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#3199313 - 03/21/13 11:10 AM Anybody here have a pitbull?
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This past weekend I was working out at my farm outside of Memphis cutting down vines and small trees out of a thicket. My girlfriend came out and was watching when she said, "Baby, there's a huge pitbull about 25 feet from you in the woods."

I couldn't see the dog because of all the trees and vines, but I peeked around a few tree trunks and there was a neighbors pit that had gotten out of their backyard.

The pit started baring his teeth and growling at me. I knew not to move fast or turn around, so I reached into my pocket and got my keys and threw them backwards to my girlfriend and told her "Get my Glock out of my truck...but walk backwards very quickly."

By this time the dog had started inching closer, and I pulled my pocket knife out and flicked it open in my right hand, and had my Fiskers tree saw in my left. The dog seemed like he was sizing me up. I'm figuring if he charges I'll zip him with the saw in my left hand and try to get my knife blade into his neck with my right while stepping off the line of attack and to the side and then just keep stabbing him in the neck and torso until he's dead or runs off. But I know, just as Mike Tyson said, "everybody got a plan, until they get hit in the mouth"...

I give a quick look back at my girlfriend and she was digging through my truck (about 50 feet away) trying to find my handgun. I guess I should have been more specific about it's location.

Suddenly the dog charges and I just stand my ground waiting for him to bite into me and the stabbing will begin, but he stopped about 2 feet from me and peeled off to the side and went about 10 feet away and kept growling at me.

I guess that's what they call a "false charge", like a bear will do.

Anyway, then I heard some kids calling for him, and I hollered at them to come get their dog, which they did.

My question: is that normal behaviour for a pit? I've never had one, but if its normal, I'll be keeping a handgun on me from now on.

BTW, I'm really glad I didn't have to kill the dog, especially since the kids that he belonged too were not too far away.
But I need to know more about this breed if I'm going to be facing this type of threat.

Any suggestions or advice or education you can give me?

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#3199368 - 03/21/13 11:48 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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One will roll over and want his belly scratched, the next one will go for your throat. It is no wonder they are being specially licensed or banned in some areas (Miami if I recall).

My Brother had one from a pup and at one year old it destroyed a teddy bear my brother had hugged. Dog was put down the next day.

For a sad commentary, just google up pit bull attacks.

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#3199377 - 03/21/13 11:56 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DaveB]
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I can't understand why anybody would want the huge financial risk of being sued for everything they own because of a dog. There are hundreds of breeds of dogs to choose from and endless mixed breed dogs available - why would anybody WANT such a high risk breed?

Now having said that, we had a pitbull thrown out at the farm a few years back. It was about 1 year old and male. That was the most irritatingly over friendly dog I have ever seen. It was all over me slobbering and wanting attention every time I left the house. Reminded me of the Looney Tunes characters who would follow the little boss dog around calling him "George" telling everybody how great "George" was. I was George and in that dogs eyes, I could do no wrong and he wanted to be with me every second of his life. \:\)

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#3199384 - 03/21/13 12:05 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DaveB]
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 Originally Posted By: DaveB
One will roll over and want his belly scratched, the next one will go for your throat. It is no wonder they are being specially licensed or banned in some areas (Miami if I recall).

My Brother had one from a pup and at one year old it destroyed a teddy bear my brother had hugged. Dog was put down the next day.

For a sad commentary, just google up pit bull attacks.
Exactly. You just cant trust them.
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#3199389 - 03/21/13 12:13 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DaveB]
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wow. I googled pitbull attacks. Sad indeed.
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#3199404 - 03/21/13 12:26 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: savageman]
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In before pit bull fans say it's not the dog, it's how it's raised.
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#3199409 - 03/21/13 12:30 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: savageman]
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One misconception of pits. MOST attacks reported by pits once a DNA test is done the DNA shows no signs of pit in the blood.
People always just point aggressive with pits.
I have a mutt that looks like a few number of dogs and he is 4. He is the most stubborn dog EVER. I have 3 pitbulls / aka American Bully. They are registered UKC as American PitBull Terrier and ABKC as American Bully.
My wife and I breed them and they prove time and time again to be MUCH better dogs then German sheperds, ST Bernards, Labs, and others.

Most of the time people look at a dog and if it shows it's teeth they instantly say "IT'S A PIT" (when it's actually mutt) pretty much profiling and just listening to the media on pit attacks.
Have you looked up German Sheperd attacks? They are pretty bad. Rottweiler attacks?
It's profiling a dog type when every single breed can turn out the same. It's all in the way they are raised.

All 8 pits we have ever had LOVES playing with kids and other animals. The kids and other kids grab their ears and tails and jump on them and pull their lips. My mutt on the other hand is fine with kids but hates his tail and lips being pulled.


Edited by 89cherokeelimited (03/21/13 12:40 PM)
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#3199418 - 03/21/13 12:36 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Sure am glad it turned out good for all involved.

I will refrain from further comment as it deals with beliefs and you can't argue beliefs.

Just real glad it turned out ok.
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#3199420 - 03/21/13 12:37 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: savageman]
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I have a good friend that has 5 pitbulls and they are all really nice, well behaved dogs. They don't beg for food, won't raid the trash can, won't steal food off the kitchen counter etc.

On the other hand, I have a rescued dog that was apparently being used as a "bait dog" to train pit bulls for fighting. The dog is missing part of her paw and almost had to have a leg amputated. She is also permanently missing hair around her neck where she was tied up tight. She can be a nice dog, but her default disposition is to meet any sign of aggression with overwhelming aggression. If I am walking my dogs and she sees a pitbull, she completely looses her mind in an aggressive rampage. I'm pretty sure this dog has fantasies about enacting revenge upon a pitbull and when she gets in a fight with another dog, its almost like watching a pitbull fight. I guess that's how she was conditioned. She doesn't look like much, but she came up hard.

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#3199421 - 03/21/13 12:39 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.
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#3199425 - 03/21/13 12:40 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Poser]
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Question, though, for the proponents of banning pitbulls. What about having/using/training them for hog hunting?
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#3199427 - 03/21/13 12:41 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.


Oh, give me a freakin' break.
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#3199429 - 03/21/13 12:43 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
One misconception of pits. MOST attacks reported by pits once a DNA test is done the DNA shows no signs of pit in the blood.
People always just point aggressive with pits.
I have a mutt that looks like a few number of dogs and he is 4. He is the most stubborn dog EVER. I have 3 pitbulls / aka American Bully. They are registered UKC as American PitBull Terrier and ABKC as American Bully.
My wife and I breed them and they prove time and time again to be MUCH better dogs then German sheperds, ST Bernards, Labs, and others.

Most of the time people look at a dog and if it shows it's teeth they instantly say "IT'S A PIT" (when it's actually mutt) pretty much profiling and just listening to the media on pit attacks.
Have you looked up German Sheperd attacks? They are pretty bad. Rottweiler attacks?
It's profiling a dog type when every single breed can turn out the same. It's all in the way they are raised.



I have an 85 lb American Bulldog and everyone who sees him calls him a Pit. Have a friend with a 100 lb Cane Corso and everyone calls him a pit. I have learned since owning my AB that most people assosiate the head and big chest with Pits, no matter the breed or the size.
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#3199441 - 03/21/13 12:46 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
I can't understand why anybody would want the huge financial risk of being sued for everything they own because of a dog. There are hundreds of breeds of dogs to choose from and endless mixed breed dogs available - why would anybody WANT such a high risk breed?


I couldn't agree more. And, for the record, regardless of how they are raised, the genetics of the dog remain unchanged. For one, their ability to bite and not let go is just remarkable.
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#3199453 - 03/21/13 12:52 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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This is some of our pits.
None of them have ever showed their teeth nor ever even barked or growled at someone even strangers that came in our house.





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#3199456 - 03/21/13 12:53 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.


Oh, give me a freakin' break.
Sorry. I'm the dog hatenest person on the face of the earth. I know they do a lot of good for a lot of people, I just ain't one of them. Dogs are to me what spiders are to Ruger.

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#3199458 - 03/21/13 12:54 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
Question, though, for the proponents of banning pitbulls. What about having/using/training them for hog hunting?


Well they are trying to make owners get atleast a $25,000.00 insurance policy not quite ban them.
Some states and counties do ban them but the big issue right now is trying to make us get a insurance policy.
I'm afraid my wife's Pomeranian will bite someone faster then any of my pits too.
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#3199459 - 03/21/13 12:55 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: moondawg]
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 Originally Posted By: moondawg
In before pit bull fans say it's not the dog, it's how it's raised.


Only 4.7 minutes \:D \:D
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#3199460 - 03/21/13 12:55 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.


Oh, give me a freakin' break.
Sorry. I'm the dog hatenest person on the face of the earth. I know they do a lot of good for a lot of people, I just ain't one of them. Dogs are to me what spiders are to Ruger.


So, let me get this straight: You wouldn't trust a blind child with a seeing eye dog?
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#3199462 - 03/21/13 12:56 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
This is some of our pits.
None of them have ever showed their teeth nor ever even barked or growled at someone even strangers that came in our house.








Just a bunch of big sweeties !!!!!!

\:\)
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#3199463 - 03/21/13 12:57 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: Poser
Question, though, for the proponents of banning pitbulls. What about having/using/training them for hog hunting?


Well they are trying to make owners get atleast a $25,000.00 insurance policy not quite ban them.
Some states and counties do ban them but the big issue right now is trying to make us get a insurance policy.
I'm afraid my wife's Pomeranian will bite someone faster then any of my pits too.


This may be true but when is the last time someone was mauled to death by a pomeranian.
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#3199465 - 03/21/13 12:58 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
This is some of our pits.
None of them have ever showed their teeth nor ever even barked or growled at someone even strangers that came in our house.








Just a bunch of big sweeties !!!!!!

\:\)

They just got tired from chasing all the neighbor hood kids.


Edited by randy (03/21/13 12:58 PM)
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#3199467 - 03/21/13 12:59 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.


Oh, give me a freakin' break.
Sorry. I'm the dog hatenest person on the face of the earth. I know they do a lot of good for a lot of people, I just ain't one of them. Dogs are to me what spiders are to Ruger.


This is just sad - to miss the unqualified love a dog brings to a human/dog relationship - something not a single person should miss at least once in their life -

I understand SES and I'm not berating you in anyway shape or form, it's just that if you could hook up with that one puppy in the pound someday, your life would FOREVER be changed for the better.

I guarantee it -
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#3199468 - 03/21/13 01:00 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
I can't understand why anybody would want the huge financial risk of being sued for everything they own because of a dog. There are hundreds of breeds of dogs to choose from and endless mixed breed dogs available - why would anybody WANT such a high risk breed?


I couldn't agree more. And, for the record, regardless of how they are raised, the genetics of the dog remain unchanged. For one, their ability to bite and not let go is just remarkable.


That is just profiling breeds.
Rottweiler bite force was 328-350 lbs
Pitbull pressure bite was 235 lbs
German Shepherd bite was 238-850 lbs
Bulldog bite was 305 lbs
dutch shepherd 235 lbs
tosa inu was 556 lbs
Great danes about 750lbs
All i'm saying is it's bad enough people judge other people but when people who don't know the breed and spread around rumors is just as bad.
Pitbulls are FAR from the strongest biters of dogs.
The "lock jaw" myth is from pro filers as well.
It's harder to break a German Shepherds and Great danes bite then Pitbulls.
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#3199469 - 03/21/13 01:02 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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How could anyone say they couldn't love this dog? She is the most playful and loving pup i've ever seen.
She's full blood Pitbull / American Bully
She's our newest pup from our most recent litter
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#3199472 - 03/21/13 01:03 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
 Originally Posted By: ferg
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
This is some of our pits.
None of them have ever showed their teeth nor ever even barked or growled at someone even strangers that came in our house.








Just a bunch of big sweeties !!!!!!

\:\)

They just got tired from chasing all the neighbor hood kids.

They never leave our yard. My mutt will run into the street (That's why i'm installing an underground fence this weekend) but not a single one of our pits will ever leave our yard.
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#3199477 - 03/21/13 01:08 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.


