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#3206973 - 03/28/13 07:18 PM Hack and squirt?
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When is the best time,or when is it not worth doing?

How deep to cut? Complete circle?

Garlon or Arsenal seems to be whats reccomended?Co op? Or where?

There are a few Im not gonna try,TO BIG!
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#3207145 - 03/28/13 09:02 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Football Hunter]
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I have always done it in the late/mid summer when the sap is not running up.

I used tsc big and tuff. One good whack with the old axe.

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#3207444 - 03/29/13 07:51 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: TS_13]
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Late summer and early fall, when water is going down the trunk into the roots.

I use a mixture of Garlon and Arsenal, hacks all the way around the trunk, 3-4 inches apart.
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#3207445 - 03/29/13 07:52 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: BSK]
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In spring, your best bet is girlding. You can make a single girdle into which you squirt herbicide, or a double girdle without herbicide.
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#3210460 - 04/01/13 01:57 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: BSK]
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How do you guys make the girdle cut? Just scuff the bark off with a chainsaw?
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#3210781 - 04/01/13 06:52 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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What BSK said. The worst times are March and April with the best times being during the winter.

I like a 50:50 mix of Garlon 3-A with water. Cuts every 3-4 inches should do the trick. As BSK said, larger trees can be killed with a single chainsaw girdle with herbicide.
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#3210782 - 04/01/13 06:53 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
How do you guys make the girdle cut? Just scuff the bark off with a chainsaw?


You need to penetrate the cambium layer. A good 3/4 to 1 inch deep cut all the way around will be sufficient.
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#3211112 - 04/02/13 07:41 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: String Music]
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 Originally Posted By: String Music
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How do you guys make the girdle cut? Just scuff the bark off with a chainsaw?


You need to penetrate the cambium layer. A good 3/4 to 1 inch deep cut all the way around will be sufficient.


Yup. As long as you can see the "core" wood of the tree, you've cut deep enough (through the water carrying cambium layer). One cut all the way around if you plan to spray herbicide in the cut. Two cuts all the way around (one above the other) without herbicide.
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#3211197 - 04/02/13 09:10 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: BSK]
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OK, thanks String Music and BSK.

Now if I could get better at identifying tree species so I'm sure that I'm killing what I want to kill.

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#3211465 - 04/02/13 01:57 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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For me, it's easy (for what I'm trying to accomplish). If it's not a true white, post, red or black oak, it dies!
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#3212309 - 04/03/13 11:47 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
For me, it's easy (for what I'm trying to accomplish). If it's not a true white, post, red or black oak, it dies!
Wow,Hickorys and Cherries bring good money,poplars too,but dont feed deer.
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#3212411 - 04/03/13 01:48 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
For me, it's easy (for what I'm trying to accomplish). If it's not a true white, post, red or black oak, it dies!
Wow,Hickorys and Cherries bring good money,poplars too,but dont feed deer.


Whacking down anything other than an oak does simplify things, don't it? And I can't argue too much against it either for deer management purposes. Although one buck I shot years ago had a stomach packed full of hickory nuts and I do mean packed full.

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#3213171 - 04/04/13 07:49 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
For me, it's easy (for what I'm trying to accomplish). If it's not a true white, post, red or black oak, it dies!
Wow,Hickorys and Cherries bring good money,poplars too,but dont feed deer.


Let me clarify "what I'm trying to accomplish." I'm only killing standing trees in areas that have already been logged. I'm trying to remove even more of the canopy than the loggers did, to increase sunlight on the ground and produce more early-stage regrowth. The trees I'm killing are trees that the loggers deemed of low marketable value and left standing. I'm protecting high habitat value oaks for their reseeding value (oak regeneration), while killing most everything else. In addition, 75% of the property is still mature timber that includes beeches, poplars, cherry, hickory, etc.

If I were attempting to improve 100% of the timber, I would be using a different system.
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#3214604 - 04/05/13 06:25 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: BSK
For me, it's easy (for what I'm trying to accomplish). If it's not a true white, post, red or black oak, it dies!
Wow,Hickorys and Cherries bring good money,poplars too,but dont feed deer.


Let me clarify "what I'm trying to accomplish." I'm only killing standing trees in areas that have already been logged. I'm trying to remove even more of the canopy than the loggers did, to increase sunlight on the ground and produce more early-stage regrowth. The trees I'm killing are trees that the loggers deemed of low marketable value and left standing. I'm protecting high habitat value oaks for their reseeding value (oak regeneration), while killing most everything else. In addition, 75% of the property is still mature timber that includes beeches, poplars, cherry, hickory, etc.

If I were attempting to improve 100% of the timber, I would be using a different system.
Thats makes sense,when I get rid of all my Beeches,if ever,WOW,trees will release,and browse will grow,going at it again tomorrow.
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#3215637 - 04/07/13 08:57 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Wow, after a day of cutting beeches to improve hunting visibility, and then double-girdling trees in timber thinned areas, I've come to the conclusion that girdling is NOT the way to kill hundreds of trees. Dozens, yes; hundreds, no. Way too physically demanding (and dangerous) on steep terrain.

I don't think I'll be able to lift my left arm for a few days! That chainsaw gets heavy after a full day of cutting, especially holding it at the height and angle necessary for girdling.
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#3216560 - 04/08/13 10:23 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Wow, after a day of cutting beeches to improve hunting visibility, and then double-girdling trees in timber thinned areas, I've come to the conclusion that girdling is NOT the way to kill hundreds of trees. Dozens, yes; hundreds, no. Way too physically demanding (and dangerous) on steep terrain.

I don't think I'll be able to lift my left arm for a few days! That chainsaw gets heavy after a full day of cutting, especially holding it at the height and angle necessary for girdling.
You aint kidding,decided this one was too big,but it wasnt easy just doing this.
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#3217673 - 04/09/13 01:59 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Check out this weeks http://www.growingdeer.tv show. Grant Woods talks most of the episode about the very topic.
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#3217901 - 04/09/13 07:10 PM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Obsession]
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 Originally Posted By: Obsession
Check out this weeks http://www.growingdeer.tv show. Grant Woods talks most of the episode about the very topic.


X2 i was gonna just post the same thing!
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#3219133 - 04/11/13 07:22 AM Re: Hack and squirt? [Re: Obsession]
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 Originally Posted By: Obsession
Check out this weeks http://www.growingdeer.tv show. Grant Woods talks most of the episode about the very topic.


I have not used Roundup as a hack and squirt chemical. I wish Grant had mentioned what concentration he is using.

And the other downside is hack and squirt doesn't work well in spring or early summer.
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