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#3244101 - 05/11/13 12:21 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Boone 58]
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I highly recommend this book called "New Age Bible Versions":

http://www.amazon.com/New-Age-Bible-Vers...+bible+versions

Whatever the case is...the Bible truly fascinates me. It is easy enough that children can understand things of it and read it daily. And yet complex enough that I doubt you could finish getting everything out of it in 10 lifetimes of study and having every PhD of theology and doctrine that you could get in that time. How many times have you read something and passed right over it and never gave it much thought? Then one day you're studying and BAM, something jump out at you from something you've read hundreds of times? That's just how it works. There's something in it for the young Christian...(sincere milk) and there's something in it for the longtime oldtime Christian (meat). It can make a lost person found...give comfort to a dying person...give hope to others....security to others...amazing. A lamp unto my feet and light unto my path.

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#3244195 - 05/11/13 08:42 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
I highly recommend this book called "New Age Bible Versions":

http://www.amazon.com/New-Age-Bible-Vers...+bible+versions


Really? This is akin to the rock n' roll back-tracking or something. The whole Luciferian stuff is so off base that anyone with any knowledge of Hebrew can tell that it is a total farce, as the name "Lucifer" means "star of the morning," as he was a very beautiful angel before being thrown from heaven. This stuff holds no water at all.

 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
Whatever the case is...the Bible truly fascinates me. It is easy enough that children can understand things of it and read it daily. And yet complex enough that I doubt you could finish getting everything out of it in 10 lifetimes of study and having every PhD of theology and doctrine that you could get in that time. How many times have you read something and passed right over it and never gave it much thought? Then one day you're studying and BAM, something jump out at you from something you've read hundreds of times?


I agree with you 100% on this. But the Bible itself says that "you shall find the Truth and the Truth will set you free." The truth is enough and does not need sensationalism to get people to believe it. The history and facts of the Bible speak for themselves and should not be run from, but they show that the Holy Scriptures are accurate and true and will stand the test of time. Before the 1611 KJV there were other versions from other languages, including the Latin Vulgate, taken from the Textus Receptus (majority texts), of which much of the KJV was translated from, making making many parts of it a translation of a translation, not a true translation. With all of this being said, it is accurate and should not be done away with. No one that I have read in this entire thread has suggested that the KJV should be done away with.

I learned much of this through research after being challenged by a KJV thumper who told me that I was going to Hell because I read an NIV, which was not the "original" Authorized 1611 KJV that the good old apostle Paul used to use. Needless to say, he was totally wrong.

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#3244234 - 05/11/13 09:50 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Deer Assassin]
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 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
king james version or nothing IMO

I agree with Crow the other versions are lacking and take out important words


I'm with Crow and DA. Reading a translation other than the KJV can be dangerous. I believe the KJV was divinely inspired and has certainly held up to scrutiny for a few decades.

Notice there is no copyright on the KJV. In order for a translation to be eligible for copyright, it HAS TO DIFFER SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE KJV. Now, I'm not saying every translation has been published with profit as the primary objective, but if I'm applying for a copyright on a product, I know what my motivation would be.

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#3244235 - 05/11/13 09:53 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: farmin68]
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Can't remember which translation it is, but it is one of the most popular ones. A woman who was one of four people involved in the translation confessed to intentionally changing some of her translation (which ended up in circulation) to to suit her women's rights agenda.

KJV for me.
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#3244237 - 05/11/13 09:56 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: Goat]
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 Originally Posted By: Goat
I encourage everyone, believers and non-believers, to read the book "Misquoting Jesus - the Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why" by Bart D. Ehrman.


Can you tell us a little more? You have my attention.
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#3244265 - 05/11/13 11:09 AM Re: Bible Question [Re: farmin68]
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Too bad for the Mandarin chinese I guess
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#3244289 - 05/11/13 12:29 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: PMC, certified]
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Too bad for the Mandarin chinese I guess


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#3244324 - 05/11/13 01:42 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: EastTNHunter]
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EastTnHunter -- I'm taking it you have no clue what the book I recommended is about due to your ignorant comments. Read it before you bash it. What the book shows, is a side by side comparison of verses and words that have been changed and or omitted entirely in comparison to the King James Bible. I didn't start my walk as a saved person with a King James Bible by the way. I didn't know one from the other. I started my journey with an NIV to be honest with you. It wasn't until I began my own studying and begin talking to preachers that helped me along the way that I went to the King James Bible and saw how weak the NIV was in comparison to it. It was a personal conviction of mine that made me shun it.
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#3244346 - 05/11/13 02:35 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: Crow Terminator]
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The statements that I made were based on the description of the book written by the author. I was simply responding to what I read about the agenda that the author of this book was pushing based on the comments written about it, which are very common misrepresentations of the versions other than KJV. The Luciferian argument that he used is weak and shows an obvious ignorance of the scriptures. Also, since he references the "authors" of the other translations (in general), it must be noted that King James, who commissioned the KJV, was not known as a man of high moral quality or Christian virtue, if this makes any difference at all.

The omissions that I am sure that are referred to are a totally different story, and would have to be handled passage by passage, but these do not sacrifice a single foundational doctrine in the scriptures. One would have to have a full-blown discussion of text types and clerical traditions of ancient monks who transcribed the texts by hand to really get into that.

Just curious, do you use the 1611 version of the KJV that includes that apocrypha, as this is the true "authorized" and version and has been removed from all protestant translations.

I appreciate your preference for the KJV, and will not tell you that you are wrong for using it. I just find it hard to stomach when I hear people assume that all new translations are bastardized and change the words to promote an agenda, and that they should not be used. Also, to state that I or any other person is wrong for using another version is wrong will elicit a response, but I stated facts about the history of the KJV, not just a preference. I feel that a Christian should use discernment when choosing which translation to use, and they should not use one that sacrifices a single foundational doctrine of Christianity, and trust me, these versions do exist.



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#3244409 - 05/11/13 05:10 PM Re: Bible Question [Re: EastTNHunter]
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Lucifer - from the latin lux ferro - light bearer. Actually the Hebrew word heylel
Strongs H1966

1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer
a) of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)
2) (TWOT) 'Helel' describing the king of Babylon


An allegory for Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon.

From Isaiah 14

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.

23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts.

24 The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

27 For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.



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