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#3219611 - 04/11/13 04:14 PM Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders
Rubberduck270
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With all these different threads going on about the latest smokeless builds, we need one to group them all together.

Post a pic of your smokeless rig and tell us your load info.
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#3219612 - 04/11/13 04:15 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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I'll start...

H&R 45-70 Ultra Hunter Conversion. Minox ZA3 3-9x40 BDC in Burris Signature Low rings. 62 grs. H4198 pushing a 200 gr. Hornady SST in a Harvester Light Blue Sabot. Federal 209A primers.
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#3219647 - 04/11/13 04:44 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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I will mine tomorrow or saturday,I ordered a laminate stock from Luke,for my savage/pacnor..Should definatly increase the sexy factor..

Edited by cecil30-30 (04/11/13 04:44 PM)
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#3219760 - 04/11/13 06:32 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: cecil30-30]
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All of mine are Remi 700's with McGowen .45 barrels, all shoot 62 grains of H-4198, Harvester light blue sabots and Barnes 195's, or if I choose sabotless they all shoot 65 grains of H-4198 and the Parker 275 Ballistic Extremes.

This is "Black Betty", present for my 12 year old son last Christmas




This is "Envy".





This is "Ug".


Ug in the middle of this pack of SML's


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#3219765 - 04/11/13 06:38 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Howa]
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Here's a few more that I've gotten rid of over the years

Savage .50



Savage .45 Pac-Nor


Encore Pro-Hunter .45/70 conversion
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#3219799 - 04/11/13 07:12 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Howa]
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I was hopin Howa would chime in....Very nice sir

Nice H&R as well rubberduck.


Edited by fullstream (04/11/13 07:12 PM)

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#3219833 - 04/11/13 07:41 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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Here is my CVA stalker 45-70 w/ nikon 4.5-14x40
shoots 195gn barnes w/ 60 gns of n120 was knurlin bullets w/ light blue harvestor but gonna try some tan mmp's 2550-2575fps


Here is my encore 45-70 w/ Nikon 4-12x40
shooting 200 sst's w/ 60 gns n120 light blue harvestor 2670-2690 fps


here is my savage 50 I just sold this week


should have #3 .45 done in a couple weeks, I am a smokelessaholic....


Edited by fullstream (04/11/13 07:46 PM)

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#3219893 - 04/11/13 08:34 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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Encore Pro Hunter w/ TC custom shop 45/70 conversion topped w/ a Redfield Revolution. I bought the barrel from Howa around the first of the year. I shot it in Feb and currently shooting 60 grs of H4198 w/ 195 Barnes and light blue harvester sabot. I am impressed so far and can't wait to try it out on a deer.
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#3219894 - 04/11/13 08:35 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: TN Larry]
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Nice guns BTW guys! I love the looks of that H&R ultra.
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#3219958 - 04/11/13 09:48 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: TN Larry]
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CVA Apex - plan on shooting 60gr h4198 195 Barnes and light blue harvester. Time will tell....

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#3220808 - 04/12/13 09:47 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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The top 2 sport custom Rayhill stocks.The top one is a custom .50 cal.Solid 300 yd MOA rifle. The second is a Pac-nor .45. It is my beanfield rifle. I just finished a Laminated .45 Pac-nor for my son and will post that pic later.They all sport Zeiss Conquest.


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#3220862 - 04/12/13 11:17 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tar12]
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Very nice sir.
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#3222128 - 04/14/13 09:38 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tenn.Guy]
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all these are nice guns
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#3224933 - 04/17/13 09:09 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3224914&page=1#Post3224914
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#3226564 - 04/19/13 01:36 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tenn.Guy]
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Fullstream, how does that rifle shoot for you and what is the twist?

