a Hornady 250 gr sabot bullet. Didn't see a shooter buck, but I did slay a doe from 135 yds across a beanfield. I had good rest - leaning against a huge oak. I thought they were only about 100 yds away, so I shot. Got her about 2-3 inches lower than I intended, but still hit both lungs and the heart. She went down after running 100 yds. I stepped off the shot at 132 yds, and the next day I brought out the laser rangefinder, and it said 135. Next time I decide to hunt across a beanfield, I'll make sure I check the distances BEFORE I shoot deer, especially with a muzzleloader. It hasn't been rainy or moist yet, so it hasn't had a full test of the ignition system, but so far, no misfires or slowfires - it's instantaneous, just like a regular rifle. I like it a lot. But if I do find problems with it in the future, I'll post them here for all to see.
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#492734 - 11/13/07 11:29 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Semibald]
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All the gun mags give them a big thumbs up. I see one in my future but I also have a crossbow! I love to hunt, I'm not a purist. Anything which gets more hunters out is good news IMHO. Hunter numbers are dwindling in TN and TWRA is only financed by hunting/fishing licenses. Think about it, no money, no WMA's etc. I think we should allow one another freedom of choice and shake the shackles of traditionalism. The world is a changin'!
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#492745 - 11/14/07 12:09 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Savageone]
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Tahnks for the report Semi.
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#495623 - 11/15/07 10:00 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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I agree with you, Savageone. All hunters need to leave other hunters to do as they please, within reason. Antihunters don't think ANY hunting is fair, so if you give hunters who use other methods a hard time, you're just being an ANTI to a lesser degree. Think about it. ANTIs say "Oh the poor helpless deer! You shouldn't shoot him. It's not fair." They don't realize just what a challenge it is; the deer are far from helpless, or we'd all just go out each year and pick out a nice 12-pointer and put him on the wall. And dove hunting is a challenge of another sort, trying to do some accurate shotgunning. And yet, it's hard to explain that to to an ANTI. So the next time you think another hunter is doing something less than sporting, remember, it may be more challenging than you think. Or perhaps to HIM it's more of a challenge than you. And also remember, ANTIs just love to use our own words against other hunters. The stick you use to beat up another hunter could be turned on you one day.
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#495690 - 11/15/07 10:55 PM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: mike243]
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good point mike!
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#524359 - 12/11/07 05:32 AM Re: CVA Electra....Good or Bad? [Re: Boone 58]
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I bought one!!! I also got the Nikkon MZ scope. I think this is a great combination, although I'm yet to hunt with it. I set it up on my 100 yard range and my last 3 shots grouped within 1.5". I only bought 20 bullets so....I kept 2 for hunting. I am keen to shoot it at the longer ranges to check the BDC reticle in the scope, ie. points for 100, 150, 200 yards etc. It is a nice handling rifle, recoil is OK even with 150gr Pyrodex, good recoil pad. You still have to load it the same every time to get it accurate and you still have to wait for the smoke to clear. This will replace my slug gun, it's like shooting an BB gun after 3" slugs.
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