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#3226644 - 04/19/13 03:42 PM Boston suspects "framed"
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I wonder what the father's TnDeer user name is.

The father of the Boston bombing suspects alleged Friday that his sons were framed for the attack upon the city's marathon earlier this week.

"Somebody clearly framed them," he said in an interview that aired on Fox News. "I don't know who exactly but they did. They framed them and then they were so coward live they shot the boy dead. There are policemen like that


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boston-suspects-father-somebody-clearly-framed-them
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#3226676 - 04/19/13 04:07 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: Bambi Buster]
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They weren't framed, but I don't believe they acted alone either.
I don't believe anything this admim. says.
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#3227866 - 04/21/13 12:53 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: dr]
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BB, the world is turned upside down, again. I trust your judgment, but the FBI doesn't look good in this, or at least parts of it. I don't for a second think this is a False Flag. I am thinking that possibly the Obama admin has reconstructed the Jamie Gorelick "wall" between intelligence and law enforcement. Either that or someone dropped the ball, big time. Probably from the top down, ie the White House. The fish rots from the head.

If in fact they did drop the ball, Obama will throw someone in the FBI under the bus. I sincerely hope others come forth and let the truth be known. But there are too many open questions for this one not to be FUBAR. IMHO, this is not the FBI's finest moment and we need to know why an agency with such an impeccable background let this guy slip through their fingers.
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#3227874 - 04/21/13 01:04 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: citico_tim]
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I think it's pretty clear by now that they weren't framed. I also think it's pretty clear by now that the federal government should have had them deported years ago, but for whatever reason they didn't. Now they look like idiots for not doing so. Government incompetence should never surprise anyone. It will be interesting to see how the feds keep from looking any worse than they already do over this.
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#3227875 - 04/21/13 01:06 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: citico_tim]
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 Originally Posted By: citico_tim
BB, the world is turned upside down, again. I trust your judgment, but the FBI doesn't look good in this, or at least parts of it. I don't for a second think this is a False Flag. I am thinking that possibly the Obama admin has reconstructed the Jamie Gorelick "wall" between intelligence and law enforcement. Either that or someone dropped the ball, big time. Probably from the top down, ie the White House. The fish rots from the head.

If in fact they did drop the ball, Obama will throw someone in the FBI under the bus. I sincerely hope others come forth and let the truth be known. But there are too many open questions for this one not to be FUBAR. IMHO, this is not the FBI's finest moment and we need to know why an agency with such an impeccable background let this guy slip through their fingers.


I concur with all of your points above. See my post (link below) on the same topic from a couple of days ago. Subsequent developments and revelations make our suspicions even more valid.

http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthre...rue#Post3226822
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#3227876 - 04/21/13 01:08 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
I think it's pretty clear by now that they weren't framed. I also think it's pretty clear by now that the federal government should have had them deported years ago, but for whatever reason they didn't. Now they look like idiots for not doing so. Government incompetence should never surprise anyone. It will be interesting to see how the feds keep from looking any worse than they already do over this.


More true than most could possibly imagine. Ego trips also play a role.
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#3227884 - 04/21/13 01:20 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: Bambi Buster]
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There is more coming out hourly, much first breaking in the British press. Since there has been so much wrongly reported I am holding my tongue. But something just doesn't add up. We know they were interviewed after being tipped off by Russia. But from what I am reading, their radicalization was well under way when the one was interviewed. Even their mother stated they were becoming "religious" 5 years ago. And it has never been secret that Chechnyans have been fighting "jihad" for a long time. If I am not mistaken we have fought them in both Iraq and Afghanistan. So when you put the Russian tip together with the bomber's trip to Chechnya one would think that red flags should have gone up. They obviously didn't. And we need to know why.
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#3227889 - 04/21/13 01:25 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: citico_tim]
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 Originally Posted By: citico_tim
There is more coming out hourly, much first breaking in the British press. Since there has been so much wrongly reported I am holding my tongue. But something just doesn't add up. We know they were interviewed after being tipped off by Russia. But from what I am reading, their radicalization was well under way when the one was interviewed. Even their mother stated they were becoming "religious" 5 years ago. And it has never been secret that Chechnyans have been fighting "jihad" for a long time. If I am not mistaken we have fought them in both Iraq and Afghanistan. So when you put the Russian tip together with the bomber's trip to Chechnya one would think that red flags should have gone up. They obviously didn't. And we need to know why.


Again, I concur on all your points. To clarify my position further, I'll say that "framed" (blamed for something someone else did) is out of the question. "Used," either knowingly or unknowingly, is not at all outside the realm of possibility at this juncture. A lot of people in the Justice Department are very busy right now trying to cover their tracks (and their asses).
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#3227894 - 04/21/13 01:35 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Yep, and I think it is going to get worse:

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/04/19/obama-losing-control-of-middle-east-policy/


I think I see Humpty Dumpty about to fall. And it is going to take years, and a lot of tragedy, to piece it back together again.
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#3227903 - 04/21/13 01:53 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: citico_tim]
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It is not a stretch of the imagination to see how events like these can be used by a government to help an agenda.

People have always had the ability to justify the death of some innocents if it helped their cause. People in power who possess information about troubled people can simply provide them an opportunity to do what they want and never be implicated for what happened. I believe Lincoln was a victim of that for his refusal to let powerful Northern interests from going into the south and taking the "spoils". A few days later an assassin, with personal information about the president found an opportunity. Given the fact he was southern feed the fire the powerful wanted, a man sympathetic with the powerful elected and the south raped.

Hitler did the same with the burning of the Reichstag. Shortly there after he was given all authority and promised he would only use that power given him in extreme circumstances to keep the people safe. Our government wants that same power and I have heard the President use almost the same language in asking for more authority.



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#3227937 - 04/21/13 02:59 PM Re: Boston suspects "framed" [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
I think it's pretty clear by now that they weren't framed. I also think it's pretty clear by now that the federal government should have had them deported years ago, but for whatever reason they didn't. Now they look like idiots for not doing so. Government incompetence should never surprise anyone. It will be interesting to see how the feds keep from looking any worse than they already do over this.


More true than most could possibly imagine. Ego trips also play a role.

I'm beginning to suspect they knew about their ties, but INTENTIONALLY allowed them to remain in this country. After all, we were told by odingo to reach out to muslims, the religion of peace. And odingo's buddy Bill Ayers is a free man, and getting paid to teach his socialist agenda in colleges across the nation. Maybe the one in the white house is an accomplice.
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