I looked at converting one but someone told me the twist wasn't good for a MZ. If I got some bad info I want to convert one like yours BAD.
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#3227467 - 04/20/13 08:28 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: TX300mag]
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Late but as promised. This is a Sav/Pac .45 that I put together for my son.Bedded,third pillar,and Rossmans machined/knurled quick bolt release screw. It is sporting a 3x9x40 Zeiss Conquest.I also installed a Savage Target spring in the trigger assembly. A must have for a light touch as it will improve long range accuracy.Typical of all Pacnor barrels she shoots lights out!




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#3227489 - 04/20/13 08:50 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Fullstream, how does that rifle shoot for you and what is the twist?

I looked at converting one but someone told me the twist wasn't good for a MZ. If I got some bad info I want to convert one like yours BAD.

You got some bad info. Both the CVA Stalker and the 45/70 Govt Encore twist rates are 1-20. No one that I know of has had any trouble getting them to shoot and shoot well.On the other extreme a 1-32 twist custom Douglas barrel on my buds Encore shoots lights out with 60 grn of Vit N120,290 grn barnes TMZ. This is a .50 cal mind you.

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#3227606 - 04/20/13 11:37 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tar12]
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#3227769 - 04/21/13 10:13 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tar12]
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Fullstream, how does that rifle shoot for you and what is the twist?

I looked at converting one but someone told me the twist wasn't good for a MZ. If I got some bad info I want to convert one like yours BAD.

You got some bad info. Both the CVA Stalker and the 45/70 Govt Encore twist rates are 1-20. No one that I know of has had any trouble getting them to shoot and shoot well.On the other extreme a 1-32 twist custom Douglas barrel on my buds Encore shoots lights out with 60 grn of Vit N120,290 grn barnes TMZ. This is a .50 cal mind you.


Thanks Tar12! I'm happy to hear that. Since it's fairly budget friendly I think I'll bump this "want" up above the Savage 220 in priority.
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#3228087 - 04/21/13 07:18 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: WGK]
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 Originally Posted By: WGK
I had no idea ML had evolved so much.

They have indeed evolved.With many areas around the country only allowing shotgun/muzzle loaders it was only a matter time. 3,000 fps has already been achieved safely. Many of the smokeless MLs will outperform center fires in both accuracy and terminal performance.Most settle for loads in the 2500-2700 fps range. Hold on hair to 300 yds.It aint grandads smokepole!

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#3228497 - 04/22/13 09:40 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Fullstream, how does that rifle shoot for you and what is the twist?

I looked at converting one but someone told me the twist wasn't good for a MZ. If I got some bad info I want to convert one like yours BAD.



The cva stalker shoots lights out. Very accurate had 4 shots @ .75. It is a pretty heavy gun so the recoil w/ 60 n120 is very mild. The only issue is its a loose bore bu a quick knurl fixes it. The stock shoulders great for me. I am very impressed with this gun. I just picked up a cva Apex & hope it shoots half as good as the stalker ill be happy. The encore has a tight barrel and shoots very good as well, have only shot it once. This is a very light gun so recoil is up there.
Steve


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#3228553 - 04/22/13 10:39 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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Is your Encore barrel a TC barrel or Bergara?
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#3228555 - 04/22/13 10:44 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
Is your Encore barrel a TC barrel or Bergara?


It's a TC blued barrel.

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#3229092 - 04/23/13 12:56 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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Thanks full stream!
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#3246711 - 05/14/13 09:22 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: TX300mag]
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Savage .50 with the first load I tried
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#3246807 - 05/15/13 04:52 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Savage .50 with the first load I tried
Good shooting. How far was the target and which load were you shooting?
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#3247183 - 05/15/13 12:43 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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100 yards

43 gr. Imr sr 4759
Black MMP
300 gr xtp
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#3247278 - 05/15/13 02:19 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Savage .50 with the first load I tried
Good shooting. How far was the target and which load were you shooting?


X2 very nice indeed!!!

