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#3241969 - 05/08/13 08:44 AM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: woodsman87]
Jarred525
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I believe the article is right about coyotes. I do not think they are a major problem. I am sure they catch some turkeys. But think about how good at surviving an adult bird is. A coyote would have to get mighty lucky to catch a turkey. I have first hand see a coyote in the same cow pasture with a flock of hens and a strutting gobbler. The Gobbler never broke strut, then hens didn't pay it attention, and the coyote just kind of circled them and then went away. The only turkeys I believe that a coyote, bobcat, or fox could catch are wounded/sick birds, hens sitting on nest, and poults.
The main problem is nest getting animals like skunks, possums, and racoons.


I agree nest predators are a bigger problem. Wonder if TWRA would consider opening up trapping year around in the hardest impacted areas? I could care less about making moeny off furs, just want to get rid of some of the predators.

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#3241978 - 05/08/13 08:48 AM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: Jarred525]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: Jarred525
 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I believe the article is right about coyotes. I do not think they are a major problem. I am sure they catch some turkeys. But think about how good at surviving an adult bird is. A coyote would have to get mighty lucky to catch a turkey. I have first hand see a coyote in the same cow pasture with a flock of hens and a strutting gobbler. The Gobbler never broke strut, then hens didn't pay it attention, and the coyote just kind of circled them and then went away. The only turkeys I believe that a coyote, bobcat, or fox could catch are wounded/sick birds, hens sitting on nest, and poults.
The main problem is nest getting animals like skunks, possums, and racoons.


I agree nest predators are a bigger problem. Wonder if TWRA would consider opening up trapping year around in the hardest impacted areas? I could care less about making moeny off furs, just want to get rid of some of the predators.


I agree Jarred. I don't care about making money of furs, its hard to do now days anyways. I just don't know how well it would work. I don't know of many people that would trap. I would like to give a try, but I don't know if I would be able to catch them daily.

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#3241981 - 05/08/13 08:53 AM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: woodsman87]
Jarred525
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
 Originally Posted By: Jarred525
 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I believe the article is right about coyotes. I do not think they are a major problem. I am sure they catch some turkeys. But think about how good at surviving an adult bird is. A coyote would have to get mighty lucky to catch a turkey. I have first hand see a coyote in the same cow pasture with a flock of hens and a strutting gobbler. The Gobbler never broke strut, then hens didn't pay it attention, and the coyote just kind of circled them and then went away. The only turkeys I believe that a coyote, bobcat, or fox could catch are wounded/sick birds, hens sitting on nest, and poults.
The main problem is nest getting animals like skunks, possums, and racoons.


I agree nest predators are a bigger problem. Wonder if TWRA would consider opening up trapping year around in the hardest impacted areas? I could care less about making moeny off furs, just want to get rid of some of the predators.


I agree Jarred. I don't care about making money of furs, its hard to do now days anyways. I just don't know how well it would work. I don't know of many people that would trap. I would like to give a try, but I don't know if I would be able to catch them daily.


It is a time commitment to check traps daily. Luckily my brother and dad live right on the farm so they could probably check them daily. Trapping is not as hard as you might think.

I am scratching my head though on why the northern part of Giles is doing so well why the southern part is struggling?

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#3242025 - 05/08/13 09:29 AM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: Jarred525]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: Jarred525
 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
 Originally Posted By: Jarred525
 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
I believe the article is right about coyotes. I do not think they are a major problem. I am sure they catch some turkeys. But think about how good at surviving an adult bird is. A coyote would have to get mighty lucky to catch a turkey. I have first hand see a coyote in the same cow pasture with a flock of hens and a strutting gobbler. The Gobbler never broke strut, then hens didn't pay it attention, and the coyote just kind of circled them and then went away. The only turkeys I believe that a coyote, bobcat, or fox could catch are wounded/sick birds, hens sitting on nest, and poults.
The main problem is nest getting animals like skunks, possums, and racoons.


I agree nest predators are a bigger problem. Wonder if TWRA would consider opening up trapping year around in the hardest impacted areas? I could care less about making moeny off furs, just want to get rid of some of the predators.


I agree Jarred. I don't care about making money of furs, its hard to do now days anyways. I just don't know how well it would work. I don't know of many people that would trap. I would like to give a try, but I don't know if I would be able to catch them daily.


It is a time commitment to check traps daily. Luckily my brother and dad live right on the farm so they could probably check them daily. Trapping is not as hard as you might think.

I am scratching my head though on why the northern part of Giles is doing so well why the southern part is struggling?


Do not know why either. Go north of Pulaski and it's a different world. I bet out of the 522+ turkeys killed in Giles, 450 were killed north of 64. I have no way of finding that out, just a pure guess off of observations of seeing turkeys and hunters talkin

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#3242097 - 05/08/13 10:58 AM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: woodsman87]
Boll Weevil
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The statement I'm about to make is gonna come off as hypocritical because I'm a data nut. I always trust the research data...well...almost always.

There was a study conducted by Lovett Williams in FL some years ago that showed preator control actually did very little to improve recruitment and survival. I don't mean killing a skunk or coon here and there, I mean they absolutely worked on the furbearers for the duration of the study.

(Insert hipocrisy here) Regardless of what the research says I just cannot believe that killing each and every one of the varmints I can doesn't help. I know it seems like ya'kill 1 and 3 comes to his funeral but for my part...every coyote I see...fire in the hole.

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#3242123 - 05/08/13 11:36 AM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: Boll Weevil]
woodsman87
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I shoot coyotes I see too Boll Weevil, but its the racoons and such that hurt the turkeys so much, not coyotes.
Shooting coyotes may even have a negative impact, since they probably eat lots of racoons, possums, skunks, etc.

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#3242176 - 05/08/13 12:54 PM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: woodsman87]
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I shoot them too but seasons are more of a limitation. Everything I can legally do to help the birds.
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#3242186 - 05/08/13 01:07 PM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: Boll Weevil]
Jarred525
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 Originally Posted By: Boll Weevil
The statement I'm about to make is gonna come off as hypocritical because I'm a data nut. I always trust the research data...well...almost always.

There was a study conducted by Lovett Williams in FL some years ago that showed preator control actually did very little to improve recruitment and survival. I don't mean killing a skunk or coon here and there, I mean they absolutely worked on the furbearers for the duration of the study.

(Insert hipocrisy here) Regardless of what the research says I just cannot believe that killing each and every one of the varmints I can doesn't help. I know it seems like ya'kill 1 and 3 comes to his funeral but for my part...every coyote I see...fire in the hole.


Interesting research data. I spoke with Grant Woods at the last QDMA conference and asked him if he had any research data to show the impact of predator control (specifically nest predators) on the turkey population on his farm. He did not have anything as of yet but without a doubt said it was one of the best things he had done (trapping) along with habitat improvement and his turkey numbers have boomed.

Woodsman, check out growingdeer.tv Love the videos and Grant does a good job with his trapping episodes. The Duke Dog Proof Coon traps are awesome!

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#3242227 - 05/08/13 02:03 PM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: Jarred525]
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Hardin county should be added to the list.
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#3242241 - 05/08/13 02:40 PM Re: Lawrence, Wayne, and giles counties... [Re: ]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: CAMARO12
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Hardin county should be added to the list.
As well as McNairy and Hardeman.


I was wondering about those. I have never hunted west of Waynesboro, and I knew that Hardin, Hardeman, and Mcnairy were all three great turkey counties, traditionally.

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