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#3242370 - 05/08/13 06:09 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
The KJV has stood the test of time since 1611. Like silver purified in a furnace 7 times...it was the 7th translation purified without blemish. It took the translators 7 years to complete it. Which also so happens that 7 is God's number for completion. \:\) It may all be coincidental but no other can claim that. hahah

I would bet money that what you have been told is a 1611 version id=s actually a 1627. The 1611 is extremely difficult to read. It is in very old English. The 1627 updated the language to the more "modern" way of speaking at the time.

Give it a try. It's fine to love a certain translation and the KJV to me, has beautiful language but be careful to not beat someone over the head with incorrect information.

Viewing the 1611 King James Version.
Proverbs Chapter 1



Proverbs Chapter 1, Original 1611 KJV

View original 1611 Bible scan for Proverbs chapter 1
(this is a scan from the exact, authentic, original 1611 'HE' King James Bible)

1 The Prouerbes of Solomon the sonne of Dauid, King of Israel,

2 To knowe wisedome and instruction, to perceiue the words of vnderstanding,

3 To receiue the instruction of wisdome, iustice, and iudgement & equitie,

4 To giue subtiltie to the simple, to the yong man knowledge and discretion.

5 A wise man wil heare, and wil increase learning: and a man of vnderstanding shall attaine vnto wise counsels:

6 To vnderstand a prouerbe, and the interpretation; the wordes of the wise, and their darke sayings.

7 ¶ The feare of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fooles despise wisedome and instruction.

8 My sonne, heare the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother.

9 For they shall be an ornament of grace vnto thy head, and chaines about thy necke.

10 ¶ My sonne, if sinners entise thee, consent thou not.

11 If they say, Come with vs, let vs lay wait for blood, let vs lurke priuily for the innocent without cause:

12 Let vs swallow them vp aliue, as the graue, and whole, as those that goe downe into the pit:

13 Wee shall finde all precious substance, wee shall fill our houses with spoile:

14 Cast in thy lot among vs, let vs all haue one purse:

15 My sonne, walke not thou in the way with them; refraine thy foot from their path:

16 For their feete runne to euil, and make haste to shed blood.

17 Surely in vaine the net is spread in the sight of any bird.

18 And they lay wait for their owne blood, they lurke priuily for their owne liues.

19 So are the waies of euery one that is greedie of gaine: which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.

20 ¶ Wisedome crieth without, she vttereth her voice in the streets:

21 Shee crieth in the chiefe place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she vttereth her words, saying,

22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye loue simplicitie? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fooles hate knowledge?

23 Turne you at my reproofe: behold, I will powre out my spirit vnto you, I will make knowen my wordes vnto you.

24 ¶ Because I haue called, and yee refused, I haue stretched out my hand, and no man regarded:

25 But ye haue set at nought all my counsell, & would none of my reproofe:

26 I also will laugh at your calamitie, I wil mocke when your feare commeth.

27 When your feare commeth as desolation, and your destruction commeth as a whirlewinde; when distresse and anguish commeth vpon you:

28 Then shall they call vpon mee, but I will not answere; they shall seeke me early, but they shall not finde me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the feare of the Lord.

30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproofe.

31 Therefore shall they eate of the fruite of their owne way, and be filled with their owne deuices.

32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fooles shall destroy them.

33 But who so hearkneth vnto mee, shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from feare of euill.
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#3243118 - 05/09/13 07:35 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: Bowdacious]
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Most all are useful, NONE are perfect. I use KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, ASV, and ESV to study. I probably prefer the ESV a little more as it's a little more literal than others yet very easy to read.
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#3243128 - 05/09/13 08:03 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: TX300mag]
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I'm certainly not a KJV or nothing person, but I prefer the KJV. I enjoy the way it's written. I use a KJV and a Strong's concordance.

I don't understand it all and honestly don't practice all I understand. I think that's a bigger issue with Christians. If we obeyed & practiced the part we understand, we would no doubt walk closer to God.

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#3243220 - 05/09/13 09:38 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: JQT]
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Wow, this is a touchy subject for some. Bowdacious is right on with her assessment of the 1611 vs the 1627 and newer KJVs (including even more recent revisions to the ones that most people hold). Also, the reason for some of the differences in the KJV and the "newer" translations (NIV, NASB, ESV, etc.), is that they use different texts. In 1611, the KJV was translated from some majority texts in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, but also much of it was translated from the Latin Vulgate where "holes had to be filled in." There was also quite a bit of influence in some of the Latin Vulgate from the Catholic Church, which is a whole 'nother story.

One must realize that with modern archaeology, older versions of original texts have been found. The older versions (minority texts), although fewer in number, tend to be relied upon as more accurate since they had less chance of having clerical errors in the tedious handwritten process. Many of these minority texts are used in the more recent translations, yet, with rare exception of some liberal bastardized versions, no foundational doctrinal difference is made.

