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#3238151 - 05/03/13 02:07 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Spurhunter]
woodsman87
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I agree that units would be nice, but I think it would be impossible to do units because where I am from, turkeys shift their ranges with the seasons. Everybody should know that.

On my farm in Giles county, they are no where to be found during the fall, but then by mid march we start seeing gobbler bunches and hens. Then during mid summer, we just see hens with their poults, and gobblers are gone. By September, the hens and poults have moved off to who knows where. Void of turkeys pretty much from september-end of february.

The people doing the research on how to split up the units would have to measure and observe very closely. Each area can be drastically difficult. Northern Giles County is some of the best hunting in the world, while the southern portion is going down yearly. It wouldn't be very feasible to make units because of the drastic differences within the same counties, the migration of birds, and with the research it would take to create these units.

I will stand by this statement, lowering the bag limit will of course save a few gobblers, but it will have a minimal effect on the overall grand scheme of things. 1 gobbler can breed as many hens as he finds, and will do so. That is why at the first of the year they weight 21-22 lbs on average then weigh 17-19lbs by the end of the year.

It is all about habitat management, nesting areas specifically!

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#3238153 - 05/03/13 02:08 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Boll Weevil]
woodsman87
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 Originally Posted By: Boll Weevil
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
If you own the farm and only family hunts it, maybe.

Since I own my own place...this is the context in which I was speaking. Dad, brother, and I can make a mutual decision and stick with it. Clubs, leases, and public land are a whole different discussion.



It also of course depends on how big it is, and if, or how much, pressure on the neighbors.

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#3238649 - 05/04/13 03:59 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: wwa7]
smstone22
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There is a good study that shows some serious detrimental effects to turkey populations when you dont leave something like 30% of adult gobblers in the population. You cant just whack all the 2 yr olds or better and expect to have much the next year.And I do think that happens in more places than I would like to think.
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#3239117 - 05/04/13 09:19 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: smstone22]
SEC
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
There is a good study that shows some serious detrimental effects to turkey populations when you dont leave something like 30% of adult gobblers in the population. You cant just whack all the 2 yr olds or better and expect to have much the next year.And I do think that happens in more places than I would like to think.
I can promise you that is what happens around here. A couple of bad hatches and now all we are hearing are crickets chirping.

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#3239185 - 05/05/13 05:37 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Scud]
Buzzard Breath
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 Originally Posted By: Scud
I didn't see anyone mention that the numbers may be down due to the new check in procedures.

I do know places like Lawrence County has some serious issues with their turkey population, but this has been ongoing for year. I wouldn't think that it would have a big effect when comparing with last years harvest numbers. I do think that with the new check-in procedures, a lot of turkeys arent being checked in. I'm willing to bet the deer harvest numbers will drop this year also.

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#3239215 - 05/05/13 07:00 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Lawrence]
jar
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Why is it we TN guys think we deserve such generous limits and length of our hunting season. I know TWRA has their reasons for being so generous with our Turkey and Deer but I wish they were more conservative. As far as landowners realizing they set lower limits for their property it only takes one landowner to affect a large chunk of land in a negative way. My neighbor down the road killed 7 toms last year between him and his kids this year 2 and not hearing much.
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#3239388 - 05/05/13 11:23 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Boll Weevil]
Boll Weevil
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Question for those that are hearing and seeing fewer birds: Has the landscape changed much in/around the areas you hunt over the last 6 years or so? Has there been much large scale timber logging, large tracts being subdivided, home building activity, tillable ground converted to CRP, or other significant changes in land-use? Anyone in an area with lots of poultry houses where litter/manure is now being spread as fertilizer (and it wasn't in the past)?
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#3239389 - 05/05/13 11:24 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: jar]
Lawrence
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 Originally Posted By: jar
Why is it we TN guys think we deserve such generous limits and length of our hunting season. I know TWRA has their reasons for being so generous with our Turkey and Deer but I wish they were more conservative. As far as landowners realizing they set lower limits for their property it only takes one landowner to affect a large chunk of land in a negative way. My neighbor down the road killed 7 toms last year between him and his kids this year 2 and not hearing much.


I agree 100 percent
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#3239392 - 05/05/13 11:26 AM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: smstone22]
Boll Weevil
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
There is a good study that shows some serious detrimental effects to turkey populations when you dont leave something like 30% of adult gobblers in the population.

I'd be very interested in reading; do you know where I might find this study?

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#3239438 - 05/05/13 12:10 PM Re: 2013 Harvest Comparison [Re: Boll Weevil]
smstone22
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 Originally Posted By: Boll Weevil
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
There is a good study that shows some serious detrimental effects to turkey populations when you dont leave something like 30% of adult gobblers in the population.

I'd be very interested in reading; do you know where I might find this study?


I used to have it saved but dont any more, I think out of Missouri. Ill hunt for it when I get some time.
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