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#3233692 - 04/28/13 09:26 AM Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon
citico_tim
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The democrats have created another bubble which like the housing bubble is about to burst. This time it is student loans. For perspective, there is more money tied up in outstanding student loans than all the credit card debt in this country, over a trillion.

And like the housing bubble it was created by allowing the gubmint to guarantee student loans with no oversight of the borrower's ability to pay it off. Young Americans have been seduced into borrowing amounts they can never pay off. One anecdotal report has a woman owing over $250,000 in order to get a degree in Social Work, so she can "help society." She will never pay it off.

What you may not know is that in 2009 Obama and the Dems took control of student loans from those evil bankers and we are on the hook for billions, or more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405154157021052.html


So now we are finding that they are so risky that no one will buy them from Sallie Mae which pulled its latest offering after two weeks. Is another bubble is about to burst?


http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/w...ked-securities/

PS - I guess it is saps like me that put my kids through college with our own savings. Now I will probably get to pay for that girl's degree in Social Work too.
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#3233698 - 04/28/13 09:39 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: citico_tim]
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Not until the those who pay taxes have had enough will they stop, "Go Galt" and refuse to fund these leeches will anything change.

If you are not paying taxes, you SHOULD NOT VOTE.

PERIOD.

Until that changes, there will never again be a majority from those funding these ridiculous social programs. Those paying are simply outnumbered by those taking. We are expected to fund silently. If we speak up, we are labeled racists, extremists or idiots. Insults aside, we are expected to keep funding and supporting those who ridicule us.

Cancel your cable
LIve frugal lifestyle
Avoid (legally) paying any taxes you can. sales, local state federal etc.
Stop donating to college indoctrination centers.
Home school
etc.
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#3233699 - 04/28/13 09:53 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Crappie Luck]
citico_tim
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Roger, I have gone Galt to a great extent. But I am trying to balance it with simply enjoying life. What is hard is to force it on my kids. Do we deny them the things in life we have enjoyed? Or do we in effect punish them knowing they're going to have to pay off the gubmint debt incurred by others? In effect making them pay twice?

Personally I am conflicted between emphasizing responsibility or just encouraging them to take the same free ride the irresponsible are taking. Why not just take the "free stuff" since they are going to end up paying for it anyway? Truth is, my kids won't take the "free stuff" and that is their own decision. I am proud of them.
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#3233705 - 04/28/13 10:08 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: citico_tim]
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I'm with you. There is a balance between dropping out and falling down.

We've dropped cable, we've paid off all our debt (excluding home/land) but are making double payments on that debt to kill it ASAP.

We still enjoy life but we're selective about where we place our dollars.

I had considered adding another paragraph to my last post about "collecting on payments made". Meaning, you paid for these programs, sign up for every one of them you can. USE what you have funded and, at the same time, drain the system. Use Cloward - Piven to your own agenda. The Theory works both ways.

Burn that candle at both ends, restrict funding and expand demand. Make big Govt. a calorie deficient program and starve it to death.

One way or another, the social programs have to end. I say, end it on our terms, not theirs"
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#3233710 - 04/28/13 10:20 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I just wrote a check last week for 10k and paid off my student loan. Nice to have it paid, but it wouldn't feel as much like wasted money if I had finished my degree!
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#3233878 - 04/28/13 03:32 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Mudbone]
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Dave Ramsey was screaming bloody murder on this at the same time the housing bubble was going on several years ago.
The media ignored him.
Now it's politically beneficial, they pay attention.

It's all manufactured.
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#3234078 - 04/28/13 07:34 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: sgtwebb1]
fishboy1
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Its funny how old school conservative (personal) fiscal policy is now Going Gault or shrugging out.

With blessings from above, next week we will be out from under the modern idea of success.

We are closing the door on a past life under the liberal/keynesian illusion of utopia... lots of debt, living beyond your means, playing the social climber role.

Yeah, our lifestyle will take a hit, but we will be able to BUILD our own security moving forward.

If you carefully examine the role of the central banks/fannie/freddie over the course of the past 100 years or so, you will begin to understand that it is legalized looting.

Study the economics behind inflation, banking, and fiat currency and you will be overwhelmed with the glaring fact that we would ALL be better off if we had stuck with the old ways.
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#3234139 - 04/28/13 08:11 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: fishboy1]
farmin68
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1


With blessings from above, next week we will be out from under the modern idea of success.

We are closing the door on a past life under the liberal/keynesian illusion of utopia... lots of debt, living beyond your means, playing the social climber role.

Yeah, our lifestyle will take a hit, but we will be able to BUILD our own security moving forward.




Can you elaborate some more on this? Are you talking about you and your family or our government? I think I'm missing something.
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#3234326 - 04/29/13 06:22 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: farmin68]
fishboy1
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Farmin,
Our family. We have radically changed our economic profile to eliminate debt. I can't predict the future but all historical indications point to a very bad economic time coming.

When you have Zero debt and low overhead, you avoid much of the squeeze bad economic policy puts on you.

If you loose your high paying job, you can get by much easier by cutting your lifestyle and fill in the holes with part time work.

Many luxury purchases have been put off or scrapped all together.
This low overhead lifestyle gives us flexibility and peace of mind. If things go into the tank, we wont have a huge monthly overhead to meet and can see what is still profitable in the market place. Then start a new small business in the functioning section of the economy.