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#3247321 - 05/15/13 02:56 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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And who said factory Savages weren't accurate? lol
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#3247393 - 05/15/13 04:25 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
And who said factory Savages weren't accurate? lol
Me...
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#3247653 - 05/16/13 02:52 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
And who said factory Savages weren't accurate? lol
Me...


When I found this gun new in a store and brought it home I was scared to death after reading cecils posts lol
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#3247708 - 05/16/13 07:16 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
And who said factory Savages weren't accurate? lol
Me...


When I found this gun new in a store and brought it home I was scared to death after reading cecils posts lol
Since getting into smokeless muzzy's i've seen some stock savages just flat out shoot and others that won't group worth a dime.
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#3247709 - 05/16/13 07:16 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
...I was scared to death ...
Your worries are unwarranted for sure. Looks like you have a shooter with that gun and load combination.
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#3247906 - 05/16/13 10:51 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
...I was scared to death ...
Your worries are unwarranted for sure. Looks like you have a shooter with that gun and load combination.


I'm in love with this sucker, cheaper to shoot, no cleaning, and flat accurate.

I got a little better accuracy out of the hornady HP and the BCR, but just a fraction, that might be what I shoot this year I'm not sure yet.

BTW, rubberduck you found us any primers?
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#3247926 - 05/16/13 11:15 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
BTW, rubberduck you found us any primers?

That's a GIANT no Rock. I talked to Rebel Pawn and Lawson's and they can't even backorder them. Hopefully the supplies will be replenished by September or so.
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#3247982 - 05/16/13 12:42 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
....you found us any primers?
Saw these for sale on AL yesterday. http://www.armslist.com/posts/1481909/gr...shotgun-primers
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#3248041 - 05/16/13 02:09 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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Thanks Andy but Rockhound and myself are in search of Federal 209A primers.
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#3248046 - 05/16/13 02:15 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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10-4, I'll keep an eye out for some.
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#3248355 - 05/16/13 09:07 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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Looks like we might have to go on a road trip one Saturday, I heard a place in Camden had a few thousand. Franklin gun shop had some back in the winter for $40 a thousand and I aorta ha e by tail beat for not getting em.
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#3248410 - 05/16/13 09:47 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
Thanks Andy but Rockhound and myself are in search of Federal 209A primers.


I picked up 2 boxes at sportsman's warehouse in horn lake a couple weeks ago. Ill have a buddy check to see if they still got em, if so ill pick up a bunch & figure out how to get em to ya.
Steve


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#3248414 - 05/16/13 09:52 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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Sounds good Fullstream, thanks!

Rockhound, whats the name of the place in Camden? Iv got a buddy that lives in Camden that might be able to help ship if necessary.
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#3249291 - 05/18/13 06:55 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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I can't remember, something shooters supply. Small store my uncle said
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#3254312 - 05/24/13 02:49 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rockhound]
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Been reading the forum for a few years and finally decided to join even though I ain't ever been to Tennessee. One of my guns did however travel down to Hillbill's for a bedding job \:\)

Seems like a smokeless friendly forum. Some might know me from Doug's (45omega) or Modern Muzzleloader. I have a few Rem 700ML .45 smokeless conversions. Two with McGowen and one with a Pacnor barrel. Also have two Slufoot 45-70 conversions. Slufoot does excellent work at a great price!! I know there are a few here that had him work his magic on their barrels. Once the smokeless bug bites there ain't no turning back!

This Pro Hunter 45-70 Slufoot conversion has become my favorite even though I do not shoot heavy loads in it. I keep my sabotless loads in the 2400 fps range. This platform in my opinion makes for a nice light weight, compact smokeless muzzleloader. The pillared / vented forearm is one of Tony Gettel's creations. He makes these from blanks and does excellent work. A little pricey but definitely worth it in my opinion for a great pillared, free float fit.



I do have one more in the making which I have been told will be my favorite. A .392/.400 Pacnor barrel screwed on a Stevens 200 centerfire action. Just waiting on my full form die to arrive so I can size some bullets and light her up.


