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#3227733 - 04/21/13 09:06 AM Another bomber thread
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Ok I have seen, heard or read where the second piece of trash may not have been read his miranda rights when he was taken into custody.

He was allegedly responsible for part of the bombings.
He was holed up and shooting at police.

He may or may not have been concious at the time he was taken into custody.

Will he be turned loose because of this?
Should he be ?
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#3227734 - 04/21/13 09:11 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: RUGER]
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Na,I say they will declare him a enemy combatant..Which is kinda scary in itself.This guy was an American citizen,so now all the govt has to do is declare a person a enemy combatant and just like that all your rights go bye bye..
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#3227742 - 04/21/13 09:25 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: cecil30-30]
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won't make a difference in this case I don't think
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#3227745 - 04/21/13 09:29 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: easy45]
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turn him loose ... make it public knowledge when and where they do it ... watch what happens
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#3227756 - 04/21/13 09:53 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: Eric Kilby]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
turn him loose ... make it public knowledge when and where they do it ... watch what happens


Best idea I have heard in a long time.

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#3227760 - 04/21/13 09:58 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Ok I have seen, heard or read where the second piece of trash may not have been read his miranda rights when he was taken into custody.

He was allegedly responsible for part of the bombings.
He was holed up and shooting at police.

He may or may not have been concious at the time he was taken into custody.

Will he be turned loose because of this?
Should he be ?



The police do not have to read you your rights when they arrest you. It would just make anything you say after they detain you inadmissible in court. I would not fear that the guy will be released at all.

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#3227764 - 04/21/13 10:03 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: waynesworld]
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Turn him loose. In a rural Southern state. In the middle of the woods with a bunch of turkey hunters. If he can get out, he can go home.

Edited by moondawg (04/21/13 12:02 PM)
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#3227768 - 04/21/13 10:11 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: waynesworld]
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Not an expert in all the legal stuff.

Best of my knowledge, feds can detain indefinitely if terrorist related. Possibly sent to Gitmo if determined to be an enemy combatant. No miranda needed.
Otherwise, the feds can try him in a civilian trial like the gov't has been doing lately with terrorists.

Some believe water-boarding is just a little to extreme for guys like this.
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#3227771 - 04/21/13 10:16 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: preds1]
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There's a huge legal difference between "arrest" and "custody or detained".

He has not been arrested. If he is, Holders dept of justice will assign him an attorney and we will no longer be able to get information from him.
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#3227775 - 04/21/13 10:28 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
Not an expert in all the legal stuff.

Best of my knowledge, feds can detain indefinitely if terrorist related. Possibly sent to Gitmo if determined to be an enemy combatant. No miranda needed.
Otherwise, the feds can try him in a civilian trial like the gov't has been doing lately with terrorists.

Some believe water-boarding is just a little to extreme for guys like this.


this is correct and the police can forgo reading them if public safety is in jeopardy.
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#3227797 - 04/21/13 10:55 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: Bone Collector]
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In any regular criminal case, the remedy for failure to warn of Miranda rights is not to throw out the case, but to exclude the statements that were provided without warning. They have plenty of evidence to prosecute him here without his statements. He was shooting at the police they could have killed him. The intent is to inteview him for intelligence, not just for sake of prosecution.
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#3227800 - 04/21/13 11:06 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: pass-thru]
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I for one would like to see a legal procedure for determining a US citizen to be declared "enemy combatant" written into law, voted on, and passed.

It should REQUIRE a court hearing with evidence presented and the accused given an attorney to refute the evidence. This is NOT a full trial, simply a hearing by a judge to determine IF the government has cause to deny a citizen of their traditional rights.

As it stands (as I understand it) somebody in the government simply declares someone to be an "enemy combatant" and whooosh! the Constitution is suspended, and the person can be thrown into a gulag, jailed for years with no legal recourse or contact with ANYBODY in the outside world, given over to a foreign power without any due process, etc...

Basically the government can turn you into Edmond Dantès from the Count of Monte Cristo ( book/movie reference ) with no checks, balances, or legal recourse. THAT scares me a hel1 of a lot more than some Muslim wack job with an exploding crock pot.
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#3227819 - 04/21/13 11:28 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: fishboy1]
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I got a question number 4 or maybe 5 ? Big bro number 1 was driving expensive cars , wearing expensive clothes , etc College for one or both ,, I have not heard one word about either having a job ? Someone had to be giving them money ! Sure as heck hope it wasn't us taxpayers on one of our entitlement programs ! If not who was fronting them the $$ ?
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#3227829 - 04/21/13 11:45 AM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: SALTMAN]
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Big bro was given his US citizenship on Sept. 11th of last year.

Technically, he would've been granted every constitutional right of someone born in
Iowa, Colorado, or any other state.

I'd hate to be the one responsible for making that call on citizenship.


Edited by preds1 (04/21/13 11:47 AM)
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#3227862 - 04/21/13 12:45 PM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: Bone Collector]
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just shoot him and save us all alot of money
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#3227864 - 04/21/13 12:45 PM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: LA man]
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#3227919 - 04/21/13 02:13 PM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: LA man]
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I believe if they determine he may have info about anything that could compromise the safety of other people they can do what they want US citizen or not.
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#3227960 - 04/21/13 04:03 PM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: mr.big]
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It's pretty bad that he was granted citizenship after Russia called and warned the US about him. How bad would you need to be for a country to call and tell another country to keep an eye on you? Jeez
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#3228113 - 04/21/13 07:44 PM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: Bone Collector]
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Turn him loose then....

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#3228123 - 04/21/13 07:48 PM Re: Another bomber thread [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Ok I have seen, heard or read where the second piece of trash may not have been read his miranda rights when he was taken into custody.

He was allegedly responsible for part of the bombings.
He was holed up and shooting at police.

He may or may not have been concious at the time he was taken into custody.

Will he be turned loose because of this?
Should he be ?

Non of the above... With what has happen and the bigger picture. LEO isn't worried about miranda.

It's more importsnt to find out if there is a bigger problem out there.... \:\)


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