Oh, give me a freakin' break.
Sorry. I'm the dog hatenest person on the face of the earth. I know they do a lot of good for a lot of people, I just ain't one of them. Dogs are to me what spiders are to Ruger.


So, let me get this straight: You wouldn't trust a blind child with a seeing eye dog?
I would have to be heavily medicated to hinder a panic attack.

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#3199478 - 03/21/13 01:08 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Dbllunger]
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 Originally Posted By: Dbllunger
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: Poser
Question, though, for the proponents of banning pitbulls. What about having/using/training them for hog hunting?


Well they are trying to make owners get atleast a $25,000.00 insurance policy not quite ban them.
Some states and counties do ban them but the big issue right now is trying to make us get a insurance policy.
I'm afraid my wife's Pomeranian will bite someone faster then any of my pits too.


This may be true but when is the last time someone was mauled to death by a pomeranian.

NO but most of the cases of dog attacks is attack not dog killing. My wife's Pomeranian jumped at my face before and tried to bite me. I've been bit by more chiuaua's and pom's then any other dog. I used to install cable so dogs didn't like me. Every single pit would just lay there and never get up. Small dogs would bite the crap out of me. I had 3 German Sheperds, 4 Labs, 1 Great Dane, and a 1 Malinois bite me installing cable. Not one single pit. I love all dogs but the least aggressive one pits. That's why my wife and I got into breeding pits a few years back. Much better family dog then most other breeds.
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#3199479 - 03/21/13 01:09 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SES
Dogs are animals. I don't trust any of them. People who leave children alone with them should be charged with endangerment.


Oh, give me a freakin' break.
Sorry. I'm the dog hatenest person on the face of the earth. I know they do a lot of good for a lot of people, I just ain't one of them. Dogs are to me what spiders are to Ruger.


So, let me get this straight: You wouldn't trust a blind child with a seeing eye dog?
I would have to be heavily medicated to hinder a panic attack.

Our friends kids are around our pits all the time. The pit may protect the kid from someone but they just lay there and let the kids do whatever to them and they don't care.
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#3199481 - 03/21/13 01:12 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
This is some of our pits.
None of them have ever showed their teeth nor ever even barked or growled at someone even strangers that came in our house.




Just a bunch of big sweeties !!!!!!

\:\)


They are. The bottom pic and the top right one Miley. She never even got aggressive when she was pregnant or when she had the pups.
The says a lot for a dog. Our pomeranian would help clean them and stuff and we would pick them up and Miley would just sit there not pay us attention. Never aggressive not once.
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#3199485 - 03/21/13 01:16 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: LSUtigers
I was at work just the other day; 2 dogs a 80-90 pound large white shaggy dog and a 25-30 pound pup PIT redish Brown came into a opened gate where I work. , not that color has anything to do with this incident, just hearing all the stuff about PITS I go and get a club before going out there to get them to go back outside of fence, I whistled just as always to get a dogs attention, the bigger dog looked up and started coming over to where i was at, the white dog was wanting to play, but the Pit about 2 feet out as it was walking up to me started growling, so i told them to go on and they did, well the pit decided it wanted some of me and came running growling and showing teeth, so right as the little bugger lunged at me i smacked it in the head with my club and it squeeled and ran out the gate, but not over yet it stopped ,turned around and looked at me growling and ran off. Pup didn't like the club at all. Now I own 2 dogs, a cat and 2 horses and care for all of these,. these were good looking dogs and did have collars on, but no lease, club the owner.

Do you know it was a pit mix 100% positive?
Staffordshire terrier or other breed?
For all of the Pit haters and people that think every dog is a pit. Check this out http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
There are a lot of dogs that look like pits but have not relation what so ever.
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#3199487 - 03/21/13 01:16 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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89 cherokee, I am sure your dogs are nice. But they must be the exception to the rule.
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Edited by randy (03/21/13 01:18 PM)
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#3199488 - 03/21/13 01:18 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ]
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I would be curious to know the real value on the statitics. My bet is there are more rat terrier mix, boxer mix, American Bulldog Mix bites than actual Pit or pit mix bites. I usd to be a true pitbull hater until I got my American Bulldog and everyone who saw him thought he was a Pit, everyone! Mine definately has a bark and a look, but the worst physical damage he would do is lick someones skin off!
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#3199495 - 03/21/13 01:23 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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It's all in what the person is brought around thinking as well. My parents and grandparents and many people I know swear up and down that pits are awful, horrible, killing machines.
Givin that pits are go to dogs for the dog fights because of their aggression and will to keep going, but alot of times any dog is how you raise them. A friend of mine has one of the best pits I have personally met. I was afraid of it the first time I met her because of being told they are horrible but she is sweet.

My neighbor on the other hand has a red nose pit, and she is the devil reincarnated. She got out and in our yard and attacked my 1 year old Boxer. Almost killed him. he was at the vet for months fighting to live.
She has got out and came at me, my fiance, and my bloodhound.
I have told my neighbor time and time again to keep her dog contained. Or I will bring her back in a trash bag.
And when my boy is born in the next few weeks and he gets older, if she comes at him, or acts like it, I will not hesitate to kill her dead.
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#3199498 - 03/21/13 01:26 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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89 cherokee, I am sure your dogs are nice. But they must be the exception to the rule.
statistics


Do know why they are labeled like that??? Reports when a dog attacks they do like a lot of people on here. They say "It's a pit" without knowing if it actually was a pit.
Your chart looks like it came from dogsbite.com???
the author Colleen Lynn has pointed out time after time she hates pits. She is really biased to pits and will just say a pit attack when it could be an alpha blue blood bulldog.
You will never find a completely 100% unbiased site against dogs.
Anything Colleen Lynn posts is 100% biased again pits. I can guarantee that because she admits she hates pits.
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#3199500 - 03/21/13 01:28 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Unicam]
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 Originally Posted By: Unicam
I would be curious to know the real value on the statitics. My bet is there are more rat terrier mix, boxer mix, American Bulldog Mix bites than actual Pit or pit mix bites. I usd to be a true pitbull hater until I got my American Bulldog and everyone who saw him thought he was a Pit, everyone! Mine definately has a bark and a look, but the worst physical damage he would do is lick someones skin off!

Same here. My wife and I got a mutt when we first got married because people said rescue and don't buy from breeders. Our first pit was given to us by some friends and from there on we absolutely love our pits. Our mutt on the other hand is a pain in my @$$ he has showed me his teeth and gets these moods every 3 or 4 months where he is a total pain. the past few years not ONE single issue, teeth showing, disobeying, running out of the yard or anything from out pits.
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#3199502 - 03/21/13 01:30 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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This is one of the pits we sold from our last litter.

They were worried buying a pit because they never owned one.
They bought max and what do ya know!!! The best dog they have ever had.
They also have kids and a cat.
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#3199506 - 03/21/13 01:32 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I bet this will get the attention of some pit biased haters!!!
Vinnie is HUGE wide but the sweetest dog you would ever meet in your life. I guarantee it! Note that is a 2 year old beside him...
The 2 year old DID live through the pictures!
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#3199507 - 03/21/13 01:33 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Dbllunger]
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 Originally Posted By: Dbllunger


This may be true but when is the last time someone was mauled to death by a pomeranian.


Pomeranians, like house cats, are the two "pets" that actively think, "You and I both know that if I were bigger, you'd have been eaten by now."
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#3199513 - 03/21/13 01:35 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
 Originally Posted By: Dbllunger


This may be true but when is the last time someone was mauled to death by a pomeranian.


Pomeranians, like house cats, are the two "pets" that actively think, "You and I both know that if I were bigger, you'd have been eaten by now."

Yep lol
I hate that pomeranian but it's my wife's so I can't kill it just yet. If she bites me one more time she might have a .40 in her head though.
In 5 years she's bitten me atleast 8 times.
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#3199517 - 03/21/13 01:39 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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stats Here is a pretty comprehensive list by breed.

Edited by randy (03/21/13 01:40 PM)
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#3199534 - 03/21/13 01:49 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
stats Here is a pretty comprehensive list by breed.

They also have on their some of the killings were noted to be pitbull BUT they also say "they are not sure if it was a pit or another breed" but they still put it under the pits.
One was a chain strangled a kid. Pretty sure the pit didn't purposely wrap a chain around someone neck and strangle them.
Another said 13 dogs killed someone. They noted a pit but said they others were unknown...
Kind of getting a vibe here? Biased and not actually knowing if it was a pit or not??? thinking it looked like a pit and they marked down pit.
Looks and sounds like some biased info as well. Not credible testing
Another (a pit knocked her down causing head injuries)
Any big dog could have done that. The pit could have just been excited to see the person and jumped on them. Didn't say bite or tore someone throat out. They knocked the human over...


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#3199541 - 03/21/13 01:57 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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1985 attacks by the pit bull breed.
The next closest was Rottweiler at 481 attacks.
That is a difference of 1504. Find 1504 discrepencies(sp), I might believe you then.
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#3199543 - 03/21/13 02:01 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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I grew up with a pit bull in the 1980's before the hysteria. It's probably in my top 3 favorite pets of all time. A truly awesome dog; however, I wouldn't consider bringing one into my own house around my kids today.
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#3199545 - 03/21/13 02:02 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Well, back to my original question...
Are false charges usually a part of a dogs attack?
Ive had run-ins with other dogs in my lifetime, but never had a charging attack like that before.
For the record, i didnt intend to get any anti-breed conversation going.

Also, if ANY breed large dog was attacking you and you didnt gave a firearm to defend yourself, what would you do? Or, take it one step further, what if the large dog was attacking your kids and you didnt have a firearm? How would you handle it?

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#3199547 - 03/21/13 02:04 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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1985 attacks by the pit bull breed.
The next closest was Rottweiler at 481 attacks.
That is a difference of 1504. Find 1504 discrepencies(sp), I might believe you then.

1505 discrepancies. Did they do any blood tests? They didn't mention any. So there for NONE of the tests can be accountable.
MANY MANY dogs look like pits but are not related to PITS by any means.
Look at a lot of these attacks on the news and stuff they will see a fluffy brown dog and call it a pit!!! When it looks more like a chow mix!
You sound like obama saying we need to get rid of guns because guns kill people. Classifying all pit bulls are bad because they attack people when their is NO DNA test to see if they even have pit in them!
If you want credible info we need to see DNA tests to see what bloodlines these dogs have. Obviously people just looking at dogs shows their ignorance in their knowledge of different breeds.
Have you ever owned a pit? Have you spent a good amount of time with a pit? If you haven't you don't know the breed and you're just as bad as all of the closed minded biased sites and people.
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#3199553 - 03/21/13 02:09 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
Well, back to my original question...
Are false charges usually a part of a dogs attack?
Ive had run-ins with other dogs in my lifetime, but never had a charging attack like that before.
For the record, i didnt intend to get any anti-breed conversation going.

Also, if ANY breed large dog was attacking you and you didnt gave a firearm to defend yourself, what would you do? Or, take it one step further, what if the large dog was attacking your kids and you didnt have a firearm? How would you handle it?

A balled up fist, shoved into their throat as far as possible works pretty well...
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#3199554 - 03/21/13 02:09 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
Well, back to my original question...
Are false charges usually a part of a dogs attack?
Ive had run-ins with other dogs in my lifetime, but never had a charging attack like that before.
For the record, i didnt intend to get any anti-breed conversation going.

Also, if ANY breed large dog was attacking you and you didnt gave a firearm to defend yourself, what would you do? Or, take it one step further, what if the large dog was attacking your kids and you didnt have a firearm? How would you handle it?

We all jumped off topic.
I have been attacked by a large German Sheperd when I was installing cable. I was told when something like that happens kick them in the throat as hard as possible. It actually worked.
I had a German Sheperd coming at me showing his teeth and growing he was a few feet away and I kicked him as hard as I could in the throat. He did die about 10 mins later BUT it was me or him.
Another instance a random fluffy dog (not a pitbull) came into my yard and attacked my dog bear. I hit him in the face repeatedly and he didn't let go. I got behind him and got him in a choke hold as tightly as possible. I stood up with him in the choke hold stance holding him off the ground. After 5 seconds of choking him he let go of my dog and just gave up. My wife called animal rescue and they came and picked him up. He passed out but was OK. I don't know what happened after that.
You can kick and punch any dog all day long and they will not let go. Of you have a chain or rope or in my case neither I quickly put him in a choke hold and he let go and passed out.
Probably not the safest way but it got the job done.
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#3199555 - 03/21/13 02:10 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: LB FANATIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LB FANATIC
 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
Well, back to my original question...
Are false charges usually a part of a dogs attack?
Ive had run-ins with other dogs in my lifetime, but never had a charging attack like that before.
For the record, i didnt intend to get any anti-breed conversation going.

