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#3240633 - 05/06/13 05:24 PM Whats up with Lamar?
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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/may/06/alexander-out-on-limb-over-internet-sales/?local
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#3240844 - 05/06/13 09:17 PM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: eightpointer]
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IF this bill becomes law, and the states buy into it, then the playing field has been drastically tilted in favor of brick-and-mortar retailers.

The advocates of the law try to make it sound like it's no big deal - they internet companies just have to collect sales tax the same as a retail store. One major difference, though: a retail store has to collect sales tax according to one law, the one for the state and county/city the store is located in. This law will require the internet merchant to collect sales tax according to literally hundreds of laws, based on the purchaser's zip code - and that's far more difficult, and far more expensive.

"Fairness?" BULL.
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#3240907 - 05/06/13 11:35 PM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: BMan]
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In all but three states that have no sales tax, we are already supposed to be paying sales taxes on Internet purchases. Therefore, it seems opponents of this measure (and I am one) should not be claiming it is an "additional" tax owed.

My problem with this Bill is two-fold:

First, the additional administrative and cost burdens it will require to just collect and distribute the taxes to the states will be interesting to follow. More bureaucracy for tax collecting does not seem the best way to help fill the states' coffers or spend taxpayers' dollars (to collect taxpayers' dollars).

Second, it seems to me the tax money most folks save thru Internet purchases gets spent in their local communities anyway (food, gas, beer, movies, guns, beer, clothes, church tithes, beer, etc.), so it isn't as though there's a real loss.

There is a legitimate concern about local stores being used as "storefronts" where folks shop to find what they want, then purchase it over the Internet to save $$$. But isn't that what free enterprise is about? Having choices to buy from whomever you wish? Also seems to me that getting some folks off welfare, food stamps, and many, many months of unemployment payments might be a way to free up some already collected tax dollars.
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#3240913 - 05/07/13 12:31 AM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: Monty]
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he is Tennessee's version of John McCain. a card carrying Rino. time to put him on the rd. just making another new tax to try to cover the root of all economic shortfalls- SPENDING MONEY YOU DONT HAVE
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#3241014 - 05/07/13 07:26 AM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
One major difference, though: a retail store has to collect sales tax according to one law, the one for the state and county/city the store is located in. This law will require the internet merchant to collect sales tax according to literally hundreds of laws, based on the purchaser's zip code - and that's far more difficult, and far more expensive.

This will cost the merchant quite a chunk, which will be passed on to the purchaser of goods via raised prices. Not only will you see the tax added, but you will also see prices increased because of regulatory compliance by the online merchants.

Unlike the local merchant dealing with a single tax code, the online merchant will have to comply with 50 different tax codes --- that will be very costly (to figure out, to collect correctly, and to distribute to 50 different states), and this extra cost on top of the tax will be paid by the consumer via higher prices.

Wonder if the tax will also be different not just based on which state, but which county, and which city within a state the consumer resides? Will where the shipment goes also factor in, i.e. I often ship orders to a different address than from where I order?

Tennessee alone has 95 counties, with many cities within a county having a different sales tax rate than other cities. At present, a local "brick & mortar" merchant need only comply with the sales tax rate of his local municipality. By contrast, will an online merchant need to keep up with tens of thousands of different tax rates?

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#3241020 - 05/07/13 07:34 AM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Govt just cannot understand that money confiscated by them is money that doesn't go somewhere else to help fuel an economy and, in return, MORE tax dollars for their coffers.

Govt. greed is near-sighted and all they care about is getting their hands on as much of your money as possible in the fastest way possible.

A LOT of online sales are already done by the brick and mortar stores. Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart etc all sell through their online stores. Who this will hurt most is the small e-bay type businesses. Instead of encouraging small businesses, the Govt. is here again to regulate them out of business while claiming to "Even the field".

Nothing will change until we starve this beast.

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#3241027 - 05/07/13 07:40 AM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Monty
. . . . . the additional administrative and cost burdens it will require to just collect and distribute the taxes . . . . . More bureaucracy for tax collecting does not seem the best way to help fill the states' coffers or spend taxpayers' dollars (to collect taxpayers' dollars).

EXACTLY.
And . . . . . .
Yes, there is a better way . . . . . .
 Originally Posted By: Monty
. . . . . seems to me that getting some folks off welfare, food stamps, and many, many months of unemployment payments might be a way to free up some already collected tax dollars.

It all comes back to the economy.
With economic growth comes a surplus of tax revenue.

In the meantime, current taxes and regulatory compliance are strangling our economy, while the only answer politicians seem to have is to "raise taxes".

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#3241041 - 05/07/13 07:57 AM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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The entire IDEA that government needs to be so well fed has to change.

The prevailing thought is that government must grow. It must be paid for. Programs must be increased.

That MUST change at every level.

Government MUST spend less, cut programs, and set Americans free.
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#3241153 - 05/07/13 09:46 AM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: BMan
One major difference, though: a retail store has to collect sales tax according to one law, the one for the state and county/city the store is located in. This law will require the internet merchant to collect sales tax according to literally hundreds of laws, based on the purchaser's zip code - and that's far more difficult, and far more expensive.

This will cost the merchant quite a chunk, which will be passed on to the purchaser of goods via raised prices. Not only will you see the tax added, but you will also see prices increased because of regulatory compliance by the online merchants.

Unlike the local merchant dealing with a single tax code, the online merchant will have to comply with 50 different tax codes --- that will be very costly (to figure out, to collect correctly, and to distribute to 50 different states), and this extra cost on top of the tax will be paid by the consumer via higher prices.

Wonder if the tax will also be different not just based on which state, but which county, and which city within a state the consumer resides? Will where the shipment goes also factor in, i.e. I often ship orders to a different address than from where I order?

Tennessee alone has 95 counties, with many cities within a county having a different sales tax rate than other cities. At present, a local "brick & mortar" merchant need only comply with the sales tax rate of his local municipality. By contrast, will an online merchant need to keep up with tens of thousands of different tax rates?

That is exactly what I was referring to when I said hundreds of laws. Could be thousands.

The next question is, if a shipper makes a condition of sale FOB seller, can they then just charge the sales tax for the shipper's location? In effect, they've sold the product locally and are just shipping for the new owner.
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#3241280 - 05/07/13 12:15 PM Re: Whats up with Lamar? [Re: BMan]
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In America some believe we have a spending problem while others believe we have a revenue problem. This is another issue that Alexander agrees with the liberals on.

And to add insult to injury he promotes this as a states' right issue that he supports. Almost as patronizing to Tennessee voters as the ridiculous red plaid shirt he sports at campaign events in state.
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