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#3241953 - 05/08/13 08:35 AM Did you know deer got this old?
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I was looking for a study I heard about a while back about how quickly deer populations grow exponentially due to prevalence of having twins. While reading this I saw where they were talking about does 8-16 years old????

I may be way behind but I thought an "old" deer was like 3 to 5 years old. Did everyone else know they actually live this long?

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#3241966 - 05/08/13 08:42 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: ]
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I don't know anything about aging deer, but it doesn't surprise me does getting 8+ years old, because they don't get shot. Bucks though, in my pressured area, are old once they become 2.5-3.5
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#3241988 - 05/08/13 08:57 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: woodsman87]
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Deer in captivity have lived to be ~20 years old. 10+ is exceptionally rare in the wild because their teeth don't last that long, but if they are eating a diet that does not wear their teeth down, 13-15 probably happens on occasion.
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#3242067 - 05/08/13 10:21 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Poser]
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I can't for the life of me remember his screen name right now but back when we did the biggest buck / oldest doe a man won the doe contest every year I guess.

He killed some amazingly old does every year.

Man, that is going to drive me crazy now. \:\(
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#3242089 - 05/08/13 10:42 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
I can't for the life of me remember his screen name right now but back when we did the biggest buck / oldest doe a man won the doe contest every year I guess.

He killed some amazingly old does every year.

Man, that is going to drive me crazy now. \:\(



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#3242102 - 05/08/13 11:02 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: A.Hall]
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My friend was working on his Masters in Wildlife Biology at Miss State in 2005. In 2004, another graduate student killed a doe in southern Mississippi that had been ear tagged as part of a deer study in the early 90s. She was crazy old.
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#3242194 - 05/08/13 01:15 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: WMAn]
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This is the oldest I have seen, found a skeleton while shed hunting earlier this year. I think she's at least 7 if not 8.





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#3242644 - 05/09/13 07:26 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: catman529]
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3.5 to 5.5 is ancient in my neck of the woods. \:D
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#3242681 - 05/09/13 08:10 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: MUP]
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Although few of them do, deer CAN lead fairly lengthy lives. The oldest wild deer Matson's Lab has ever aged by cementum annuli was 19 1/2 years old, and she was killed by a hunter on the Cumberland Plateau in southeast TN a few years back.

Without question does often live much longer than bucks, but hunter harvest is only part of the equation. In fact, in many parts of the country, doe harvests almost equal (and in many locations, actually exceed) buck harvests year after year. The longer potential lifespan of female deer over male deer is more due to females "easier" lives, in that they do not have to deal with the stresses of the rut that bucks endure, nor major injuries caused by fighting and signposting (body injuries and brain abscesses caused by sparring, fighting, and rubbing behavior in bucks).

Habitat and terrain are also key players in deer lifespan. Deer in flat, agricultural areas often live quite a bit longer than deer in rugged and/or big woods environments. The year round availability of high-quality food sources in agricultural areas greatly reduces seasonal nutritional stresses, increasing lifespan of old deer more vulnerable to malnutrition.

In flat, agricultural land, a few bucks will make it into the 8-10 year-old ages, while in hilly hardwoods, few bucks live past 6 or 7. Does over 12 years of age are not uncommon in agricultural areas, but are far more rare in rugged forestland.
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#3242760 - 05/09/13 09:45 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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I've seen a couple does on trail cam that look pretty haggard, river bottom/ag type habitat. Would love to stick an arrow in one of them and see how old, as much as I'd like a 3 or 4 year old buck. Next old doe I kill will be made into a European mount that will go on the wall with my bucks.
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#3244620 - 05/11/13 10:20 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
The longer potential lifespan of female deer over male deer is more due to females "easier" lives, in that they do not have to deal with the stresses . . . .

Yes, been saying that for years, just like with humans. \:D

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#3244646 - 05/11/13 11:59 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I did not know deer could love that long either.
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#3244740 - 05/12/13 08:44 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: plinker22]
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LOL at Wes
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#3245821 - 05/13/13 09:39 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: ruckus
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I was looking for a study I heard about a while back about how quickly deer populations grow exponentially due to prevalence of having twins. While reading this I saw where they were talking about does 8-16 years old????