Also, if ANY breed large dog was attacking you and you didnt gave a firearm to defend yourself, what would you do? Or, take it one step further, what if the large dog was attacking your kids and you didnt have a firearm? How would you handle it?

A balled up fist, shoved into their throat as far as possible works pretty well...

If they are latched on to something though it's hard to open their mouth once any dog latches on.
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#3199557 - 03/21/13 02:11 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Does the average Joe got out and do blood tests, dna tests, research the blood line before they get one? Nope.
Have I ever owned one? no.
Would I own one? no.
Have I been around them? yes.
Were the friendly? no.
If I saw one in my yard that made any agressive move towards me, my wife or children it would be over for him.
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#3199559 - 03/21/13 02:13 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: CountryBoy053]
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And when my boy is born in the next few weeks and he gets older, if she comes at him, or acts like it, I will not hesitate to kill her dead.


As a father, your comment scares me to death. I hope you never let your son out of sight in your own yard and if you're out there with him I hope you have something at the ready to kill that dog should you need to.
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#3199561 - 03/21/13 02:13 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: de novo]
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I grew up with a pit bull in the 1980's before the hysteria. It's probably in my top 3 favorite pets of all time. A truly awesome dog; however, I wouldn't consider bringing one into my own house around my kids today.

Still depends on the breeders.
A lot of dog breeders in general these days breed the dogs and leave them in kennels.
Every one of our litters which is only normally 1 maybe 2 a year, the female is inside while she has the pups and stays inside when she nurses the pups.
All of out dogs always come in the house at night and anytime were home they are in the house with us.
We take them to the dog park, Home Depot, lowes, pet stores and more to keep them socialized.
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#3199563 - 03/21/13 02:15 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: CountryBoy053
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And when my boy is born in the next few weeks and he gets older, if she comes at him, or acts like it, I will not hesitate to kill her dead.


As a father, your comment scares me to death. I hope you never let your son out of sight in your own yard and if you're out there with him I hope you have something at the ready to kill that dog should you need to.


Most of the time a dog attacks is because someone kits it, kicks it, yells at it, or runs from it.
If you raise your kids not be friendly with dogs they will great.
We've had anywhere from 1 month old to 12 year old kids play with our pits and they just have a blast.
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#3199568 - 03/21/13 02:19 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Most of the time isn't good enough...
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#3199572 - 03/21/13 02:23 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
Does the average Joe got out and do blood tests, dna tests, research the blood line before they get one? Nope.
Have I ever owned one? no.
Would I own one? no.
Have I been around them? yes.
Were the friendly? no.
If I saw one in my yard that made any agressive move towards me, my wife or children it would be over for him.

ACUTALLY a lot of people that get dogs from resuces and pounds do have blood tests. If you get a full bred you know what your getting. Just like ANY other breed if they are raised wrong yes they can be aggressive. Even Great Danes can be aggressive and they are known to be couch potatoes.
Were you around a positive 100% known pitbull most likely not.
If I had any dog that came into my yard that looked aggressive I would shoot it. Doesn't matter if it was a pit or not that's a given.
Pitbulls don't just have some random burts of aggression like people think. They are not mentally unstable.
Our first pit we had was 21" tall with a 22" head and weight 90+ lbs. My mom came over and was terrified by him. I finally got her to go in our back yard by herself and she fell in love with him. NOW she isn't afraid of any of our pits nor my friends pits when they come over. She listened to all of the biased people about pits. Once she seen our dogs WITHOUT me there she fell in love with all of our dogs.
The neighborhood kids comes and jumps our fence to play with our dogs almost everyday and sometimes we have 8 or more pits in the back yard at one time. (Not all 8 are mine, my friends bring their pits too) All of the neighborhood kids have a blast playing with our dogs. Not single kid has gotten bitten nor even one shown their teeth.
You are misinformed about pits and it's sad you judge them so harshly but know very little about them.
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#3199573 - 03/21/13 02:25 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
Most of the time isn't good enough...

Note I said dog attacks. NOT pitbull attacks.

Does anybody on here also know that dogs used as bait for fighting dogs MOST of the time is not pits either????
People will get free dogs off craigslist and off the street and use them for bait. NOT just pits.
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#3199586 - 03/21/13 02:35 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
Most of the time isn't good enough...

Note I said dog attacks. NOT pitbull attacks.

Does anybody on here also know that dogs used as bait for fighting dogs MOST of the time is not pits either????
People will get free dogs off craigslist and off the street and use them for bait. NOT just pits.
Of course. They want bait that wont bite back.
But seriously, I worked with a guy that raised pits for fighting. He would never be around more than one at a time. And he always had a pistol with him, and his partner. But yes your dogs do look gentle, And I hope they continue to be that way.
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#3199617 - 03/21/13 02:58 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
Most of the time isn't good enough...

Note I said dog attacks. NOT pitbull attacks.

Does anybody on here also know that dogs used as bait for fighting dogs MOST of the time is not pits either????
People will get free dogs off craigslist and off the street and use them for bait. NOT just pits.
Of course. They want bait that wont bite back.
But seriously, I worked with a guy that raised pits for fighting. He would never be around more than one at a time. And he always had a pistol with him, and his partner. But yes your dogs do look gentle, And I hope they continue to be that way.


If you raise a dog to fight of course they will be mean!
I would carry my gun with fighting dogs. I would rather shoot the person training their dogs to fight though.
I wouldn't be around a fighting dog at all. Of any breed.
People fight more then Pits though.
My friend that got us into pits they had numerous pits live to be 12-15 years old and never showed their teeth or growled at strangers.
Being around fighting dogs is a WHOLE different world then being around family dogs.
3 years old is our oldest pit and if she isn't laying with us she's sun bathing on our walk way watching people and cars go by.
The only reason his pits are mean is because he trains them to be. Hopefully he goes to jail or gets attacked by his own dogs so he finally gets some sense knocked into him.
You put a fighting dog around one of my pits they will lay down and give up. They get so upset when I even have to tell them more then once to lay down because they hate getting in trouble let alone fighting. They play around with each other and teeth each other they even do it to me when we play around but even when they put their mouth on my arm it's how dogs play.
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#3199620 - 03/21/13 02:59 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ]
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Had the American Pitbull Terrier breed for most of my life. Have them at the present time. Unfortunately the "experts" on the breed are idiots and dont have a clue. The same "experts" never owned one as a pet. My Layla was 44lbs of unconditional love, for 13yrs. She was part of my sons life for his first 5 yrs and she was protective of him and her home. Dog attack headlines dont sale as many papers as "pitbull" attacks do. Any breed and any animal can attack at anytime. Im an advocate for the APBT and most cases its the owners fault when things such as an attack happens. Pitbulls are like guns in a sense, better left out of the hands of idiots! IMO

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#3199623 - 03/21/13 03:03 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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After watching a pit completely take the head of a blue tick completely off in a pen, I have no care to own one or be around one. And before you ask, yes this was a pit... A registered one that was a family dog that was only in a pen due to being in heat. She never showed any aggression towards man or dog but snapped. She was not attacked by the blue tick... And after was human aggressive to the point she was put down. She was in the pen with the blue tick only minutes before killing it.

Having owned and trained several different breeds in my life I refuse to work with any bulldogs beside english and boxer. It's not worth the risk to me.

I've been with the county on several trips to pick up dogs and one thing I've learned about the breed is don't turn your back in them... Them being bulldog breeds... Be it pit or what ever else they may mix up with them. Luckily I haven't been bitten but I've come close on several trips. I've seen them turn on the owner when we went to pick them up since if possible we let the owner control the dog and put them in the box. And no, I was not a dog catcher. I worked with some of the dogs from the sheriffs office and was asked on occasion to assist in handling and transport.

I truly hope you or your family don't end up on the short end of the stick with the breed. Having a German Shepherd I understand the looks you get from some people and the people who fear the breed and not the dog. Even with that said, I do not allow children to be alone with my dog. There is too much unknown with any dog around strange people or kids. He has never bit anyone... And is the smartest dog I have ever trained. There is still the chance of it and I realize that. I see good people snap all the time... I don't want to see him snap when children are involved.
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#3199630 - 03/21/13 03:20 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SilverFox]
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I have an american bulldog he looks nothing like a pit to me but he scares most people by the way he looks lol and they think hes a pit


Scary aint he! Lol
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#3199652 - 03/21/13 03:47 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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And when my boy is born in the next few weeks and he gets older, if she comes at him, or acts like it, I will not hesitate to kill her dead.


As a father, your comment scares me to death. I hope you never let your son out of sight in your own yard and if you're out there with him I hope you have something at the ready to kill that dog should you need to.

Oh trust me, I always have my .40 on my side now when I'm in my yard, for just in case. Once she came at my fiance (she is 5'1 9 months pregnant and only weighs 115) I have a gun at all times. When she tried to attack the first time I picked my fiance up, put her in our dog kennel and beat that dog down till the neighbor came and got her and was mad at me!
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#3199661 - 03/21/13 03:53 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: CountryBoy053]
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And 89cherokee, I plan on having my son around dogs and be friendly with them. I have a 3 year old Boxer, and a 1 year old Bloodhound. But as far as my neighbors demon Pitbull goes, I will kill her if she tries anything else. I will not let something happen to my family.
But as for my son, he will be around dogs, he will learn to respect dogs and be friendly with them.
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#3199664 - 03/21/13 03:54 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: CountryBoy053]
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 Originally Posted By: CountryBoy053
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: CountryBoy053
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And when my boy is born in the next few weeks and he gets older, if she comes at him, or acts like it, I will not hesitate to kill her dead.


As a father, your comment scares me to death. I hope you never let your son out of sight in your own yard and if you're out there with him I hope you have something at the ready to kill that dog should you need to.

Oh trust me, I always have my .40 on my side now when I'm in my yard, for just in case. Once she came at my fiance (she is 5'1 9 months pregnant and only weighs 115) I have a gun at all times. When she tried to attack the first time I picked my fiance up, put her in our dog kennel and beat that dog down till the neighbor came and got her and was mad at me!


And that dog is still alive and getting loose?
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#3199676 - 03/21/13 04:06 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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Yes I have a pit and was raised around pits when I was growing. The pits that I was raised around were fighting dogs. By no means do I agree with dog fighting, nor do I think it is right. But for some reason it seemed to be different then how people go about training them how to fight now. The ones that I was raised around were treated like boxer(human). They were trained (not with bait dogs) running, swimming, etc... When it came down to an actual match the had vets on site that would take care of the dogs. Anyway none of them were human or animal aggressive except in the pit. Pits are like guns to me in a way, if it falls in the wrong hands it can be a sad situation, but in the right hands they are very loving pets.





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#3199683 - 03/21/13 04:12 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Grim Reaper]
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Cute dog isnt he. He attacked and killed a 74 year old jogger. He bolted from the owners house and attacked him. Hese is the victim.
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#3199692 - 03/21/13 04:23 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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A vet at a dog fight...
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#3199695 - 03/21/13 04:30 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Camp David]
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 Originally Posted By: Camp David
 Originally Posted By: CountryBoy053
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: CountryBoy053
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And when my boy is born in the next few weeks and he gets older, if she comes at him, or acts like it, I will not hesitate to kill her dead.


As a father, your comment scares me to death. I hope you never let your son out of sight in your own yard and if you're out there with him I hope you have something at the ready to kill that dog should you need to.

Oh trust me, I always have my .40 on my side now when I'm in my yard, for just in case. Once she came at my fiance (she is 5'1 9 months pregnant and only weighs 115) I have a gun at all times. When she tried to attack the first time I picked my fiance up, put her in our dog kennel and beat that dog down till the neighbor came and got her and was mad at me!


And that dog is still alive and getting loose?