I have no idea how to get out from under the iron boot of governments bad fiscal policy. Just trying to get in between the treads when the other shoe drops.
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#3234334 - 04/29/13 06:49 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
Farmin,
Our family. We have radically changed our economic profile to eliminate debt. I can't predict the future but all historical indications point to a very bad economic time coming.

When you have Zero debt and low overhead, you avoid much of the squeeze bad economic policy puts on you.

If you loose your high paying job, you can get by much easier by cutting your lifestyle and fill in the holes with part time work.

Many luxury purchases have been put off or scrapped all together.
This low overhead lifestyle gives us flexibility and peace of mind. If things go into the tank, we wont have a huge monthly overhead to meet and can see what is still profitable in the market place. Then start a new small business in the functioning section of the economy.

I have no idea how to get out from under the iron boot of governments bad fiscal policy. Just trying to get in between the treads when the other shoe drops.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS!!!!

Once I got out of debt years ago everything became EASIER.

I could now focus on making money and NOT just paying bills. You just focus on business and it all works out and then you can have your "luxuries" at any time rather than "must have, right now".
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#3234435 - 04/29/13 08:48 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Wildcat]
fishboy1
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Something else to ponder.

"if see a truck coming you get out of the road".

Pulled all IRA money OUT of the market. Gambling is fun when you have excess money to loose. Gambling SUCKS when you DO lose.
Again, history indicates bad times ahead for the stock market.
study the market machinery and you will realize that the house always wins, even when paying out a jackpot. Note//// WE ain't the house.

There are much safer and better places to put your hard earned money to grow for retirement. We have falsely been led to believe that we HAVE To put money in the government approved retirement boondoggle or we are missing out! Invest today!!!

How about you SAVE money every paycheck until you identify a SOLID investment opportunity that you KNOW, UNDERSTAND, and CONTROL ? THEN put your money to work and watch over it like it was your child.
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#3234467 - 04/29/13 09:04 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Crappie Luck]
Still-n-Quiet
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

Cancel your cable


Check.

 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

LIve frugal lifestyle


Check.

 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

Avoid (legally) paying any taxes you can. sales, local state federal etc.


Check.

 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

Stop donating to college indoctrination centers.


Check.

 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

Home school


Check.

Guess we're doing alright.
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#3234468 - 04/29/13 09:04 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: fishboy1]
Wildcat
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
Something else to ponder.

"if see a truck coming you get out of the road".

Pulled all IRA money OUT of the market. Gambling is fun when you have excess money to loose. Gambling SUCKS when you DO lose.
Again, history indicates bad times ahead for the stock market.
study the market machinery and you will realize that the house always wins, even when paying out a jackpot. Note//// WE ain't the house.

There are much safer and better places to put your hard earned money to grow for retirement. We have falsely been led to believe that we HAVE To put money in the government approved retirement boondoggle or we are missing out! Invest today!!!

How about you SAVE money every paycheck until you identify a SOLID investment opportunity that you KNOW, UNDERSTAND, and CONTROL ? THEN put your money to work and watch over it like it was your child.


That will NEVER happen to the ones that only look at the net end of their paycheck and not the gross part. They HAVE to have the govt telling them what to do and to do it for them.
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#3234475 - 04/29/13 09:08 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Wildcat]
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-29/student-loan-bubble-cracks-pulled-sallie-mae-bond-deal
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#3234484 - 04/29/13 09:17 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: OHVATN]
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-28...t-important-man

Long article, but a must read. This is who calls the shots. All of our angst over second amendment, gay marriage, abortion, war on terror, etc. etc. are just sideshows and part of the bread and circuses the true power use or take advantage of to distract us. When did the coup happen? It wasn't 2008, it was much earlier. 1913? 1933? 1963? 1971? Not sure. The boiling frog analogy I think and we are the frogs and the water is reaching boiling. Getting out of debt, simplifying the lifestyle, going Galt, all of it is the only way to get out of the pot.

Trying very hard to get out of debt. So easy to get into, long and hard struggle to get out. But making progress. Wish I could get the wife fully on board. She understands and comprehends. We both have made great strides, but that consumerist lifestyle is like heroin with drug pushers harrassing you 24/7.
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#3234775 - 04/29/13 02:25 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: OHVATN]
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Like the mortgage crisis, those that pay their bills on time are punished while the irresponsible get out of their debts.

Gotta stick it to the responsible ones in this society!
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#3234857 - 04/29/13 04:10 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: de novo]
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Of course. People who rack up debt, don't pay their bills and live off of other people's ambition and drive are "less fortunate" that those who work, pay and provide.
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#3234940 - 04/29/13 05:42 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Crappie Luck]
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That's what happens when we have a culture that rewards bad choices and penalizes good ones.
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#3234973 - 04/29/13 06:18 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: BMan]
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Sooner or later those who have paid are going to demand a return on their investment from those who have done nothing but TAKE.

I have plenty they can do around the farm here.
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#3234987 - 04/29/13 06:38 PM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: Crappie Luck]
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yep, I'm betting most of them will run out of money and supplies before we do.
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#3235349 - 04/30/13 07:31 AM Re: Another fiscal "crisis" on the horizon [Re: dr]
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OR you could do the government strategy. AKA the criminal moocher plan... (not recommended)

Borrow every dime you can, sign up for every single program possible..... Milk it as hard as you can and stash it away.
Keep some assets around for them to Repo.

As the SHTF, be the first to declare bankruptcy BEFORE they make it illegal. Then live off your hoarded wealth.
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