If you have questions (as I did), I challenge you to read into the history of how we got the Bible in the way that we do. It will really encourage and strengthen your Faith, but will also probably challenge many beliefs that are often based on tradition, not absolute truth. I was a Christian who thought that I was well versed in the Bible and extraBiblical history, until I was challenged to dig deeper. I found many things that Lee Strobel talks about in "The Case for Christ" to be very helpful, as well as writings and history from many Bible scholars on both sides of the great KJV debate. Unfortunately, many people would rather live by the philosophy of "don't bother me with the facts because I already have my mind made up."

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#3243223 - 05/09/13 09:40 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: JQT]
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 Originally Posted By: JQT
I'm certainly not a KJV or nothing person, but I prefer the KJV. I enjoy the way it's written. I use a KJV and a Strong's concordance.


Even though I usually use a different translation in study, I also use the Strong's for reference, as much of my Bible study and memorization growing up was in the KJV, so that is how I recall it. I still find the poetic "meter" of the KJV easier to memorize for some reason.


Edited by EastTNHunter (05/09/13 09:41 PM)

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#3243316 - 05/10/13 06:06 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
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king james version or nothing IMO

I agree with Crow the other versions are lacking and take out important words


I'm not necessarily defending the "modern translations", but, again, I ask the question, could you not say the same thing about the KJ version? Did it not take out and/or change important or potentially important words?


I often disagree with Crow but here I am 100 % agreeable with his opinion :

Acts (KJV) 5 : 34Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

35And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.

36For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.

37After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.

38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

I do beleive the King James version has spiritual authority behind it but my advice would be to pray about it and let the Lord lead you as I did ! Just opinions so let us please be civil .
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#3243325 - 05/10/13 06:32 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Snake]
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I grew up with the KJV, but did own one of the newer (back then)translations as a teenager and read both cover to cover multiple times. I still own the KJV , but not the other.

These days, when I need to reference a certain topic, I go through the internet to find the verse, then go to the verse in the KJV. I can usually remember reading something but maybe not the exact verse or even book, so the internet is very helpful to me.

I think that it is good to have many versions since even today I find it much more difficult to read and understand the KJV. If a newer more modern version reaches more kids, then isn't that a good thing?

I guess the KJV adds a bit of historical significance in the way it is worded but isn't the main message what is important and if a child puts down a KJV because he or she finds it hard to read, then doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Isn't it about the message and not the messenger...?
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#3243355 - 05/10/13 07:18 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
I grew up with the KJV, but did own one of the newer (back then)translations as a teenager and read both cover to cover multiple times. I still own the KJV , but not the other.

These days, when I need to reference a certain topic, I go through the internet to find the verse, then go to the verse in the KJV. I can usually remember reading something but maybe not the exact verse or even book, so the internet is very helpful to me.

I think that it is good to have many versions since even today I find it much more difficult to read and understand the KJV. If a newer more modern version reaches more kids, then isn't that a good thing?

I guess the KJV adds a bit of historical significance in the way it is worded but isn't the main message what is important and if a child puts down a KJV because he or she finds it hard to read, then doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Isn't it about the message and not the messenger...?


True unless the message is distorted BH :
Matthew 7 : 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

This scripture had ought to trouble every Christian because many are going to go the wrong way !







1 John (KJV) 4 : 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


Edited by Snake (05/10/13 07:18 AM)
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#3243375 - 05/10/13 07:43 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Snake]
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Like many on here, I grew up reading and studying out of the KJV, but my carry bible is now the NKJV. Some have mention Bible Gateway, which I totally agree is an awesome resource. I have the link on my toolbar and find the daily scripture, devotions, and the ability to read the scripture in various translation unparalleled. The Amplifed Bible is another translation that I enjoy reading from. The key, I believe, is to remember the context in which a given text was written, and to read the verses preceding and following, as a verse out of context or alone, may give the reader/hearer the wrong impression. Study, study, study, followed by pray, pray, and pray more.
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#3243404 - 05/10/13 08:12 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: encore06]
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The 1611 and 1627 edition KJV are the same Bible. There was no revision or re-translation to the text other than basically proof reading and fixing grammatical errors. There was no revising it to delete X amount of verses or to make it less offensive to people at the time. It is still the Authorized King James Bible...just the same as the later revision took those doggone Roman numerals out of it, and made it standard numbers LOL. I have a Bible from the 1800s that is all Roman numeral numbers.

The one thing to not be mistaken about though is to not think the modern newer versions out there are simply the KJV that has been made easier to understand. A lot of these other versions are translations taken from some crazy texts and totally different stuff. Remember...for every good thing that God has for us humans...Satan has a counterfeit for. Some things may look like a Bible and kind of have the same sound as the Bible...but it ain't a real Bible. When you look at the 23 Psalm in KJV...it just has power about it on it's own.

1. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

VS the NIV of the same:

1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.

2 He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters,

3 he refreshes my soul. He guides me along the right paths for his name’s sake.

4 Even though I walk through the darkest valley,[a]
I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.

6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

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I don't know about you, but to me, one just speaks with POWER behind it. Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...I will fear no evil: for thou art with me. That has POWER and AUTHORITY behind it. There's a big difference between walking through the valley of the shadow of death...and walking through the darkest valley. It lacks the power. Like trying to take a Prius through a mudhole.

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