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#3237939 - 05/03/13 09:48 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Lawrence]
muddyboots
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Where were all u guys 5 years ago when I was complaining. Ha Ha. I think the limit should be 2. Hunting for everyone would be better.
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#3237945 - 05/03/13 09:53 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: muddyboots]
woodsman87
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I have been complaining for the five years you have muddyboots. I still believe a lower harvest limit would not have a great effect. It is all about habitit management, and hen mortality. We cannot control weather, but we can improve habitat and keep hen killing minimal during fall and don't bushog until August.

Good hatches is the key.

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#3238040 - 05/03/13 11:29 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: woodsman87]
AT Hiker
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Limit should be lowered for sure, I know too many people that will hunt a farm to death in early season and kill 5-8 toms off it. The next year, they may kill the same or slightly less...third year they complain about not having any good hunting....no sense in trying to explain logic to them. You got a family of three or four that turky hunts and they all want to limit out...thats a lot of birds!

Years when birds split up early seem to be better for my areas, but late season (May) tends to be the worse hunting during those years for obvious reasons. Im fortunate to have a decent flock on our farm during early season, we limit the harvest to 1 or 2 toms out of prob 10, what happens to them when they break up is out of my control. I do this because we are not selfish for one, and two we are optimistic some will survive and make their way back.
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#3238061 - 05/03/13 11:54 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: AT Hiker]
catman529
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Registered: 11/10/10
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Sounds like limits aren't the problem if too many people are hunting the same farm. Maybe the hunters and landowners need to set their own limits. Even with a 2 bird limit you could have 5 guys potentially kill 10 birds off a 100 acre farm for example. I know of one farm in chapel hill that doesn't have many hunters and has tons of acres and is covered in birds. I killed 4 turkeys (tagged out) this year and last spring. Three last spring were public and all four this year were public. I'm not the best hunter, we just have good turkey hunting here. I also killed 6 birds on public last fall. That's on land shared with a lot of other hunters. In counties with low turkey populations maybe the limit should be lowered, like the deer hunting units, but where the population of turkey is booming, I like the generous 4 bird limit and it ain't hurting the hunting here.
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#3238067 - 05/03/13 12:02 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: woodsman87]
Scud
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I didn't see anyone mention that the numbers may be down due to the new check in procedures.

Also, I don't think that lowering the limit would make much of a difference. According to the TWRA website, as of today only 2,261 hunters have killed more than 2 birds. The total turkey population of the state is estimated to be around 300,000, so by lowering the limit to 2 birds, we would have saved the lives of less than 1% of the population.

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#3238083 - 05/03/13 12:28 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: catman529]
Boll Weevil
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
Maybe the hunters and landowners need to set their own limits.

Nailed it (I assume you meant within the law of course). Honestly, I'm not necessarily opposed to the limits or season length so much as I am in favor of we hunters accepting our role in managing the resource. My greatest concern as that we keep bangin'away simply because "The State says I can kill 4" and all the while the population slowly slides downhill. Some regions can't sustain a 4-bird limit while others could probably sustain twice that.

There certainly appears to be places where the population has declined be it due to poor hatches, predators, disease, dramatic changes in habitat, or other factors. The real eye-opener for me when I reviewed the data over time (vs just a year or 2) and over a broader region is that it doesn't appear isolated. I don't know what constitutes a "trend" and when we should be alarmed but it certainly got my attention.

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#3238089 - 05/03/13 12:35 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Scud]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: Scud
I didn't see anyone mention that the numbers may be down due to the new check in procedures.

Also, I don't think that lowering the limit would make much of a difference. According to the TWRA website, as of today only 2,261 hunters have killed more than 2 birds. The total turkey population of the state is estimated to be around 300,000, so by lowering the limit to 2 birds, we would have saved the lives of less than 1% of the population.


Ive been saying this all along. Decreasing the bag limit will only have minimal effect, hardly even noticable
Its all about hatches and habitat.

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#3238108 - 05/03/13 12:59 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: woodsman87]
Spurhunter
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#1 WE NEED UNITS! Maury County can stand 4 bird limits. West TN cannot. It's foolhardy to manage a state as diverse in habitat as TN like it's one farm.

#2 The top turkey biologists in the world did not get that way by being fools! They are not wrong: Hens should not be killed, EVER! Especially 6 in a day!

I have no problem with a 4 bird limit or the long season IF it's done by units or counties. This hunter management stuff is bull. There are guys all over this state bloodthirsty enough to shoot off the limb, kill hens, etc. You think they are going to quit hunting after 2 birds just because the farm doesn't need any more killed? Heck no!
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#3238110 - 05/03/13 01:03 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Boll Weevil]
Spurhunter
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 Originally Posted By: Boll Weevil
 Originally Posted By: catman529
Maybe the hunters and landowners need to set their own limits.

Nailed it


Nope. If you own the farm and only family hunts it, maybe. In a club,lease, or public land (how most of us hunt) no one is going to quit hunting while others are still hunting. Helll, most clubs can't agree on guest rules. Much less voluntarily lowering the limit.
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#3238149 - 05/03/13 02:04 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Spurhunter]
Boll Weevil
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
If you own the farm and only family hunts it, maybe.

Since I own my own place...this is the context in which I was speaking. Dad, brother, and I can make a mutual decision and stick with it. Clubs, leases, and public land are a whole different discussion.

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