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#3207811 - 03/29/13 02:40 PM Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage
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Rush Limbaugh concedes conservatives 'lost' marriage debate
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#3208576 - 03/30/13 02:42 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: Vermin93]
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Society as a whole has almost hit rock bottom. Right now it's raining outside and I have to wonder if it isn't God's tears for He must surely be terribly saddened by the utterly disgusting manner in which a LOT of mortals are carrying out their lives.
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#3208767 - 03/30/13 06:45 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: W C]
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We will all pay for the deterioration of morality in the USSA.
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#3211219 - 04/02/13 09:47 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: Rebel]
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Perhaps the best thing that we can do -- and the worst thing for them -- is to give the lIbTARds everything they want.

How much will we suffer for it? I don't know. But I do believe that THEY will surely suffer more.
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#3211238 - 04/02/13 10:08 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: Greg .]
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 Originally Posted By: Greg .
Perhaps the best thing that we can do -- and the worst thing for them -- is to give the lIbTARds everything they want.

How much will we suffer for it? I don't know. But I do believe that THEY will surely suffer more.


I know what you are saying is that if they get everything they are asking for, when we hit rock bottom (where ever that is), then they will finally see the errors of their ways.

The problem is two fold:

1) They never learn. Each new progressive leader thinks the previous tries failed because
a) They weren't the leader
b) Enough money/big government wasn't thrown at the situation.

2) Hitting rock bottom will most likely lead to a dictatorship of some kind. We cannot afford this! All liberties will have been permanently lost at this point.


Edited by Still-n-Quiet (04/02/13 10:08 AM)
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#3214913 - 04/06/13 08:01 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you personally look at it), Rush is right when it comes to the influence of the Fundamentalist/Evangelical arguments on this issue and any other of national interest. "Bible thumping" alone will never win another national election or debate on issues of national interest (although they still have considerable sway on issues at the state level in some states). As the populace swings more and more to towards secularism or more liberal forms of Christianity, "because the Bible says so" is a political argument that has lost the power to persuade the national majority (although again, it can still sway regional state majorities).

Although it has always been said that America is a "center-right" country, I don't think that is still true on both fiscal and social issues. The popularity of Ron Paul's Libertarian message among the youngest generations definitely indicates a continued interest in fiscal conservatism, but a swing in social beliefs to a "live and let live" viewpoint that is considered "socially liberal" by Conservatives (although it is not truly socially liberal; i.e. it does not promote the Progressive Nanny State of true Social Liberalism).

Unless the religiously-based Social Conservatives can find some way to stomach the constitutionally-based Social "liberalism" of the Libertarian-minded (a growing percentage of the populace), and join forces on just the Fiscal Conservatism issue, the Right will never win another national election.
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#3214975 - 04/06/13 09:49 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: BSK]
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I disagree with the view point that Conservative = Christian Fundamentalist.

The left has done an incredible job tying any Conservative candidate, ideology, or movement with the most extreme Christian Fundamentalists. They then go on to panic the masses with bogus claims that the "Christians/Conservatives want to outlaw ...Gays, pagans, atheists, rock and roll, beer, pre-marital sex, any sex other than the missionary position while reading a bible, bikinis, slow dancing...."
This simply isn't true, but is an effective means of divide and conquer.


With the MSM leading the low information voter by the nose, any "conservative" has a very difficult road ahead of them.

Libertarians have the same problem. Liberals should LOVE libertarianism, but since they are typically ignorant, and get what little information they DO consume from the MSM and leftist/socialist propaganda outlets, they think Libertarians want to disband the government, replace the dollar with bartering seashells, and legalize all drugs for anyone out of diapers.

IF America is ever going to get good leaders who truly care about the health and well being of our nation, the MSM propaganda strangle hold on "information" has be broken.

I still believe most Americans would side with good vs. evil/stupid/greedy IF they were given quality information.
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#3214983 - 04/06/13 10:02 AM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1

With the MSM leading the low information voter by the nose, any "conservative" has a very difficult road ahead of them.


This is critical. As long as the Chris Matthews and Hollywood swine of the world have the ability to coronate or vilify candidates anyone on the right is fighting an intense uphill battle. Ask Herman Cain.
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#3215198 - 04/06/13 04:39 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I disagree with the view point that Conservative = Christian Fundamentalist.


I never said nor implied that. My point is that using "because the Bible says so" as a political argument has lost its power on national issues. On regional state issues, it still has power, but not on national issues, as the U.S population is rapidly secularizing or choosing more liberal religious views.

Rush's point was the Right lost the argument on gay marriage because they used "Bible thumping" as their primary argument against it. I agree. For those who do not want to see gay marriage become The Law, they will need a better argument that plays to the secular or libertarian-minded.
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#3215204 - 04/06/13 04:45 PM Re: Rush Limbaugh concedes defeat on gay marriage [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: fishboy1

With the MSM leading the low information voter by the nose, any "conservative" has a very difficult road ahead of them.


This is critical. As long as the Chris Matthews and Hollywood swine of the world have the ability to coronate or vilify candidates anyone on the right is fighting an intense uphill battle. Ask Herman Cain.


I completely agree with both comments. With the vast majority of the Mass Media willfully and actively campaigning for one political party, and making absolutely no attempt to hide their vilification of the other party no matter the topic or issue, we are currently at one of the most dangerous times in American history.

The first step for any budding tyranny is to control the Press; i.e. control the message. The saddest part about our current growing tyranny is they didn't even have to lift a finger to gain control of the Press. The Press gladly handed over their objectivity and gleefully swore allegiance to the Far Left's cause. If history is any judge of the future, very, very bad things are to follow...

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