She is alive but no longer gets loose. I showed the owner I. Carry and will have a gun and make sure she stays contained. I tried to be as respectful as possible but still won't take a chance
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#3199703 - 03/21/13 04:46 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ]
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I have a 2 inch scar on my left cheek from my uncle's German Shepard 44 years ago. I was 3. He was house trained and never bitten anyone before. I remember bits and pieces and had bad dreams early as a child. You could see my teeth through the hole in my cheek. [/quote]

Exactly the reason I do not trust my Shepherd around children or adults that are not comfortable around dogs. Any dog... ANY DOG will bite.


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#3199709 - 03/21/13 04:50 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: CountryBoy053]
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first, I cannot believe that no one in my tndeer family thought to post the popcorn-eating smiley somewhere close to the beginning of this thread

second, I once had a pit come up on me while I was turkey hunting three years ago in the middle of my 100 acre farm. He was cruising through the woods and stopped about 30 feet away from me, turning his head towards me. He began growling, showing plenty of teeth, and slowly advancing upon my position. After what seemed like a few steps, he accelerated for a brief period of time... very brief.

third, i failed to conduct the blood test to verify that it was a true pit (as opposed to another breed that resembles a pit).

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#3199713 - 03/21/13 04:54 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
Cute dog isnt he. He attacked and killed a 74 year old jogger. He bolted from the owners house and attacked him. Hese is the victim.


Color me doubtful.....
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#3199723 - 03/21/13 05:06 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
Cute dog isnt he. He attacked and killed a 74 year old jogger. He bolted from the owners house and attacked him. Hese is the victim.



You really show your ignorance to this breed!
This was in Malaysia also. Which dogs are normally not treated very well there.
THIS IS THE DOG THAT ATTACKED THE MAN!This is a BULL TERRIER NOT PITBULL!
You just post a picture of a pitbull to make it look like a pit did it!
The media is too freakin stupid and biased toward pits to point out or even know it is a BULL TERRIER!
Different breed! IT was noted that the people that owned it was ghetto like people that didn't treat their dogs right too! Which can happen to anybody.
This really proves peoples biased closed minded judgement inputs on something they don't know about!


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#3199726 - 03/21/13 05:09 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: muzzy76]
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 Originally Posted By: muzzy76
first, I cannot believe that no one in my tndeer family thought to post the popcorn-eating smiley somewhere close to the beginning of this thread

second, I once had a pit come up on me while I was turkey hunting three years ago in the middle of my 100 acre farm. He was cruising through the woods and stopped about 30 feet away from me, turning his head towards me. He began growling, showing plenty of teeth, and slowly advancing upon my position. After what seemed like a few steps, he accelerated for a brief period of time... very brief.

third, i failed to conduct the blood test to verify that it was a true pit (as opposed to another breed that resembles a pit).


As I said before there is a website that points out all the different breeds that look like a pit. I bet you if you looked at a pit and a few other dogs you would guess wrong which one is an ACTUAL pit.
Pits DON'T I REPEAT DON'T have these sudden aggressive issues people think they do.
You seen an aggressive dog and I guarantee instantly thought pitbull. Just like the media and everybody else that doesn't know pits
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#3199727 - 03/21/13 05:10 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
 Originally Posted By: randy
Cute dog isnt he. He attacked and killed a 74 year old jogger. He bolted from the owners house and attacked him. Hese is the victim.


Color me doubtful.....

He posted yet more nonfactual information.
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#3199731 - 03/21/13 05:15 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SilverFox]
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 Originally Posted By: SilverFox
After watching a pit completely take the head of a blue tick completely off in a pen, I have no care to own one or be around one. And before you ask, yes this was a pit... A registered one that was a family dog that was only in a pen due to being in heat. She never showed any aggression towards man or dog but snapped. She was not attacked by the blue tick... And after was human aggressive to the point she was put down. She was in the pen with the blue tick only minutes before killing it.

Having owned and trained several different breeds in my life I refuse to work with any bulldogs beside english and boxer. It's not worth the risk to me.

I've been with the county on several trips to pick up dogs and one thing I've learned about the breed is don't turn your back in them... Them being bulldog breeds... Be it pit or what ever else they may mix up with them. Luckily I haven't been bitten but I've come close on several trips. I've seen them turn on the owner when we went to pick them up since if possible we let the owner control the dog and put them in the box. And no, I was not a dog catcher. I worked with some of the dogs from the sheriffs office and was asked on occasion to assist in handling and transport.

I truly hope you or your family don't end up on the short end of the stick with the breed. Having a German Shepherd I understand the looks you get from some people and the people who fear the breed and not the dog. Even with that said, I do not allow children to be alone with my dog. There is too much unknown with any dog around strange people or kids. He has never bit anyone... And is the smartest dog I have ever trained. There is still the chance of it and I realize that. I see good people snap all the time... I don't want to see him snap when children are involved.

When ANY female dog is in heat they DO get aggressive at points. My female Miley never cared one bit if anybody or any animal was around her she didn't even mind when she had the pups.
It's all in how they were raised.

Even a backyard full of pits kids play with ours all the time and we have never had one single issue.
The kids try to ride them, pull their eyes, tail, lips, poke them in the eyes and never one mean aggressive actions towards any person.
Were talking over atleast 12 pits over past few years between my pits, my in laws and some of my friends. They are all raised to be family pets and are socialized everywhere even dog parks.
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#3199734 - 03/21/13 05:18 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I wasn't implying it was a pit bull. I was merely showing how a dog can look so cute one minute and be a ruthless killer the next.
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#3199749 - 03/21/13 05:31 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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I am a huge fan of pits, shepherds, rotts, doberman, and all the other "dangerous breeds." With that being said, there is conclusive proof that certain breeds such as dalmatians and pits have been inbred so much that many have psychological issues and you never know which one will snap or at what time. On the other hand, they could be the nicest dog in the world. You just never know. However, it is not correct to label an entire breed as dangerous and it has as much or more to do with the environment that the animal was raised in than anything else. I dont care what your personal opinion is on the matter, these are scientifically tested facts.
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#3199758 - 03/21/13 05:42 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
I wasn't implying it was a pit bull. I was merely showing how a dog can look so cute one minute and be a ruthless killer the next.

Well you had it implied that was the dog.
This was your quote "Cute dog isnt he. He attacked and killed a 74 year old jogger. He bolted from the owners house and attacked him. Hese is the victim."
not only that but the dog that attacked the jogger wasn't a pit.
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#3199759 - 03/21/13 05:42 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I'm gonna be nice for once...

89 it's obvious you're not gonna listen. I can tell by your post you're new to the breed and breeding of dogs. I hope you're never on the receiving end of an aggressive dog... It's no fun I can promise you that.

Just a little back info... The owner of the pit that killed the blue tick has raised, not bought, several world champion dogs. Dogs will snap... This is true.

Good luck.
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#3199771 - 03/21/13 05:54 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SilverFox]
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I'm gonna be nice for once...

89 it's obvious you're not gonna listen. I can tell by your post you're new to the breed and breeding of dogs. I hope you're never on the receiving end of an aggressive dog... It's no fun I can promise you that.

Just a little back info... The owner of the pit that killed the blue tick has raised, not bought, several world champion dogs. Dogs will snap... This is true.

Good luck.

I'm by far new to the breed and BY far new to breeding.
I've been around pits since I was a kid.
My first one my wife and I owned together and breed we got her a few yeas back.
We had a pit mix when I was growing up and we had a retriever. Our retriever Rex bit me when I was young. Our pit mix never did anything to any of us.
I'm around atleast 6 or more pits every single day for the past 3 years. I watch some of my friends dogs at my house since I have a yard.
Dogs in general will snap YES but to point out that all PITS will just lash out and snap is ignorant and uneducated. Just because someone raised champion dogs has NOTHING to do with aggression. You yourself seems ignorant when it comes to dogs. If you read my other posts, I have been on the receiving end of aggressive dogs. I have been bit numerous times. I can count atleast 12 times. BUT not a single pitbull. Sheperds, Chows, Great Dane, Black lab, Choc lab, and a few mutts.

Your not going to listen. You are closed minded and biased it seems like.
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#3199773 - 03/21/13 05:56 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SilverFox]
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 Originally Posted By: SilverFox
After watching a pit completely take the head of a blue tick completely off in a pen, I have no care to own one or be around one. And before you ask, yes this was a pit... A registered one that was a family dog that was only in a pen due to being in heat. She never showed any aggression towards man or dog but snapped. She was not attacked by the blue tick... And after was human aggressive to the point she was put down. She was in the pen with the blue tick only minutes before killing it.

Having owned and trained several different breeds in my life I refuse to work with any bulldogs beside english and boxer. It's not worth the risk to me.

I've been with the county on several trips to pick up dogs and one thing I've learned about the breed is don't turn your back in them... Them being bulldog breeds... Be it pit or what ever else they may mix up with them. Luckily I haven't been bitten but I've come close on several trips. I've seen them turn on the owner when we went to pick them up since if possible we let the owner control the dog and put them in the box. And no, I was not a dog catcher. I worked with some of the dogs from the sheriffs office and was asked on occasion to assist in handling and transport.

I truly hope you or your family don't end up on the short end of the stick with the breed. Having a German Shepherd I understand the looks you get from some people and the people who fear the breed and not the dog. Even with that said, I do not allow children to be alone with my dog. There is too much unknown with any dog around strange people or kids. He has never bit anyone... And is the smartest dog I have ever trained. There is still the chance of it and I realize that. I see good people snap all the time... I don't want to see him snap when children are involved.
Very sane post.
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#3199775 - 03/21/13 05:56 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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#3199776 - 03/21/13 05:58 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
I am a huge fan of pits, shepherds, rotts, doberman, and all the other "dangerous breeds." With that being said, there is conclusive proof that certain breeds such as dalmatians and pits have been inbred so much that many have psychological issues and you never know which one will snap or at what time. On the other hand, they could be the nicest dog in the world. You just never know. However, it is not correct to label an entire breed as dangerous and it has as much or more to do with the environment that the animal was raised in than anything else. I dont care what your personal opinion is on the matter, these are scientifically tested facts.


Where is the scientific proof? I have looked for a few years trying to find proof of pitbulls are bred mentally unstable but never have I been able to find proof?
I do know ANY breed that is inbred tends to be mentally unstable but that's when people breed the pups together not so much mom to pup or dad to pup.
BUT good breeders that know breeding at all they find a dog they want the pups to look like and breed to them. I know of a full pitbull community and not one single person inbreeds their dogs.
Please show some scientifical facts that show it I would love to see actual facts instead of people saying there is facts tests have been done.... Don't know where but they have been done.
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#3199780 - 03/21/13 06:02 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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#3199782 - 03/21/13 06:04 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Timber Ghost]
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 Originally Posted By: Timber Ghost
 Originally Posted By: SilverFox
After watching a pit completely take the head of a blue tick completely off in a pen, I have no care to own one or be around one. And before you ask, yes this was a pit... A registered one that was a family dog that was only in a pen due to being in heat. She never showed any aggression towards man or dog but snapped. She was not attacked by the blue tick... And after was human aggressive to the point she was put down. She was in the pen with the blue tick only minutes before killing it.

Having owned and trained several different breeds in my life I refuse to work with any bulldogs beside english and boxer. It's not worth the risk to me.

I've been with the county on several trips to pick up dogs and one thing I've learned about the breed is don't turn your back in them... Them being bulldog breeds... Be it pit or what ever else they may mix up with them. Luckily I haven't been bitten but I've come close on several trips. I've seen them turn on the owner when we went to pick them up since if possible we let the owner control the dog and put them in the box. And no, I was not a dog catcher. I worked with some of the dogs from the sheriffs office and was asked on occasion to assist in handling and transport.

I truly hope you or your family don't end up on the short end of the stick with the breed. Having a German Shepherd I understand the looks you get from some people and the people who fear the breed and not the dog. Even with that said, I do not allow children to be alone with my dog. There is too much unknown with any dog around strange people or kids. He has never bit anyone... And is the smartest dog I have ever trained. There is still the chance of it and I realize that. I see good people snap all the time... I don't want to see him snap when children are involved.
Very sane post.