I may be way behind but I thought an "old" deer was like 3 to 5 years old. Did everyone else know they actually live this long?


From Jay Langstons book on Tennessee Deer.......the oldest deer on tennessee books is around 19 years old. It was tagged when turned loose and when shot they still had the tag on it. Pretty remarkable. But i would venture to say that most does dont live past 5 years old under the tight hunting we have now. But anything is possible.
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#3245892 - 05/14/13 04:23 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Boone 58]
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Interesting. Never would have guessed they live to be teenagers.
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#3246023 - 05/14/13 08:17 AM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Boone 58]
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 Originally Posted By: Boone 58
From Jay Langstons book on Tennessee Deer.......the oldest deer on tennessee books is around 19 years old. It was tagged when turned loose and when shot they still had the tag on it. Pretty remarkable. But i would venture to say that most does dont live past 5 years old under the tight hunting we have now. But anything is possible.


Back when the QDM rage first started, and hunters began targeting does for the first time, I saw some really old does being killed. Now, not so much. Does are now under almost equal pressure as bucks in much of the whitetail's range.
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#3246293 - 05/14/13 01:43 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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In my hunting club (where more female than male deer have been killed annually for many years), most of the does I'm seeing killed are either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old. I believe the reason the more numerous 1 1/2-yr-old doe are not being killed as much is because of concerns of shooting a button buck. Once a doe becomes 2 1/2 or older, she will typically be hard to mistake for a fawn, while 1 1/2's can be harder to discern from button buck fawns. Thus, to avoid accidentally killing buttons, many hunters are avoiding killing fawn & 1 1/2-yr-old yearling females.
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#3246462 - 05/14/13 04:43 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
In my hunting club (where more female than male deer have been killed annually for many years), most of the does I'm seeing killed are either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old. I believe the reason the more numerous 1 1/2-yr-old doe are not being killed as much is because of concerns of shooting a button buck. Once a doe becomes 2 1/2 or older, she will typically be hard to mistake for a fawn, while 1 1/2's can be harder to discern from button buck fawns. Thus, to avoid accidentally killing buttons, many hunters are avoiding killing fawn & 1 1/2-yr-old yearling females.


I agree with that Wes.

Basically, I can easily tell the difference between fawns, yearling does, and does 2 1/2+. But once they reach 2 1/2 or older, doe age can be hard to differentiate.
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#3246467 - 05/14/13 04:47 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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Quite often I'm asked how many does hunters should take from a given property. That question is often very hard to answer. In fact, often the BEST answer is suggesting a generic starting point (say, 1 doe killed for every 100 acres) and then watch the results over time. Over the years, I've come to believe one of the best numbers to watch (if hunters are taking enough does to get a representative sample) is the age of does killed. Often, when too many does are being taken over a number of years, mature does disappear from the harvest. I watch these harvested doe age numbers very carefully. If I see that no mature does are taken over a two or three year period, I tell hunters to back off their doe harvests. If mature does continue to make up a significant percentage of harvested does year after year (20+%), then hunters can increase their doe harvests.
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#3246469 - 05/14/13 04:52 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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And to a large degree, taking an adequate number of doe without over-harvesting is somewhat self-regulating . . . . .
. . . . . . IF you are taking male & female deer in fairly equal numbers AND protecting both button & yearling bucks.

If you're taking significantly more female than male deer, having say something like 20% being 3 1/2 or older in the doe harvest would seem indicative of not over-harvesting.

What is usually not indicative of doe over-harvest is suddenly not seeing many adult doe. More often it is indicative of a combination of adapting to more nocturnal movement and shifting food sources.

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#3249180 - 05/17/13 09:51 PM Re: Did you know deer got this old? [Re: BSK]
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Bsk, i hunted on the first doe hunt in giles county in 1979 and i had never even seen a pie bald deer over there but the old mines there near the golf course were loaded up with deer and i would see as many as 14 does in one group....something i have never seen since......on the first doe hunt i killed one at sunup and she was an old one at that.....but if i remember correctly on that same hunt there were around 6 pie balds turned in over there. I was amazed! i hunted there very often and i thought i would have seen one before that , but never did! I bow hunted there and missed my first 5 or 6 deer i shot at....i just could not judge the correct distance and always seemed to use the "wrong" pin! lol. \:D
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