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#3264004 - 06/08/13 02:42 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: knightrider]
TNDeerGuy
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Registered: 11/28/06
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Very well stated Crow! All but one person I know that swear by Rage use these because of the wide margin of error due to the cutting diameter, that they believe makes up for their lack of practice/proficiency with the weapon, which is what your "alot" statement was leaning to if I'm correct in my interpretation of your post—just to clear it up for some \:\) .

knightrider, if they work for you, and I'm glad they do, and you have confidence in them, then by all means use them—I've said it before, and I'll say it again....go with what you have the most confidence in, for that is they key to becoming a successful archer. However, do not discredit those of us that have had and/or seen very bad things from them, or issues that surround the use that we have witnessed—we are entitled to give our negative opinion, and what we have seen, just as much as your entitled to give your side....however fanboyish it is LOL \:D .

This is a public forum, and many open-minded/inexperienced archers may be gathering information and they need the truth from people that have used them—good or bad, so they can come to a conclusion about what equipment they would like to try. In all honesty, it would not hurt my feelings at all if every mechanical broadhead were banned, and just go with the fixed blade heads were it is all in the archers ability—no one has never heard of a fixed blade failing to open, or opening prematurely. \:\)
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#3264014 - 06/08/13 03:03 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: hunter0925]
stik
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Registered: 03/12/99
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 Originally Posted By: hunter0925
Have never lost a deer with a rage and never not had a blood trail that a blind man could follow. I have shot around 20 deer with them, coons, ground hogs, rabbits and squirrels. Only lost sight of 2 deer that I can recall and the only reason I lost sight is because I was in the thick stuff. Good in my book until I have a bad experience with them. Also, only 1 time on a deer that I didn't have a pass through and that was a frontal shot but deer dropped in sight.


the last 3 lost deer I have been in on were hit with a rage.
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#3264150 - 06/08/13 08:18 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: stik]
deerhunter10
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Registered: 08/21/12
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I shoot a whole lot don't shoot to many tournaments but I do consider myself a very serious bow hunter. so I personally I don't think you have a valid argument with that statement. but that's just me though. im I saying they are the best no but every broad head I have shot have there pros and cons. and I have shot a whole lot and tried a whole lot. and its just a matter of finding one that works with your set up and one that you trust. and as of now I trust rage (for now) n.a.p spit fire and the trusty g5 fix blades. but every single broad head out there as a down fall or two. just my two cents. but tndeerguy is right its nice seeing everyone opinion about them. again they haven't failed me but it sure does make me a little worried about them.
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#3264260 - 06/08/13 11:53 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: deerhunter10]
Crow Terminator
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Registered: 10/23/99
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You fanboys are too easy to stir up \:\)

I've been bowhunting for 20+ years. I don't know everything about bows or bow hunting...but I know enough to have podium finished in national 3D tournaments and have ASA and IBO state titles over the yrs. I'm not the most serious but I am way more serious than the average Joe that may shoot a few hundred arrows a year at most.

I've killed deer with Rage broadheads myself. The first one I killed, I was blown away by the gore on the ground. The second one I hit in nearly the same spot, and the blood was spotty at best. Most of the bleeding on that particular deer was internal...the whole chest cavity was filled with blood. Had I not of been decent at tracking a deer via kicked up leaves, hoove prints, etc, I might not have even found it because there were times there was 20+ yards between spots of blood smaller than a dime. The third deer I shot with them is what done me in on them. I hit it a touch high but still in the rib cage under the spine...where all the good stuff is anyway. My bow was 70# draw shooting a 415 total weight arrow...Easton N-Fused Axis shaft in 340 spine. The shot was 17 yards. I watched in amazement as my shaft did not blow through that deer like hot butter. It didn't even drive up to the fletching. Half and half was sticking out when that deer took off. I watched it and listened for it to crash...never heard the crash. I gave it 2 hrs before climbing down. About 40 yards into the tracking job of very small droplets...I found half of my arrow where she had broke it running between two saplings. Long story short. I started tracking this deer at around 11 a.m. or so. I found it about 4:00 that evening after crawling through a clearcut on every deer trail I could find. I found her piled up on the other side of the clearcut near a tree that the tornados had blown down...some 300 yards from my last droplet of blood. I had honestly given up and was trying to find my way back to my stand and not having to go through the clearcut again and saw white belly laying. Here is the pic of the hit. Now you tell me...what would be in this spot, that would hinder 70# and over 400 grns from not blowing right through this deer at 17 yards?



Once again I will leave you with something to ponder on:

I'm friends with the owners of two archery shops locally. Both of them carry the Rage in their stores. They have a choice of anything in the store that they could shoot....of all the brands they carry, they could shoot any of them. Neither of them shoot a Rage. They'll sell them to folks and even give their honest opinion of them to those that ask before hand (both have really negative things to say about them) but you wont ever find one on the end of their arrows during hunting season. Think about that.