Very sane post indeed.
I'm more careful of my Sheperd mutt looking dog bear then any of my pits.
My friend Richard has bred pits for 12 years and all of kids have been around pits. Not one single accident. He's the one I got my first full bred pit from.
None of our dogs are around abuse, they don't get yelled at, they don't get beat and they are the sweetest dogs ever.
Pits don't just go crazy and bite people.
If they did I'm pretty sure we would've had an accident by now.
8 or 9 pits around each other and kids playing with them and not one single accident. One of them was even pregnant at the time i'm pretty sure it's not the breed. But the breeder.
Not only that but a lot of dogs on the street end up going feral and yes they can turn aggressive after becoming feral but yet again that is with any breed.
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#3199794 - 03/21/13 06:10 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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89, I think you're making the mistake of assuming 2 things; 1. No one is saying YOUR pits are dangerous. 2. All pits are like your pits.

Neither of these is true. Pits get a bad rap because they are used for fighting, but there is a reason they are used for fighting instead of a different breed. Any dog can and will bite, sure, but some dogs are much more likely to attack than others.

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#3199800 - 03/21/13 06:13 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: bowhunterfanatic]
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#3199807 - 03/21/13 06:18 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
I am a huge fan of pits, shepherds, rotts, doberman, and all the other "dangerous breeds." With that being said, there is conclusive proof that certain breeds such as dalmatians and pits have been inbred so much that many have psychological issues and you never know which one will snap or at what time. On the other hand, they could be the nicest dog in the world. You just never know. However, it is not correct to label an entire breed as dangerous and it has as much or more to do with the environment that the animal was raised in than anything else. I dont care what your personal opinion is on the matter, these are scientifically tested facts.


Where is the scientific proof? I have looked for a few years trying to find proof of pitbulls are bred mentally unstable but never have I been able to find proof?
I do know ANY breed that is inbred tends to be mentally unstable but that's when people breed the pups together not so much mom to pup or dad to pup.
BUT good breeders that know breeding at all they find a dog they want the pups to look like and breed to them. I know of a full pitbull community and not one single person inbreeds their dogs.
Please show some scientifical facts that show it I would love to see actual facts instead of people saying there is facts tests have been done.... Don't know where but they have been done.



If you look at the major breed registries and breeding groups then you will see that inbreeding and linebreeding is something that is very commonly advocated for on their websites of their publications. You have already acknowledged that inbreeding is harmful to the dogs and since it is known that dogs are inbreed, why is it such a stretch of the imagination to figure that pitbulls are inbred as well?
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#3199808 - 03/21/13 06:21 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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#3199810 - 03/21/13 06:24 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: strutandrut]
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I heard the black panther got him.
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#3199816 - 03/21/13 06:32 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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[img][/img] This is Daisey our german shephard. This dog wouldnt dare think about biting any of our family. Now a stranger? I dont think so. We had a house sitter come let her out. They had never met each other. She gave him absolutely no problems. Are all german shephards like her? No. I hope your dogs never give you trouble.
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#3199830 - 03/21/13 06:43 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??
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#3199857 - 03/21/13 07:08 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNLynn]
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So anyway, what do y'all think about raising pit bulls for hog hunting?
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#3199869 - 03/21/13 07:21 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNLynn]
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 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

Yep, pits are dangerous, and unpredictable. One nearly killed our dog on our front porch. I can't imagine anyone wanting their kids around one. Russian roulette comes to mind.
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#3199898 - 03/21/13 07:58 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: dr]
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My wife shaves her pits....
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#3199932 - 03/21/13 08:36 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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 Originally Posted By: Carlos Viagra
My wife shaves her pits....


Well..I just spit and spewed Diet Coke everywhere!!!!!!!! That was funny right there.

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#3199949 - 03/21/13 08:51 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: eightpointer]
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#3199978 - 03/21/13 09:09 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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My wife rescued one as a puppy from the pound.. she thought it was a boxer..she named him "rocky".. rocky grew into the biggest "pit" I have ever been around.. loveable as a teddy bear.. when my daughter was 5-6 she had a birthday party and when one of the little girls was getting into the car to go home rocky came up behind her and bit her... rocky moved the next day...
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#3200066 - 03/21/13 09:58 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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 Originally Posted By: DirtyBear0311
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
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I am a huge fan of pits, shepherds, rotts, doberman, and all the other "dangerous breeds." With that being said, there is conclusive proof that certain breeds such as dalmatians and pits have been inbred so much that many have psychological issues and you never know which one will snap or at what time. On the other hand, they could be the nicest dog in the world. You just never know. However, it is not correct to label an entire breed as dangerous and it has as much or more to do with the environment that the animal was raised in than anything else. I dont care what your personal opinion is on the matter, these are scientifically tested facts.


Where is the scientific proof? I have looked for a few years trying to find proof of pitbulls are bred mentally unstable but never have I been able to find proof?
I do know ANY breed that is inbred tends to be mentally unstable but that's when people breed the pups together not so much mom to pup or dad to pup.
BUT good breeders that know breeding at all they find a dog they want the pups to look like and breed to them. I know of a full pitbull community and not one single person inbreeds their dogs.
Please show some scientifical facts that show it I would love to see actual facts instead of people saying there is facts tests have been done.... Don't know where but they have been done.



If you look at the major breed registries and breeding groups then you will see that inbreeding and linebreeding is something that is very commonly advocated for on their websites of their publications. You have already acknowledged that inbreeding is harmful to the dogs and since it is known that dogs are inbreed, why is it such a stretch of the imagination to figure that pitbulls are inbred as well?

To say ALL pitbulls are inbred is a wrong accusation.
None of my pits are inbred at all. It is considered inbred when a male and female pup bred together and it is inline breeding when a parent is bred to a pup. WHICH doesn't cause issues at all. Breeders know that and if you have a litter that is inbred you run the risk of birth defects which MOST breeders don't want because you can't sell or show them with birth defects.
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#3200069 - 03/21/13 09:59 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: strutandrut]
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 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
So, what do y'all think about a one buck limit?


It'll only work if you bait with Zija \:D \:D \:D
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#3200071 - 03/21/13 10:01 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: dr]
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 Originally Posted By: dr
 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

Yep, pits are dangerous, and unpredictable. One nearly killed our dog on our front porch. I can't imagine anyone wanting their kids around one. Russian roulette comes to mind.

Closed minded ignorant comes to mind. Pits are not dangerous and unpredictable.
Closed minded uneducated ignorant people are dangerous because they feel like they know everything.
Just like liberals..................
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#3200081 - 03/21/13 10:04 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNLynn]
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 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

I don't like any stray on my land I understand that.

But just to say if it looks like a pit it's dead but if it looks like a retriever it's fine. Is just plain ignorant.
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#3200084 - 03/21/13 10:07 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I figured I would hear close minded ignorant thoughts from a liberal site but not TNDEER.
Comes to light that A LOT of people on here are so close minded and ignorant it's sad. Just as sad as liberals destroying our country.
Kinda scares me on how bad some people on here are are being so close minded and ignorant. It's sad
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#3200101 - 03/21/13 10:22 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Anything with a mind of its on and a set of teeth will and can bite at anytime and anyone that doesn't think so is the ignorant one. And I'm not saying "pits" I'm saying anything and not bashing the breed itself.
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#3200104 - 03/21/13 10:22 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I gotta tell ya 89..you bout had to figure you would catch a bunch of crap about pits. You seem like a nice fella. Don't let it ruffle your feathers. Everybody has a kind of bad thought about these dogs. They just seem a bit scary and we as humans don't like to be scared.
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#3200105 - 03/21/13 10:24 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: eightpointer]
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Well the media has put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth bc anytime a pit attacks it will make headlines..
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#3200122 - 03/21/13 10:33 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNTomtaker01]
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 Originally Posted By: TNTomtaker01
Anything with a mind of its on and a set of teeth will and can bite at anytime and anyone that doesn't think so is the ignorant one. And I'm not saying "pits" I'm saying anything and not bashing the breed itself.

Oh ya any animal can attack. Especially if they are raised wrong. Just like humans
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#3200129 - 03/21/13 10:37 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: eightpointer]
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 Originally Posted By: eightpointer
I gotta tell ya 89..you bout had to figure you would catch a bunch of crap about pits. You seem like a nice fella. Don't let it ruffle your feathers. Everybody has a kind of bad thought about these dogs. They just seem a bit scary and we as humans don't like to be scared.


Thanks. My only pet peeve is ignorance.
It only makes me mad because I have had people say i'm a bad person or I don't care about kids because I let them around my pits.
When non of my pits have ever even shown their teeth to anybody.
That's the only reason it gets to me. First person to say i'm a bad parent when I have kids and I have my pits around them they will really set me off.
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#3200132 - 03/21/13 10:38 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNTomtaker01]
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 Originally Posted By: TNTomtaker01
Well the media has put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth bc anytime a pit attacks it will make headlines..


Ya it wouldn't be so bad if they even could verify all attacks were pits. But people just look at an aggressive dog and say pit! Even though it is something way off that has no pit in it what so ever.
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#3200134 - 03/21/13 10:40 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNTomtaker01]
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Why take the chance? WHO SAID a retriver got a free pass? Why have a dog that CAN change a happy family forever?????? Odds are much better than the lottery that a dog will snap. Heck, I know more than one very sain person that has snapped. WHY have so much faith in a DOG????
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#3200138 - 03/21/13 10:43 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I've been around some pits that kinda give you that bad feeling and some that think they are lap dogs raising and socializing a dog has a lot to do with its nature. Most of the pits that are dangerous have been tied in back yards and their only experience with humans is when they get fed.
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#3200143 - 03/21/13 10:47 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNLynn]
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i have a pit and a lab. both of them are very friendly. i never was a dog person until i got my pitbull. never have i seen such a loyal animal. and he is very protective of my 2 young boys. he wont let the kids out of his sight. wherever the boys go is where he goes. he does bark when someone comes over so hopefully i can get him broke of that.
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#3200144 - 03/21/13 10:47 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: eightpointer
I gotta tell ya 89..you bout had to figure you would catch a bunch of crap about pits. You seem like a nice fella. Don't let it ruffle your feathers. Everybody has a kind of bad thought about these dogs. They just seem a bit scary and we as humans don't like to be scared.


Thanks. My only pet peeve is ignorance.
It only makes me mad because I have had people say i'm a bad person or I don't care about kids because I let them around my pits.
When non of my pits have ever even shown their teeth to anybody.
That's the only reason it gets to me. First person to say i'm a bad parent when I have kids and I have my pits around them they will really set me off.

The first time one of your pits show their teeth to someone may be the last time that person is alive! Odds are it won't happen, but what will be your statement if it does?
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#3200157 - 03/21/13 11:12 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TNLynn]
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Ive only ever seen one bad pitt and part of its problem was it was abused and starved by a bunch of druggies. My buddy has a couple of them and i even dog sat them while he was out of town. I always had my pistoul on me but they never showd any signs of aggression and are very sweet and playfull dogs. I personally wouldnt let my kids around them without me being there just because of all ive herd about them. Ive been bitten by germanshepards and have been cornerd by a rott before, but the meanest dogs ive ever had to deal with was a chow. Ive had to kill two of those that went from being good pets to killing livestock and the other snaped and came at my pregnant wife.
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#3200218 - 03/22/13 04:09 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
One misconception of pits. MOST attacks reported by pits once a DNA test is done the DNA shows no signs of pit in the blood.


I don't buy that at all. The center for Disease control Statistics pretty much mirror statistics in an independent dog attack study resulting in death. In deaths I am sure more than a media account was used to determine the breed of a dog. Most likely it was the owner or a veterinarian that determined the breed while the dog was sequestered(most of the time that is mandatory).

the studies show that more than half (56% from 1998 through 2012)of the fatalities every year involving a dog are attributed to pit bull or pit bull mixes. Rottweilers (or Rott mixes) account for about 11% of deaths. So 2 breeds (and their mixes) account for more than 2/3 of all fatalities.

These stats are for deaths, deaths. Again deaths require pretty extensive investigation by people who know what they are doing, so I don't think there is a media bias against Pits, or a case of mistaken identity in play here. True all dogs can be dangerous, but some are by their physical makeup more dangerous than others.

