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#3235408 - 04/30/13 09:06 AM Done a Trail cam study
dh1984
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I have been doing a trail cam study for about a year now.

I have found out that if you put a IR cam up a tree about 8 to 10 foot off the ground that it won't spook deer.Well low and behold it works but you have to angle it down towards the ground before it will trigger thou.

but i got over 400 pictures within 2 months on one camera but anyway here is a picture of my camera to show you how far off the ground i got mine and it's working like a charm and not spooking the deer.

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#3235443 - 04/30/13 09:47 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: dh1984]
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That is a pretty good idea.
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#3235471 - 04/30/13 10:41 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: deerhunter10]
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Yep. I have found the same thing. I actually put them about 6 feet up, from time to time they will notice it at that height, but I have not had any pics of deer spooking and no indication (that I can tell) of flash avoidance. I put them about 6-7 feet up and angle them down. At that height, you can still get quite a bit of background.
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#3235494 - 04/30/13 11:11 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: pastorbmp]
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How are they spooked by the camera I set mine out and the deer never seem scared in fact I have had deer turkey and coon look right in the camera
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#3235498 - 04/30/13 11:16 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: pseshooter300]
dh1984
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they get spooked by the red glow that some cameras do when taking pictures. i had a few deer spook on a few occasions and never been back.so i done this study with my trail cam and they seem to not be spooked by it now.
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#3235625 - 04/30/13 02:01 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: dh1984]
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Well I been using truth cam's I don't know I guess they have a red light. I heard deer didn't see color. Any truth to that?
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#3235724 - 04/30/13 03:55 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: pseshooter300]
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I don't know yet but i think they can see black and white but we will never know.But i know for sure the red glow will scare deer because i seen some pictures where they was on alert. but i'll keep on the study and find out what scares them and everything.
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#3235859 - 04/30/13 07:39 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: dh1984]
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I have 20 trail cams deployed in multiple States on public and private land. I use a climbing stick, my harness and a lineman's belt to mount them 10 to 12 ft high and angle them down using one of the many trail cam mounts that are available today. Very, very, very rarely have I got a picture of someone who actually looked up and saw the camera. It has probably only happened about 5 or 6 times. It's always when a hunter sees a Trophy Rock and knows there must be a camera around. They keep looking around just above ground level for the camera and sometimes they just walk off, but sometimes they look up and see it. If they want it they will have to put in the effort to come back and climb the tree and cut the cable lock. If I pull a memory card and see that someone has recently seen one of my cameras, then I pull down that camera and relocate it elsewhere. Bottom line is zero thefts in 3 years.

Very rarely a deer or coyote will notice the camera at night when it's on video mode because the red IR flash will stay on for 10 or 30 seconds, depending on how I have the camera set. Most bucks and all coyotes have spooked on the rare occasion when this happens. A doe that notices the camera will typically just stare and bob their heads to try and get a whif of the camera. Most of the time they go back to licking the rock, but sometimes they get uncomfortable and walk off. That is the great thing about video mode over picture mode - you can see how the animals react if they see the camera. The bad thing is it chews up battery life.

The biggest negative about mounting a camera high out of reach and aiming it down is that you lose some of the field of view that you would get if the camera was mounted at a typical 4ft and aimed horizontal to the ground. However, if you are aiming the camera down at a specific site like a Trophy Rock, the loss of view is something you can live with in my opinion.

With all the new black flash cameras that are hitting the market this year at reasonable prices, I think anyone in the market for a new trail camera should consider getting one to avoid this issue of potentially spooking deer with a white or red IR flash.
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#3236099 - 05/01/13 07:26 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: Vermin93]
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dh1984,

As Vermin93 pointed out, placing IR (red glow) cameras high and pointing them down will greatly reduce camera spook and camera avoidance. The big downside to this method is reduced trigger area. In essence, the area where a deer must walk to trigger the camera is then limited to just a spot on the ground instead of the entire field of view of the camera. Now if you are only monitoring a salt lick or feeder or scrape, then the mount high technique works quite well.
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#3236102 - 05/01/13 07:31 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: pseshooter300]
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 Originally Posted By: pseshooter300
How are they spooked by the camera I set mine out and the deer never seem scared in fact I have had deer turkey and coon look right in the camera


Two problems exist with red-glow (and white flash) cameras. One is camera "spook," where deer jump away from the camera flash, and the other is camera "avoidance," where once the deer have seen the camera flash they don't return to the area. Camera avoidance is by far the biggest problem, as most camera users don't have the luxury of constantly moving their cameras to overcome the problem of deer avoiding the cameras (and it is very difficult to convince some users that camera avoidance is occurring UNTIL that user tries a black-flash camera and sees the difference in number of pictures and repeat visits by the same deer).
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#3236104 - 05/01/13 07:34 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: pseshooter300]
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 Originally Posted By: pseshooter300
Well I been using truth cam's I don't know I guess they have a red light. I heard deer didn't see color. Any truth to that?