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#3254327 - 05/24/13 03:13 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: smokeless74]
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Welcome to TNDeer 45Omega! Were very smokeless friendly around here (except for a few yahoos) but generally not as high tech as on Doug's. Were more about knocking down whitetails rather than punching paper at 300+ yrds lol.
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#3254391 - 05/24/13 05:31 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Rubberduck270]
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Fairly new here too and have the smokeless bug bad. I have a stainless Remington ML for my donor receiver and want to move forward with build. My question for the guys that have a Remi what route should I go with having rifle built? I think Luke at Arrowhead Sporting goods assembles rifles and I believe hillbill also assembles rifles which would be best route? Thanks for any help1
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#3254423 - 05/24/13 06:20 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: dmonty]
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Get in touch with Luke as he probably has McGowen barrels in stock with no wait. He will put everything together for you. I am not sure what stock you want to go with but the Boyd's laminated ADL varmint thumbhole stocks are a good choice. Minimal work is required to float the barrel. Boyds finally started to let customers upgrade to a Decellerator recoil pad. If you want to shoot sabotless Luke can check some bores and probably find one that will take the Parker bullets without sizing. The McGowens are excellent sabotless shooters \:\)

Hillbill does great work and is a great guy. He's probably backed up with builds though. Fastest route is Luke at smokelessmz.com With him having barrels on hand it will save you from waiting about 14-16 weeks.

Good luck!!

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#3254443 - 05/24/13 07:11 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: smokeless74]
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Thanks, I called Luke and talked with him and will go that route.He suggested the Boyd's stock also and I'm going with the Mc Gowen barrel he has in stock. Again Thanks
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#3254584 - 05/25/13 12:25 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: dmonty]
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I live close to Camden I will check and see if they have any fed 209A it wouldn't hurt if I had a few more
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#3259556 - 06/01/13 09:34 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: hayman]
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Here's my Stevens 200 w/ Pacnor .392/.400 barrel. Finally got my Swinglock full form sizing die. Initial range testing looks very good.


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#3259670 - 06/02/13 08:16 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: smokeless74]
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 Originally Posted By: smokeless74
Here's my Stevens 200 w/ Pacnor .392/.400 barrel. Finally got my Swinglock full form sizing die. Initial range testing looks very good.



That is a very sharp looking gun. What loads are you running thru it? And what speed?

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#3259686 - 06/02/13 08:37 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: ewc]
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What kind of stock pack is that?
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#3259758 - 06/02/13 10:18 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: smokeless74]
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 Originally Posted By: smokeless74
Here's my Stevens 200 w/ Pacnor .392/.400 barrel. Finally got my Swinglock full form sizing die. Initial range testing looks very good.



Very sharp. Love the stock.

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#3259816 - 06/02/13 11:53 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tenn.Guy]
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Stock is a B&C Varmint Tactical 4.40 spacing.

I am running 10/60 4759-Varget which is in the low 2700's according to my buddy who just shot his gun today. I shot one group today with 10/58 4759-AA2015 which should be a few hundred FPS faster. My buddy got in the 2900's with 10/56 4759-10X and AA2015 is right in that burn rate area. I am still playing with the Swinglock die for the SST's but found what she likes with the 195 MZ's. No wads either \:\) Recoil is like a .243.

100yd groups


Since the 195's seem to be doing good at 100yds I shot them at 200.

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#3260323 - 06/03/13 07:41 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: smokeless74]
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smokeless74-

I'll try to be brief:

Be careful duplexing with 2015 and 10x in the .40. They would be best shot as single powder loads.

Also, minor point, 2015 and 10x are not close in burn rate.

With the 2015 load, you could drop the 10 gr of 4759 and still be 3-5 grains over where I would be comfortable (I would be guessing, but I wouldn't doubt this load to be over 3k with only 68 grains of powder )

The 10x load you referenced would be better, but again I would drop the 4759 and keep 10x to 60 grains max.