I wouldn't support banning any breed, but I would support measures to assure people who have dangerous animals of any kind have to take certain precautions to keep their animals secure.

Dog bite statistics
http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/Dog_Attacks_1982-2006_Clifton.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
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#3200224 - 03/22/13 04:42 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited

Even a backyard full of pits kids play with ours all the time and we have never had one single issue.


That is a pretty common comment following most dog attack stories...not just Pits.

no one thinks their dog will bite.



Edited by BamaProud (03/22/13 09:02 AM)
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#3200240 - 03/22/13 05:14 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
So, what do y'all think about a one buck limit?


It'll only work if you bait with Zija \:D \:D \:D


^There it is^ \:\)
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#3200441 - 03/22/13 09:29 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
So, what do y'all think about a one buck limit?


It'll only work if you bait with Zija \:D \:D \:D


^There it is^ \:\)


You can now revel in my successful implementation of the TRIFECTA!

\:D \:D \:D

All we lack now is a lewd picture to get this thing locked down for good \:D
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#3200466 - 03/22/13 09:59 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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For those that encounter dogs at a high instance where non lethal means are required have suggested to me in the past a quality water pistol fill with ammonia works wonders to deter them...works for the homeless, bums, and vagrants as well....a double shot to the face area can be a good deterrent.
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#3200482 - 03/22/13 10:21 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP

It'll only work if you bait with Zija \:D \:D \:D

 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow

^There it is^ \:\)

 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP

You can now revel in my successful implementation of the TRIFECTA!

\:D \:D \:D


Gotta give you props \:D .
Good, clean, clever humor right there - LMAO.
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#3200569 - 03/22/13 11:33 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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#3200576 - 03/22/13 11:37 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SilverFox]
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I don't think the big issue... At least for me, is you having pits. My issue is the kids. Of course it's your kids and not mine. I just hate reading headlines and watching parents on tv when their life is turned upside down by the senseless loss of a child.

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#3200586 - 03/22/13 11:50 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: dr
 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

Yep, pits are dangerous, and unpredictable. One nearly killed our dog on our front porch. I can't imagine anyone wanting their kids around one. Russian roulette comes to mind.

Closed minded ignorant comes to mind. Pits are not dangerous and unpredictable.
Closed minded uneducated ignorant people are dangerous because they feel like they know everything.
Just like liberals..................

Just because someone happens to disagree, does not mean they are "ignorant, close minded, uneducated, or liberal". But, this seems to be the knee jerk response from most pit bull defenders..
BTW, Personal attacks, and name calling members that don't agree is against forum rules.
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#3200599 - 03/22/13 12:04 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: dr]
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August 2011:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/aug/04/boys-ears-torn-head-during-newport-dog-attack/

A 10-year-old boy flown by medical helicopter to the University of Tennessee Medical Center after being mauled by a dog was listed in serious condition this afternoon, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Brandon Williams, whose ears were torn from his head and sustained bite marks to his entire body, was attacked by a pit-bull mix Wednesday at a home in the 1000 block of Branch Drive in Newport, according to a Cocke County Sheriff's Department report.

The dog's owners, Jennifer R. Switzer, 21, and Anthony L. Lugar, 22, both of 1009 Branch Drive, were arrested following the afternoon attack on a charge of allowing animals to run at large with serious bodily injury, according to their respective arrest reports.


...and God Bless Him here is a visual for you.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/dec/25/newport-boy-who-lost-ears-in-dog-attack-remains/



Oh, I forgot it was only a Pit Bull mix not a real pit bull and it looks like maybe another dog was involved.



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#3200601 - 03/22/13 12:05 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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Let's bring it home with a video:

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/183828/2/Shriners-help-replace-ears-of-Newport-boy-attacked-by-dog
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#3202057 - 03/23/13 11:25 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
I figured I would hear close minded ignorant thoughts from a liberal site but not TNDEER.
Comes to light that A LOT of people on here are so close minded and ignorant it's sad. Just as sad as liberals destroying our country.
Kinda scares me on how bad some people on here are are being so close minded and ignorant. It's sad



Listen here, just because somebody has a different opinion than your own does not mean that they are being ignorant or closed minded. That is very liberal of you and sounds like a bunch of bulls*t to me. Are people not entitled to different ideas? The great thing about sires like these are that people have the opportunity to discuss matters with each other and try to argue their point. At some point though, you have to realize that there are some things that cant be agreed upon and then just move on. I say that it is very childish to throw a fit and start calling people names just because they dont agree with you. I will now drop this whole matter because you have your ideas and others and myself have our own.
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#3202445 - 03/24/13 12:51 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: DirtyBear0311]
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I don't wait for them to attack. If you happened to live in north Rutherford county and your rott disappeared bout ten years ago I know where he went. No dog is going to growl at me in my yard.
Case in point for unpredictably, My daddy had a pair of beagles , yep beagles , when we were growing up in Nashville. They were both friendly as ever as most beagles are. One day without ANY provocation , the male attacked my sister who was about two at the time . If me an my brothers were not out there in the backyard no telling where this would have ended. Who wooda thunk ! ANY dog has the potential to return to their roots and kill !

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#3202530 - 03/24/13 02:38 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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Of all the dog breeds to choose from why a Pitt or similar?

Sure they CAN be sweet wonderful dogs, but what unique qualities do they possess that can't be found in other dogs?

1. Fur? Nope all dogs have fur. IF you want a soft fuzzy animal to pet, a pitt is like petting a moldy bologna. Short coat on a pile of muscle. On a scale of 1-10 for pet-ability it gets a 5.

2. Size. Medium to large. Hmmmm LOTS of other breeds able to fill the size requirement.

3.Personality. Pitts personality cover the whole range of personalities. From sweet and meek to aggressive and dangerous. From mellow to hyper. Nothing unique or special here.

4. Intelligence. Well you pretty much never see Pitts in those trick dog competitions or retriever/field trials. That leads you to believe that exceptional intelligence is not a dominant trait. So they are in with the pack somewhere and not at the head of the class for intelligence as a breed.

So WHAT ONE feature do they possess that makes them so attractive?

IT is either the REPUTATION for aggression and being a killer, The INTIMIDATION factor of such a reputation, or the ACTUAL AGGRESSION/KILLER ability for things like hog hunting, dog fighting, or guard dogs.

How many people NEED a catch dog or a guard dog with the ability to KILL or MAIM an intruder? Probably not many.

I think people get certain breeds of dogs for STUPID reasons. Be it the apartment dweller who gets a Visla cause they are "cool dogs" and then has their apartment destroyed regularly by a hyper dog, to the pitt owner who takes on unnecessary risk by getting a "dangerous breed" because they want the image of being some kind of dangerous and cool.

I think people should be ALLOWED to do what they want without government interference. BUT people need to be RESPONSIBLE for their decisions. You want a tiger wearing a laser on its head? Fine... but you better be willing and able to handle the responsibility and consequences for your decisions.
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#3202551 - 03/24/13 03:07 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: fishboy1]
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#3202564 - 03/24/13 03:17 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: beachguy]
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I spent a little over a year around 3 Pits on a daily basis. I was bitten on the wrist once without any provocation or warning. Just minding my own business and it bit me. thankfully it didn't lock down.

Had to super glue bite gashes multiple times on two of them because they would fight for no reason. Sweet disposition one moment and growling and showing teeth the next. The owner kept telling how the "dogs, just love you so much".

I have no use for the breed.
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#3202568 - 03/24/13 03:22 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: beachguy]
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spin it how you want folks but I'm a firm believer in stats, trends and facts. it is what it is. a pit will enter my yard once if I can get to my rifle.
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#3202997 - 03/25/13 04:10 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1

Sure they CAN be sweet wonderful dogs, but what unique qualities do they possess that can't be found in other dogs?


Very good question. Persistence maybe? ;\)


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#3203392 - 03/25/13 01:25 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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#3203473 - 03/25/13 03:27 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.
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#3203484 - 03/25/13 03:38 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: rukiddin?]
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Blackbelt, to answer your question. The times I did deal with aggressive pit bulls, only one time did a pit cross the "point of no return". Most would run and back themselves into a corner and bark and growl and never have any intentions of biting. They were just scared. I would on occasion have pits, do exactly what you described but would never fully commit. Now keep in mind, my goal was catching the dog. Most would charge off the porch, and once they saw I was not backing down, they would run get on the porch. In no way am I telling you that is the case all the time. And I was trained specifically how to handle those situations, so please don't assume every pit, or any dog will do that.
I could read a pit and tell you what it was gonna do before I ever got out of the truck. You see enough of'em, and there one of the easiest dogs to read. That was always my problem with rotties. You never knew if they were gonna charge or come running up wanting to be petted. Chows and sharpei's, it was "game on" every time. I hated those dam dogs.
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#3203537 - 03/25/13 04:31 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: rukiddin?]
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You're entitled to your own opinion, but it doesn't change mine. My impression is that a number of pit bull owners have them because they think it's macho to own a bad a$$ dog, are dealing drugs, or like to intimidate-impress people. And, some of these dogs are intentionally trained by said individuals to be mean.
I've had dealings with them as well. One tore the head off about a dozen of my neighbors goats in one night. Several weeks later, it nearly killed my dog on my front porch. I've known others that have owned them, and I never trusted any of them. These dogs have the potential to easily maim, or kill, and I don't want them around my family . BTW, I don't get my info from the liberal media. There are plenty of documented attacks, and deaths attributed to these dogs. I don't care for chows, or rotweilers either.
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#3203545 - 03/25/13 04:41 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: dr]
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Moose Tracks Ice Cream is awesome. I don't eat sweets anymore, but if I did, it would be Moose Tracks.
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#3203547 - 03/25/13 04:41 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: strutandrut]
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#3203561 - 03/25/13 05:00 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: rukiddin?]
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 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.
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#3203568 - 03/25/13 05:03 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: strutandrut]
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 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
Moose Tracks Ice Cream is awesome. I don't eat sweets anymore, but if I did, it would be Moose Tracks.

Or, a big nanner split. Kay's ice cream used to make one called the Showboat. It had 6 scoops ice cream, and a bunch of toppings.
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#3203570 - 03/25/13 05:04 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: dr]
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 Originally Posted By: dr
You're entitled to your own opinion, but it doesn't change mine. My impression is that a number of pit bull owners have them because they think it's macho to own a bad a$$ dog, are dealing drugs, or like to intimidate-impress people. And, some of these dogs are intentionally trained by said individuals to be mean.
I've had dealings with them as well. One tore the head off about a dozen of my neighbors goats in one night. Several weeks later, it nearly killed my dog on my front porch. I've known others that have owned them, and I never trusted any of them. These dogs have the potential to easily maim, or kill, and I don't want them around my family . BTW, I don't get my info from the liberal media. There are plenty of documented attacks, and deaths attributed to these dogs. I don't care for chows, or rotweilers either.


I never said anything about pits and "animal aggressiveness". A large percentage I dealt with were never human aggressive, but were extremely "animal aggressive". My observations on that were not relevant to the conversation so I did'nt go there. In other words, yes, I'm familiar with pits and their "fondness" for other critters. But as with everything else, other breeds were guilty as well.


Edited by rukiddin? (03/25/13 05:05 PM)
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#3203573 - 03/25/13 05:04 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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One other thing.

EVERY SINGLE pit owner whose dog was involved in an attack on a human told the police that their dog NEVER DID ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE, every one of them.
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#3203574 - 03/25/13 05:07 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Wildcat]
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Thanks strut, there is a Klondike ice cream sandwich in there and now I got to go eat it.
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#3203578 - 03/25/13 05:11 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: RUGER]
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Thanks strut, there is a Klondike ice cream sandwich in there and now I got to go eat it.


Any time. \:D
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#3203582 - 03/25/13 05:11 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


I'm not pro pit nor am I anti-pit. But I do feel like with my experiences I'm more qualified than most on the subject. I do understand human emotion is very strong force. If you don't take anything else away from this, please know that the dogs "documented" as pit bulls, are not always pit bulls. I know this for fact. It all depends on the "professional" that is asked what the dog is. Seen it done MULTIPLE times. Seen'em get it wrong many times, but that was above my pay grade to bring up.
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#3203584 - 03/25/13 05:14 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: strutandrut]
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 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
Moose Tracks Ice Cream is awesome. I don't eat sweets anymore, but if I did, it would be Moose Tracks.