No. Deer are not colorblind. Deer have an excellent ability to see colors in the shorter wavelengths, such as blues and greens, and even ultraviolet--even better than a human--but their ability to see the longest wavelengths, oranges and reds, is not as good as a human's.
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#3236171 - 05/01/13 09:13 AM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: BSK]
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Maybe the reason I don't get anything ever on camera. I always thought the sound may spook them, but i guess it could be both sound and the red light. I always have my cameras over salt/minerals in the summer or over food plots during fall/ winter.
I always get does, fawns, and small bucks but never bucks I would consider shooting.

Maybe I should quit using them so that the deer will come out in my food plots and salt licks so that I can shoot them.



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#3236319 - 05/01/13 12:43 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
Maybe the reason I don't get anything ever on camera. I always thought the sound may spook them, but i guess it could be both sound and the red light. I always have my cameras over salt/minerals in the summer or over food plots during fall/ winter.
I always get does, fawns, and small bucks but never bucks I would consider shooting.

Maybe I should quit using them so that the deer will come out in my food plots and salt licks so that I can shoot them.



I have one lousy black flash camera by Hunten that makes an audible noise when it triggers. When I have it in video mode I can clearly see that the deer are alerted by the noise. This camera was basically a waste of money because even though deer can't see it initially, once they hear it they see it and then they are gone and many of them don't come back.
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#3236337 - 05/01/13 01:18 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: woodsman87]
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 Originally Posted By: woodsman87
Maybe the reason I don't get anything ever on camera. I always thought the sound may spook them, but i guess it could be both sound and the red light. I always have my cameras over salt/minerals in the summer or over food plots during fall/ winter.
I always get does, fawns, and small bucks but never bucks I would consider shooting.

Maybe I should quit using them so that the deer will come out in my food plots and salt licks so that I can shoot them.



Some cameras produce an audible "clunk" when they trigger as the night filter moves over the camera's lens. This absolutely can spook deer.

As for not using cams, if you use cams that 1) don't have an audible clunk or only switch to night filter once each night, and 2) are black-flash, you won't have problems with deer being spooked by the camera and avoiding the area.

Although don't forget human scent around the camera itself. Not being careful about human scent when setting up and checking the camera can easily leave enough scent in the area to cause hunter-wary deer to avoid the location.

But all that said, don't think it's impossible to use cameras without driving hunter-wary deer away from the area. I often have cameras very near if not directly in my hunting set-ups, and I can get the same mature bucks to come back over and over again to that location, even though I check my cameras weekly. But I only use quiet black-flash cameras and I'm careful about my scent when setting up and checking the cameras.
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#3236446 - 05/01/13 04:08 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: BSK]
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As an addition to my above post, it doesn't take going to extremes to keep human scent to a minimum around cameras. The two practices I follow that really seem to help are: 1) wearing a cheap plastic-type rain suit while visiting cameras (holds scent in and doesn't allow scents to stick to the outer clothing layer), and 2) not walking but riding an ATV right up to cameras. Riding an ATV or driving a vehicle right up to the camera appears to eliminate much of scent-based camera avoidance. WALKING trails leading to cameras really seems to produce the most scent-based camera avoidance, and from what I've seen, the farther you have to walk, the greater the avoidance produced.
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#3236497 - 05/01/13 05:23 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
dh1984,

As Vermin93 pointed out, placing IR (red glow) cameras high and pointing them down will greatly reduce camera spook and camera avoidance. The big downside to this method is reduced trigger area. In essence, the area where a deer must walk to trigger the camera is then limited to just a spot on the ground instead of the entire field of view of the camera. Now if you are only monitoring a salt lick or feeder or scrape, then the mount high technique works quite well.


yeah i know. but i caught a guy on a Atv riding in front of my one trail cam so i figure i would put it up high and lock it to the tree to keep it from getting gone. but anyway i seen on my camera it's self that some deer was trying to stay care of it and plus every time it takes a pictures they seem to be on alert alot.
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#3236622 - 05/01/13 07:41 PM Re: Done a Trail cam study [Re: dh1984]
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Good info
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