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#3264416 - 06/09/13 09:57 AM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: Crow Terminator]
TheAirMan
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I am sure there have some deer lost with a rage that were the broadheads fault. However, I would also guess that on the majority of deer lost shot with rage, the broadhead was not a fault. I would say a lot are a bad shot where the shooter thinks he made a good shot but didn't or really has no idea where he hit the deer and doesn't want to admit to himself and his buddy's that he made a bad shot. So they just blame the head. IMO I would say this is the case with the majority of all deer lost that were who with a mechanical head, not just rage. Also, if a lot of the deer are lost by people who pick up there bow and shoot it a few times before season & go hunting and make a bad shot, that isn't the broadheads fault. As I said before this is my opinion on what the majority of cases is, not all of them.
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#3264583 - 06/09/13 02:39 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: knightrider]
Bootlegger
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Registered: 04/26/13
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For the people who shoot the COC & Chisel tip Rage...do you all not use the shock collars they come with? Just wondering. I did on my Chisel tips and they did very well. The extreme shock collar is all thats on the Hypodermics. I will try them out a few times this year and see how they do. I normally only shoot Muzzy Mx3's. Swhackers if I shoot mechanical heads. I've had great luck from Swhackers....and I only shoot the 1.75" 100gr. ones. I've only been Bow hunting 20 years or so...i'm not a big time tournament shooter, master of disaster deer hunter or anything like that. I just hunt and end of killing about 5 a year or so. I have seen good shots with all kinds of Broadheads and the deer run much farther than you would think and not much blood. The worst heads I have truly had any Bad experience with was those over the top mechanical ones. I think they were called Grim Reapers or something to that nature. I mainly shoot Muzzy & Swhacker. Didn't think this thread would of turned into a bashing not it all type of thing or I wouldn't have posted it...lmao! The way I see it...shoot what works best for you!
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#3265147 - 06/10/13 10:16 AM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: Bootlegger]
Toxophilite Phil
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I have never shot a Rage or any mechanical for that matter. I have helped many hunters track their deer that was shot with a mechanical of some sort. I have yet to find any deer that was shot with a mechanical head. I am not the greatest tracker out there but I have done my share of tracking and like to think of myself as a decent tracker. My opinion of mechanicals is just that "my opinion". I do think that most folks use them are using them for their lack of practice and their lack of having their bow tuned. For me I won't use them, ever. PERIOD.
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#3265166 - 06/10/13 10:35 AM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: Toxophilite Phil]
Crow Terminator
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Registered: 10/23/99
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 Originally Posted By: Toxophilite Phil
I have never shot a Rage or any mechanical for that matter. I have helped many hunters track their deer that was shot with a mechanical of some sort. I have yet to find any deer that was shot with a mechanical head. I am not the greatest tracker out there but I have done my share of tracking and like to think of myself as a decent tracker. My opinion of mechanicals is just that "my opinion". I do think that most folks use them are using them for their lack of practice and their lack of having their bow tuned. For me I won't use them, ever. PERIOD.


Well said!! I'm not the best tracker but I am the guy my buddies will call or text when they need help tracking one. I have a pretty good track record for recovery when they had all but lost hope.

Bad hits are gonna happen with any broadhead you shoot and that's not the point I've been trying to make. All you can do is try to not take iffy shots, and minimize everything on your part that might cause a bad hit. However, it's not the bad hits I'm referring to that make me not a fanboy. It's the pretty good hits that are the eye openers IMO...the ones that if/when you find the deer, they had a horrible blood trail leading to them...that when you get to the deer you're scratching your head wondering why all the bleeding was internal, why the arrow didn't go through nothing but hide, rib bones, and vital organs with a somewhat heavy arrow and plenty of KE. It's so common of a problem that many outfitters wont allow the use of them on their properties...not just Rage but all mechanicals. Rage is just the poster child now because of the fanboy base.

My wife shoots a bow at 38 lbs with a 26.5" draw length. She shot completely through a 1.5 yr old 3 pointer at 25 yards with a Gold Tip Ultralite 600 shaft with an 85 grn Slick Trick on the front. If a 38# bow can do it, a 400+ grain arrow with 70# propelling it ought to not be a problem either when hitting the same area on a broadside deer...especially on a smaller bodied deer.

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#3265386 - 06/10/13 03:18 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: Crow Terminator]
Living2Hunt
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Registered: 12/17/07
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I shoot year round and have a string and cable put on atleast once a year. I use to shoot asa when i was younger and hunt with my bow year round. I use rage for all my hunting. Never one problem! I dont use rage bc it allows to to miss a little. I use rage bc of the quick human kills and blood trails to help me recover the animal. Like i have stated before, every broadhead is made to kill. Shot placement is everything!
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#3265504 - 06/10/13 06:14 PM Re: Rage Hypodermic [Re: Living2Hunt]
Bootlegger
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 Originally Posted By: Living2Hunt
I shoot year round and have a string and cable put on atleast once a year. I use to shoot asa when i was younger and hunt with my bow year round. I use rage for all my hunting. Never one problem! I dont use rage bc it allows to to miss a little. I use rage bc of the quick human kills and blood trails to help me recover the animal. Like i have stated before, every broadhead is made to kill. Shot placement is everything!


Well said...I hunt with Muzzy Mx3's 90% of the time but the one's I have shot with Swhackers and the few with Rage fell over just as fast.
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