I need a banana split in a cup from Carl's Drive In now. I guess I can eat yogurt for b'fast and lunch tomorrow and my B split for supper. \:\)
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#3203623 - 03/25/13 05:46 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
Well, back to my original question...
Are false charges usually a part of a dogs attack?
Ive had run-ins with other dogs in my lifetime, but never had a charging attack like that before.
For the record, i didnt intend to get any anti-breed conversation going.

Also, if ANY breed large dog was attacking you and you didnt gave a firearm to defend yourself, what would you do? Or, take it one step further, what if the large dog was attacking your kids and you didnt have a firearm? How would you handle it?


Both times I have been attacked by aggressive dogs I was able to foil the attack by kicking them in the ribs. If either of the male dogs were able to latch onto me my plan was to rip their testicles off.

Both of the attacks were prior to me obtaining a concealed carry permit and as a last resort I would shoot the animal. If I was attacked by multiple dogs I would start shooting before they got to me. The "pack" mentality with multiple dogs is a very dangerous situation to be in and your response time to defend yourself could be very short. Plan accordingly.
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#3203632 - 03/25/13 05:49 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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#3203640 - 03/25/13 05:56 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
Well, back to my original question...
Are false charges usually a part of a dogs attack?
Ive had run-ins with other dogs in my lifetime, but never had a charging attack like that before.
For the record, i didnt intend to get any anti-breed conversation going.

Also, if ANY breed large dog was attacking you and you didnt gave a firearm to defend yourself, what would you do? Or, take it one step further, what if the large dog was attacking your kids and you didnt have a firearm? How would you handle it?


Both times I have been attacked by aggressive dogs I was able to foil the attack by kicking them in the ribs. If either of the male dogs were able to latch onto me my plan was to rip their testicles off.

Both of the attacks were prior to me obtaining a concealed carry permit and as a last resort I would shoot the animal. If I was attacked by multiple dogs I would start shooting before they got to me. The "pack" mentality with multiple dogs is a very dangerous situation to be in and your response time to defend yourself could be very short. Plan accordingly.


Have been in a situation with a pit and did have a gun.. The end

Now, there are many time when I don't have a gun on me but I always have a rather large knife I carry religiously... I'd sure hate to have to go that route but I'd sure give it my best shot with the knife if need be.
I'm not a fan of ANY breed of domesticated animal running loose that is more powerful than most people it would meet up with, regardless of the breed. I don't like pits myself however I've see Labs, German shepards, dobermans, Rottweilers, who had bad attitudes and would be every bit as dangerous were they not behind a fence etc..
I don't care what kind of dog it is (and I actually have dogs and my favorite of all was my 90lb lab who was the sweetest dog you'd ever meet) but if a dog threatens me or mine, I intend to put it down.


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#3203711 - 03/25/13 06:54 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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#3203717 - 03/25/13 07:09 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: wayne]
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I believe a Chow is the meanest dog there is. Never seen one that wouldn't bite the piss out of somebody. I seen earlier in the thread where somebody said you couldn get a dog that had its jaws locked off. If you have time to do this , grab the dog by the back of the head or by the collar with both hands and blow real hard in its ear. Works every time
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#3203734 - 03/25/13 07:24 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: rukiddin?]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
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Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


I'm not pro pit nor am I anti-pit. But I do feel like with my experiences I'm more qualified than most on the subject. I do understand human emotion is very strong force. If you don't take anything else away from this, please know that the dogs "documented" as pit bulls, are not always pit bulls. I know this for fact. It all depends on the "professional" that is asked what the dog is. Seen it done MULTIPLE times. Seen'em get it wrong many times, but that was above my pay grade to bring up.


Do you believe that in the case of dog attack fatalities(not just bites) dog breeds are mis-identified? Usually the owners, veterinarians, and other professionals are involved in death investigations.

I don't buy the mis-identification theory. Why not call them Dobermans, or poodles?


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#3204007 - 03/26/13 05:16 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: rukiddin?]
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...most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up....Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks...


You're right, I do find that hard to believe about the "shar pei" because I've never in my life seen one at anyone's home nor known of single acquantaince, person, friend, relative, etc to own one. So, yeah that surprises me....
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#3204305 - 03/26/13 10:58 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Benelli 4 Life]
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If you have time to do this , grab the dog by the back of the head or by the collar with both hands and blow real hard in its ear. Works every time


I'll keep this in mind the next time I got one clamped on my leg \:D
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#3204364 - 03/26/13 11:37 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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A light squeeze with your index finger on a trigger is effective too.
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#3204368 - 03/26/13 11:41 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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A light squeeze with your index finger on a trigger is effective too.


BINGO!! You may be a Bama fan but we do agree on this. haaa

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#3204469 - 03/26/13 01:16 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


I'm not pro pit nor am I anti-pit. But I do feel like with my experiences I'm more qualified than most on the subject. I do understand human emotion is very strong force. If you don't take anything else away from this, please know that the dogs "documented" as pit bulls, are not always pit bulls. I know this for fact. It all depends on the "professional" that is asked what the dog is. Seen it done MULTIPLE times. Seen'em get it wrong many times, but that was above my pay grade to bring up.


Do you believe that in the case of dog attack fatalities(not just bites) dog breeds are mis-identified? Usually the owners, veterinarians, and other professionals are involved in death investigations.

I don't buy the mis-identification theory. Why not call them Dobermans, or poodles?


They don't always catch a dog especially if it was a stray.
You can watch the news on most of the attacks and such and the news always reports PitBull you can clearly see in most of them they are not pitbulls and do not resemble a pitbull at all.
The media says whatever they want and for good headlines they say pitbull attacked.
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#3204486 - 03/26/13 01:27 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


Yet again.... Most of the time people get attacked they can not clearly 100% identify the dog.
Just like the media they say pit. It makes the headlines look better even if the dog looks nothing like a pit.
On ER records it will show a K-9 attack not a pitbull attack.
Hardly any insurance company will drop you because of owning a pit, The ones that will they normally will drop you for any kind of masstive, rottie, dober, pit, some great danes.
It's not just pits.
People who are biased against pits that don't truly know the breed are closed minded zombies of the media.
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#3204506 - 03/26/13 01:44 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


I'm not pro pit nor am I anti-pit. But I do feel like with my experiences I'm more qualified than most on the subject. I do understand human emotion is very strong force. If you don't take anything else away from this, please know that the dogs "documented" as pit bulls, are not always pit bulls. I know this for fact. It all depends on the "professional" that is asked what the dog is. Seen it done MULTIPLE times. Seen'em get it wrong many times, but that was above my pay grade to bring up.


Do you believe that in the case of dog attack fatalities(not just bites) dog breeds are mis-identified? Usually the owners, veterinarians, and other professionals are involved in death investigations.

I don't buy the mis-identification theory. Why not call them Dobermans, or poodles?


Thats fine, like I said, most want be convinced regardless of actual multiple firsthand experiences. Its no different than when the pic of obama came out shooting the o/u shotgun. How many times did you hear the media call it a rifle? I heard it several times. Surely they had an "expert" they could consult before reporting it was a "rifle"?? But no they did'nt. Why? Because the majority of the media,does not give a [censored] about facts. It not different than any other source of entertainment. Whether its a drug bust, murders, rape, assault rifles, or dog attacks. You cannot believe so called "professionals" when it comes to dog attacks. Unless documented registration papers, then I would question it everytime. like previously mentioned, I'm not pro nor anti pit. I'm neurtal on them and I'm telling you what I have witnessed on based on multiple events.
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#3204518 - 03/26/13 01:52 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


I'm not pro pit nor am I anti-pit. But I do feel like with my experiences I'm more qualified than most on the subject. I do understand human emotion is very strong force. If you don't take anything else away from this, please know that the dogs "documented" as pit bulls, are not always pit bulls. I know this for fact. It all depends on the "professional" that is asked what the dog is. Seen it done MULTIPLE times. Seen'em get it wrong many times, but that was above my pay grade to bring up.


Do you believe that in the case of dog attack fatalities(not just bites) dog breeds are mis-identified? Usually the owners, veterinarians, and other professionals are involved in death investigations.

I don't buy the mis-identification theory. Why not call them Dobermans, or poodles?


They don't always catch a dog especially if it was a stray.
You can watch the news on most of the attacks and such and the news always reports PitBull you can clearly see in most of them they are not pitbulls and do not resemble a pitbull at all.
The media says whatever they want and for good headlines they say pitbull attacked.


Yes the media may get it wrong, but in death investigations I am pretty certain the dog breed is positively identified. If the owner calls it a Pitbull, its probably a pitbull. Or while in quarantine following an attack, at a vet/animal shelter there are plenty of qualified people to id the breed.
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#3204523 - 03/26/13 01:55 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Question: Why are those on this site so quick to blame the liberal media about falsehoods when it comes to ignorance based on guns and hunting, but let someone bring up pitbulls, and everyone believes everything they hear????

As an ex-animal control officer, I have been around more pit bulls than most will ever see. Regardless of the facts I tell you from EVERYDAY dealings, most on here won't believe me, because there minds are already made up. With pits, I've had some bad run-ins with'em, but I had more good encounters than bad. That can be said for dam near about every breed of dog I ever dealt with. From great danes to pomeranians.
Here are some observations that I encountered on a dailey basis:
1. The media calls most dogs involved in dog bites a "pit bull". The vast majority were not. YOU HAVE TO GET THE FACTS WHEN IT INVOLVES THE MEDIA AND DOGBITES because I can assure you, most of the time, the media is wrong.
2. Yes, I investigated dog bites from pits, but they were not the majority. Chows and sharpei's and Cane Corso's (italian mastiffs) were the most common dogs that I investigated that involved serious or "life threatening" attacks. I have no use either of those breeds from what I expereinced on a DAILY basis. I saw maulings that I wish I'd never saw. Those images are not easily forgotten.
3. Pits used for dog fighting are not human aggessive. They are useless to a handler if they are human aggressive.
4. The smaller the pit, usually the "gamier" the dog. The small ones are the ones with the strongest fighting bloodlines. The "blue" pits or silver colored pit bulls will usally be the least aggressive. Why? Because that color is bred by breeders that are strictly breeding for show and conformation and AKC type dog shows. As with many breeds, the "akc showring" breedings have eliminated a lot of the traits that the dog was originally bred for. Thats why you hardly ever see an aggressive "blue dog".

I do not own pits, nor do I ever see myself owning one. But the same can be said for about anyother type unless their retrievers or small house dogs. I find it hilarious that most will badmouth the media on guns and hunting, but basically take them for the gospel when it comes to dogs. We hear what we want to hear.


It's NOT the number of attacks a breed of dog makes it's the DAMANGE they can do to a human being in a short amount of time.

All dog breeds do bite humans but check out the ER's records, the pit is number one.

Also check out the insurance companies, there are reasons some of them will cancal the homeowners insurance if they have a pit there.


I'm not pro pit nor am I anti-pit. But I do feel like with my experiences I'm more qualified than most on the subject. I do understand human emotion is very strong force. If you don't take anything else away from this, please know that the dogs "documented" as pit bulls, are not always pit bulls. I know this for fact. It all depends on the "professional" that is asked what the dog is. Seen it done MULTIPLE times. Seen'em get it wrong many times, but that was above my pay grade to bring up.


Do you believe that in the case of dog attack fatalities(not just bites) dog breeds are mis-identified? Usually the owners, veterinarians, and other professionals are involved in death investigations.

I don't buy the mis-identification theory. Why not call them Dobermans, or poodles?


They don't always catch a dog especially if it was a stray.
You can watch the news on most of the attacks and such and the news always reports PitBull you can clearly see in most of them they are not pitbulls and do not resemble a pitbull at all.
The media says whatever they want and for good headlines they say pitbull attacked.


Yes the media may get it wrong, but in death investigations I am pretty certain the dog breed is positively identified. If the owner calls it a Pitbull, its probably a pitbull. Or while in quarantine following an attack, at a vet/animal shelter there are plenty of qualified people to id the breed.