Stick with the 4759/varget combo if you want to duplex. Your buddies speed for that load is spot on. I got 2,731 with that combo. Varget is hard to beat, but you may also try N140 or RL-15. Keep your total charge to 80gr. (I'm @ 76 gr total. 12/64 N110/Varget for 2,900. I have gone past 3,000 fps @ the 80 level safely, but my load is scary accurate and I don't need another 100 fps)

All of the above is just my opinion- do what you want. Just be careful. FWIW, RB built the first .40, SW built the 2nd, and I built the 3rd. All back in 2007/08 if my memory is correct.

OK, not so brief. Sorry. \:\)

Good luck-

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#3260507 - 06/03/13 11:34 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: ewc]
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Thanks for the info. Yes I am aware of the .40's of a few years ago and what prompted Pacnor to stop making them. Dave D had them bring it back as a .392/.400 to use the Swinglock Fullform Die. I have 8 pounds of Varget so I am set for awhile.

Todays shooting:




Edited by smokeless74 (06/03/13 03:33 PM)
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#3261656 - 06/04/13 08:52 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: smokeless74]
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Fantastic groups. Good luck Stephen. You'll do well.
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#3264293 - 06/09/13 05:47 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: ewc]
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I like those 195 BX groups as the 195BX is absolute poison on whitetails! Good shootin!
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#3278763 - 06/29/13 09:19 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tar12]
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My buddies CVA Apex 45/70 recently converted by Slufoot. Just got barrel back yesterday haven't shot it yet....
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#3278851 - 06/30/13 06:19 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Roost 1]
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Your buddy has a nice setup, I look forward to seeing the pics of his first range session. Post them up if you have time. Thanks for sharing.

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#3278871 - 06/30/13 07:39 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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Will do.... He is waiting on me to get back from FL to help him with it. Trying to find powder now, seems impossible.
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#3278884 - 06/30/13 08:20 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Roost 1]
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Yes, powder availability may be a huge hurdle at this point. I hope y'all find some so he can see what she'll do. What powder are you all looking to shoot? I'll keep my eyes open in my neck of the woods if you make me aware. Best of luck.
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#3278978 - 06/30/13 10:52 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Andy S.]
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N-120 or H4198 are preferred choices but may have to look at others. Reloader 7 is also a possibility.
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#3279032 - 06/30/13 01:10 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1


My buddies CVA Apex 45/70 recently converted by Slufoot. Just got barrel back yesterday haven't shot it yet....


That is a sweet setup right there. You've motivated me to send mine to ol slufoot!!

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#3279033 - 06/30/13 01:12 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Roost 1]
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N-120 or H4198 are preferred choices but may have to look at others. Reloader 7 is also a possibility.


Take a drive south my friend I got ya covered ;\)

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#3279106 - 06/30/13 04:03 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Tenn.Guy]
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My first Smokelees Remi conversion. Built by Luke at Arrowhead Sporting Goods. Love this ML and can't wait to try it out,soon as I can find some H4198 powder we'll see what it can do.
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#3279177 - 06/30/13 06:07 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: dmonty]
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That is very sharp sir.
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#3279299 - 06/30/13 09:06 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: fullstream]
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Great lookin gun and I bet it shoots even better.
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#3283467 - 07/06/13 12:01 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: Roost 1]
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stock ml2, RL7 and 325 ftx, all I need!

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#3303263 - 07/26/13 06:40 PM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: holstonangler]
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As holstonangler says, RL7 and a 325FTX are all I need. However, Fullstream graced me with this one so I will give his Barnes Original load a run first.



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#3303673 - 07/27/13 09:08 AM Re: Lets see some Smokeless Muzzleloaders [Re: CR500AFX]
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Can't wait to see the pic of the first one you kill!! That gun has laid many a deer to rest. Lookin good sir! I'm sure volsgo1 will agree.....

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