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#3202041 - 03/23/13 10:59 PM Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters
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http://www.indystar.com/article/20130318...enience-hunters
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#3202251 - 03/24/13 09:32 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Poser]
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Mislabeled article.
Should be "deer farms provide targets to shooters".

Somewhat similar to "grocery stores provide convenience to meat-eaters", while neither grocery stores nor deer farms have anything to do with hunting.

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#3202274 - 03/24/13 09:51 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Mislabeled article.
Should be "deer farms provide targets to shooters".

Somewhat similar to "grocery stores provide convenience to meat-eaters", while neither grocery stores nor deer farms have anything to do with hunting.
As long as people are crazy enough to pay the exorbitant prices for these types of hunts these places will continue to operate. The biggest drawback to these operations is the danger of importing disease that will move over to the free ranging deer herds.
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#3202318 - 03/24/13 10:32 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Beekeeper]
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What also scares me about these places is the drugs they use on the animals. Many of those drugs remain in the tissues for many months before they are completely metabolized. The person killing and eating that animal is never told about what drugs were used on the animal or when they were used.
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#3202323 - 03/24/13 10:36 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
What also scares me about these places is the drugs they use on the animals. Many of those drugs remain in the tissues for many months before they are completely metabolized. The person killing and eating that animal is never told about what drugs were used on the animal or when they were used.


Yes, that is a very valid point. One of the commenters tried defending this practice as "going to the grocery store"
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#3202364 - 03/24/13 11:21 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
What also scares me about these places is the drugs they use on the animals. Many of those drugs remain in the tissues for many months before they are completely metabolized. The person killing and eating that animal is never told about what drugs were used on the animal or when they were used.


90% of the meat we eat has these chemicals in them. Same concern you have is the same concern I have for our entire food supply, even wild game stands a risk of toxins.
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#3202401 - 03/24/13 11:56 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: AT Hiker]
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
What also scares me about these places is the drugs they use on the animals. Many of those drugs remain in the tissues for many months before they are completely metabolized. The person killing and eating that animal is never told about what drugs were used on the animal or when they were used.


90% of the meat we eat has these chemicals in them. Same concern you have is the same concern I have for our entire food supply, even wild game stands a risk of toxins.



Absolutely wrong! Farmers do not use these drugs on a regular basis. They do not need to. I am not talking about antibiotics and steroids. I am talking about anesthetics, hallucinogens, and sedatives that are estremely potent and hazardous to humans. If you want some enlightenment, take a chemical immobilization of animals class. Many of the people in the class are deer farmers. The rest are wildlife biologists. The funny thing is, the wildlife biologists have to worry about what they use and when, because a hunter may kill that animal and eat it. There is no regulation of the cervid farming industry that requires them to wait before exposing someone to those chemicals in the meat. One of the drugs commonly used is 10000 times more potent than morphin (see first article), and has residues in the meat for a month after injection(see first article). Some of these drugs have residue present for a year after injection. Keep in mind too that these are used as mixtures, they are rarely used alone.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=icwdmccwhcnews

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00Chem/ChComplex/Carfentanil.htm#Withdrawal
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#3202474 - 03/24/13 01:41 PM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Beekeeper]
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 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
As long as people are crazy enough to pay the exorbitant prices for these types of hunts these places will continue to operate.


Having participated in a corporate funded hunt at one of these kind of places, I think they are here to stay. Yes, some of the clients of these places are wealthy individuals who want big antlers. However, I think many more of the clients are probably corporate guests who are being entertained. They are not paying for it out of their own pocket. The money is coming out of some executive's corporate expense budget. A good analogy would be elite sporting events like The Masters and especially the Super Bowl. It has turned into a huge corporate event. Some of the people at the Super Bowl are actually fans of the teams that are in the game, but many more people in attendance are business guests of corporations and companies. Every year the corporation that I work for takes a decent sized group of key customers to the Super Bowl, and every year the corporation that I work for takes smaller groups of key customers on high dollar hunting and fishing trips. Many times the trips are only 2 or 3 days because that's as long as some executives can be away from the office. That's where these deer farms and high fence ranches and canned hunts come into play. You can get in and get out in less than 48 hrs and have some huge antlers to put on the wall. I am not a fan of it, but it is what it is...
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#3202822 - 03/24/13 08:20 PM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Vermin93]
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I will also say that they are here to stay. As much as I do not like the idea there are many people who hunt and think that they deserve to go do something like this because they haven't killed a monster. IMO, a trophy is in the eye of the beholder and if you haven't killed a "trophy" then you are doing something wrong. I knew a guy who took his entire family and dropped over 40 grand just to have everybody shoot something. After he got back he did not tell anyone for a long time that it was a hi fenced hunt but loved to show off his "trophies". To me it is a joke but to some that is their idea of how hunting is. True hunters are truly a dying breed.
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#3203110 - 03/25/13 08:31 AM Re: Booming deer farms provide convenience to hunters [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
What also scares me about these places is the drugs they use on the animals. Many of those drugs remain in the tissues for many months before they are completely metabolized. The person killing and eating that animal is never told about what drugs were used on the animal or when they were used.


90% of the meat we eat has these chemicals in them. Same concern you have is the same concern I have for our entire food supply, even wild game stands a risk of toxins.



Absolutely wrong! Farmers do not use these drugs on a regular basis. They do not need to. I am not talking about antibiotics and steroids. I am talking about anesthetics, hallucinogens, and sedatives that are estremely potent and hazardous to humans. If you want some enlightenment, take a chemical immobilization of animals class. Many of the people in the class are deer farmers. The rest are wildlife biologists. The funny thing is, the wildlife biologists have to worry about what they use and when, because a hunter may kill that animal and eat it. There is no regulation of the cervid farming industry that requires them to wait before exposing someone to those chemicals in the meat. One of the drugs commonly used is 10000 times more potent than morphin (see first article), and has residues in the meat for a month after injection(see first article). Some of these drugs have residue present for a year after injection. Keep in mind too that these are used as mixtures, they are rarely used alone.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=icwdmccwhcnews

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00Chem/ChComplex/Carfentanil.htm#Withdrawal


I dont know what I am wrong about? I was not implying they used the same drugs as deer farmers per say...just that they used drugs and other bioengineering methods. I raise cattle myself and have been involved in the industry for quit some time. We sell grass feed beef when we have buyers, but the majority goes to a backgrounder then to a feed lot...no of which we control what is given to them.

You ask me to take a chemical immobilization class...been there done that in Animal Science, Nutrition and Health, etc...but I can tell you the class was instructed by professors who make a living writing grants for animal research and by no means is/will the class be directed to "harmful side effects" or anything else that would directly expose the industry.

I dont mind you telling me I am wrong on comparing deer farming to modern agriculture, but I can assure you I am not wrong on the fact that "farmers" use drugs and other chemicals in modern agriculture practices, whether it is willing or not.

You would be surprised how much fluphenazine, thorazine, or Ace is used. Maybe not your typical cattle farmer down the road, but feed lots, dairy operations, etc. This applies to more than cattle as well.

So please do not tell me I am "absolutely wrong" when you dont know what is absolutely factual, being a public forum I think it is important the public know all sides. I give you credit that you know a lot about deer farming (I know nothing on that topic) but my post was to inform others that it is not just deer farmers, its the animal husbandry industry in general.
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