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#3211639 - 04/02/13 06:04 PM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: paincave_2000]
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 Originally Posted By: paincave_2000
I didn't know a Corvette had metal fenders, learn something new everyday.


They did in '53....
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#3212485 - 04/03/13 02:43 PM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: leader]
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My two cents...

If your intent is having a gun re-blued to restore its collector value you are going to lose on that.

Here is a classic example of what I would not re-blue.

Nickel Steel Model 12 Winchester. Most if not all of them will not have much blueing retained. Therefore it would be a mistake reblueing this gun. There is a reason the blueing did not stay on to begin with.

The problem today with reblueing is that hardly anyone can do this correctly anymore. The finish comes out looking like black paint. I would want to see an example of someone's work before I let them have a go at a reblueing job.
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#3216184 - 04/07/13 09:24 PM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: Navy Mustang]
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So, since it didn't "stay on", ( I guess the rust, which is what bluing is, fell off), it's better to look like junk. Well, not trying to be a smart a__, but since you brought it up, I recently did 2 Model 12s with nickel, and they came out beautifully. The first is a 1922 20 gauge and the second is a 1934 12 gauge.




both were done for sentimental reasons, not for resale.

I'm just having a really hard time wrapping my head around the argument that guns are the only thing known to man that lose their value when they are restored. Even if you are talking Colt SAA first gens, they were carbona blued and case hardened frames and receivers. Why then, would polishing them and following their processes for finishing make it less valuable than a rusted out piece of crap. I agree that it would never compare to an original that was in mint condition, but realistically, how many 125 year old guns are mint, or even graded "very good" on the NRA grading scale. Seems unrealistic.
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#3216200 - 04/07/13 09:34 PM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: Greg M]
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So, by the aforementioned logic, this 1908 Winchester Model 1906



Is worth more than this 1908 Winchester Model 1906

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#3216415 - 04/08/13 08:11 AM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: Greg M]
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Looks like good work, hard to find these days. I like the finish on the rifle. I feel most of us that are in the collector market have been burned over the years with someone passing off a gun as original. When in fact the gun had been restored at some point. Not a big deal for me, but collectors are a picky bunch and if your intent is resale someday that rebluing job may hurt you when selling some of these older guns. I personally like some guns to be restored to their original glory, but each gun has its own merits. I've seen the value destroyed on a collectable piece just to make it look like it did when it was new. My general guidance has been restore the shooter grades and leave the collector pieces alone.
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#3222179 - 04/15/13 12:16 AM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: Navy Mustang]
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Ditto on refinishing shooter-grade guns and leaving collector-grade guns alone. If we're talking a collectible gun, a proper reblue job will entail not only taking off the remaining blue, but also removing some base metal down to where none of the old rust pitted the metal. That's why a 10% grade low-number Colt SAA is worth five times what a refinished gun is worth.
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#3223065 - 04/15/13 11:52 PM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: jaybird62]
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Jaybird, you are absolutely correct in part of your statement. A PROPER reblue job entails filing, sanding and polishing down to bare metal. A true professional would never dream of rebluing a gun that was pitted.
The part where you are wrong, however, is on the Colt example. I have a 1903 Colt SAA in 32 WCF that was rusted and pitted, found by it's former owner in a drawer of a tool box. I purchased it at $350. It was worth about $1200, real dollars. Having the gun carbona blued and the frame, hammer and loading gate color case hardened, along with re-roll stamping the barrel and Colt info (patent, etc) will put this gun's value at around $4000, real dollars. I'll post pics when it's finished. It will be IDENTICAL to how it rolled out of Hartford in 1903.
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#3223136 - 04/16/13 06:35 AM Re: The hornet's nest I love to poke! [Re: Greg M]
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Never have understood why re bluing destroys a guns value or collectability...............makes no sense......but if the buyer were that dude i guess you would have a hard sell. I do understand someone buying a parker and wanting it to look 100 years old, not off the shelf new if history is what they like. to each his own.

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