You wouldn't believe how many owners get their dog breed wrong.
Look on craigslist and see how many free pitbulls are on their. Most of them do not look like pits at all.
Not all dogs are caught in death incidences.
Even if a dog was identified as a mutt the media will still say pit.
It sounds better to them to say pit then mutt.
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#3204526 - 03/26/13 01:58 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Did anyone see the story about Gabby Giffords' step daughter's pitbull killing a sea lion?
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#3204531 - 03/26/13 02:02 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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SO many owners get the breed wrong...
These dogs are CLEARLY not pits.
http://nashville.craigslist.org/for/3693466117.html
Almost every single dog on their is not pits at all.
You can do that with media sites, craigslist and almost any other site.
They say pit but they are not even a pit mix.
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#3204539 - 03/26/13 02:06 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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Did anyone see the story about Gabby Giffords' step daughter's pitbull killing a sea lion?

There is no story of their pitbull killing a sea lion.
They don't own a pitbull.

It was an American Bulldog.
Any dog breeder can clearly point out an American Bulldog compared to an American Pitbull Terrier.
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#3204540 - 03/26/13 02:07 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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#3204578 - 03/26/13 02:39 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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I would bet that in 99% of all dog attacks resulting in death the dog is captured. Most happen in the owners home or backyard.

OK so let me make sure I have all of this straight.

Pit bulls are no more dangerous than Chihuahuas
There is a Media conspiracy to misidentify and demonize this random breed with no basis.
Pit owners don't even know what kind of dog they really have.

Yall carry on its obvious that people have made up their minds on both side of the discussion. I truly hope that anyone with one, that it continues to be a wonderful pet.
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#3204604 - 03/26/13 03:08 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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Sorry, couldn't help myself.


I got your humor SES! \:\)

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#3204609 - 03/26/13 03:12 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
Sorry, couldn't help myself.


I got your humor SES! \:\)
Thanks! Tough crowd.

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#3205118 - 03/27/13 12:10 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: SES]
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#3205172 - 03/27/13 05:54 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/childs-dog-attack-rescue-caught-on-tape-18718128


That Pomeranian really tore into that little girl.

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#3205204 - 03/27/13 07:14 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I kept a stray pit bull looking dog for about 5 years. he would not leave my side if I was home BUT I could not completely trust him. He ended up killing a couple cats and a dog that were looking around in my barn. I know that's what dogs do but the liability was too high. I cried but I had him put to sleep.
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#3205552 - 03/27/13 01:05 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: jar]
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Well, after 18 pages since my original post on this topic this thread seems to winding down.
I guess next time i will ask an easier question like: which is better- 9mm or 45? Or, what could possibly taste better than bacon?

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#3205610 - 03/27/13 02:17 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
One misconception of pits. MOST attacks reported by pits once a DNA test is done the DNA shows no signs of pit in the blood.
People always just point aggressive with pits.
I have a mutt that looks like a few number of dogs and he is 4. He is the most stubborn dog EVER. I have 3 pitbulls / aka American Bully. They are registered UKC as American PitBull Terrier and ABKC as American Bully.
My wife and I breed them and they prove time and time again to be MUCH better dogs then German sheperds, ST Bernards, Labs, and others.

Most of the time people look at a dog and if it shows it's teeth they instantly say "IT'S A PIT" (when it's actually mutt) pretty much profiling and just listening to the media on pit attacks.
Have you looked up German Sheperd attacks? They are pretty bad. Rottweiler attacks?
It's profiling a dog type when every single breed can turn out the same. It's all in the way they are raised.

All 8 pits we have ever had LOVES playing with kids and other animals. The kids and other kids grab their ears and tails and jump on them and pull their lips. My mutt on the other hand is fine with kids but hates his tail and lips being pulled.


However, not to be confused with American Bulldogs. I have never heard a Pit being called an "American Bully". Not to say that isnt the case but American Bulldogs and Pit Bull Terriers are completely different breeds.
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#3205641 - 03/27/13 03:19 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited

People who are biased against pits that don't truly know the breed are closed minded zombies of the media.


Is that any thing like being a closed-minded zombie of the pit breeders community?
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#3206469 - 03/28/13 11:34 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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#3206474 - 03/28/13 11:36 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: goblrhntr]
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I bet the Duck Dynasty thread eclipses this one. \:\)
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#3206499 - 03/28/13 11:53 AM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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From the article, this says it all, "She habitually played with the dogs, all of them. But they drug her all over the yard. Something turned them on her. We don’t know what."

Probably weren't really pit bulls though - probably some sort of hybrid mutt Staffordshire Terrier mix. Only made the news cause it was pit bull too...I mean they looked like pit bulls.
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#3206591 - 03/28/13 01:19 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
From the article, this says it all, "She habitually played with the dogs, all of them. But they drug her all over the yard. Something turned them on her. We don’t know what."

Probably weren't really pit bulls though - probably some sort of hybrid mutt Staffordshire Terrier mix. Only made the news cause it was pit bull too...I mean they looked like pit bulls.



I emailed the Animal control and they said so far they are investigating the incident further but as far as they know right now they are mutts (hybrids) they are not confirmed pitbulls as of right now.
That is media hype so far
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#3206593 - 03/28/13 01:23 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Deer Whisperer]
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 Originally Posted By: Deer Whisperer
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/childs-dog-attack-rescue-caught-on-tape-18718128


That Pomeranian really tore into that little girl.


Big Pomeranian!
But nobody ever said it was a pitbull or not
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#3206600 - 03/28/13 01:26 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: WVBulldog]
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 Originally Posted By: WVBulldog
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
One misconception of pits. MOST attacks reported by pits once a DNA test is done the DNA shows no signs of pit in the blood.
People always just point aggressive with pits.
I have a mutt that looks like a few number of dogs and he is 4. He is the most stubborn dog EVER. I have 3 pitbulls / aka American Bully. They are registered UKC as American PitBull Terrier and ABKC as American Bully.
My wife and I breed them and they prove time and time again to be MUCH better dogs then German sheperds, ST Bernards, Labs, and others.

Most of the time people look at a dog and if it shows it's teeth they instantly say "IT'S A PIT" (when it's actually mutt) pretty much profiling and just listening to the media on pit attacks.
Have you looked up German Sheperd attacks? They are pretty bad. Rottweiler attacks?
It's profiling a dog type when every single breed can turn out the same. It's all in the way they are raised.

All 8 pits we have ever had LOVES playing with kids and other animals. The kids and other kids grab their ears and tails and jump on them and pull their lips. My mutt on the other hand is fine with kids but hates his tail and lips being pulled.


However, not to be confused with American Bulldogs. I have never heard a Pit being called an "American Bully". Not to say that isnt the case but American Bulldogs and Pit Bull Terriers are completely different breeds.


You have UKC American PitBull Terriers and ABKC American Bullies.
An American Bully is an American PitBull Terrier/English Bulldog.
They are registered and a full breed.
It is not an American Bulldog.
All of my dogs are registered UKC APBT and ABKC American Bully
They are as close to as a PitBull as you can get.
Being they are a full breed now you can't mix more pits or more bulldogs in the breed.
They are a breed in themselves. If you look at one it just looks like a really big pitbull.
They have the same genes and most of the same genetic makeup
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#3206604 - 03/28/13 01:30 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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Why would anyone want to own/breed a dog that with so much liability and chance for disaster tied to it? There are far too many good breeds of dogs out there.

The fact that pits are the first choice of drug dealers, thugs, white trash, dog fighters, etc. is enough to cost someone an arm and a leg in a lawsuit.
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#3206605 - 03/28/13 01:30 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited

People who are biased against pits that don't truly know the breed are closed minded zombies of the media.


Is that any thing like being a closed-minded zombie of the pit breeders community?


Were not close minded at all.
I don't mind any dog out there. Nor do I discriminate on something I don't have a clue about.
I like all dogs and people saying pitbulls are mean aggressive are the close minded zombie uneducated fools that judge a book by it's cover.
So to answer your question no we are not close minded. We are pretty open minded.

I prefer my American Pitbull Terriers/American Bullies over other dogs because you won't find another dog more loyal or playful or better with kids then any of my pits/bullies put together
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#3206608 - 03/28/13 01:35 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
Why would anyone want to own/breed a dog that with so much liability and chance for disaster tied to it? There are far too many good breeds of dogs out there.

The fact that pits are the first choice of drug dealers, thugs, white trash, dog fighters, etc. is enough to cost someone an arm and a leg in a lawsuit.


It is also a first pick for us hard working americans also.
My self and all of my friends that breed, we all work full time. Have good jobs have houses families.
You are just as bad as the liberal media. You judge and categorize while being uneducated. You have about as much truthful information as the media these days.
Dog fighters normally use mutts NOT full bred pits. (They don't spend the money on full bred dogs)
Drug dealers you see a TON of rotties and dobermans. Thugs choose guns and white trash normally have a bunch of mutts themselves.
You are one uneducated sad fool.
Pits/Bullies are great dogs people like you that are uneducated give them a bad name because you are too ignorant and just listen to media.


Edited by 89cherokeelimited (03/28/13 01:36 PM)
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#3206618 - 03/28/13 01:41 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
Why would anyone want to own/breed a dog that with so much liability and chance for disaster tied to it? There are far too many good breeds of dogs out there.

The fact that pits are the first choice of drug dealers, thugs, white trash, dog fighters, etc. is enough to cost someone an arm and a leg in a lawsuit.


It is also a first pick for us hard working americans also.
My self and all of my friends that breed, we all work full time. Have good jobs have houses families.
You are just as bad as the liberal media. You judge and categorize while being uneducated. You have about as much truthful information as the media these days.
Dog fighters normally use mutts NOT full bred pits. (They don't spend the money on full bred dogs)
Drug dealers you see a TON of rotties and dobermans. Thugs choose guns and white trash normally have a bunch of mutts themselves.
You are one uneducated sad fool.
Pits/Bullies are great dogs people like you that are uneducated give them a bad name because you are too ignorant and just listen to media.


Sorry....fact is pits (or what thugs call pits) are by far the most popular choice of thugs everywhere.
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#3206625 - 03/28/13 01:48 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
Why would anyone want to own/breed a dog that with so much liability and chance for disaster tied to it? There are far too many good breeds of dogs out there.

The fact that pits are the first choice of drug dealers, thugs, white trash, dog fighters, etc. is enough to cost someone an arm and a leg in a lawsuit.


It is also a first pick for us hard working americans also.
My self and all of my friends that breed, we all work full time. Have good jobs have houses families.
You are just as bad as the liberal media. You judge and categorize while being uneducated. You have about as much truthful information as the media these days.
Dog fighters normally use mutts NOT full bred pits. (They don't spend the money on full bred dogs)
Drug dealers you see a TON of rotties and dobermans. Thugs choose guns and white trash normally have a bunch of mutts themselves.
You are one uneducated sad fool.
Pits/Bullies are great dogs people like you that are uneducated give them a bad name because you are too ignorant and just listen to media.


Sorry....fact is pits (or what thugs call pits) are by far the most popular choice of thugs everywhere.


Yet again judgmental uneducated fool.
Where are some hard facts that show that?
TV shows and movies you watch??? Real facts...
You just classify things how you think they are.


Edited by 89cherokeelimited (03/28/13 01:48 PM)
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#3206626 - 03/28/13 01:48 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
Sorry....fact is pits (or what thugs call pits) are by far the most popular choice of thugs everywhere.


Most definitely, I try to stay away from those people and the places that they might congregate but when I'm in the vicinity that is exactly the type of dog they are standing there with.
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#3206631 - 03/28/13 01:52 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
Sorry....fact is pits (or what thugs call pits) are by far the most popular choice of thugs everywhere.


Most definitely, I try to stay away from those people and the places that they might congregate but when I'm in the vicinity that is exactly the type of dog they are standing there with.


Installing cable in middle of Memphis in section 8 areas I seen WAY more rotties then anything.

Downtown Nashville around section 8 a TON of dobermans some rotties hardly any pits.

I've been to some bad places contracting for Comcast.
California, Nashville, Memphis, some Little Rock has some bad places, and a few others.
Hardly any pits.
Glad to know ignorant people will stay away from my house though.
I live in the middle of Hendersonville across from Merrol Hyde. Stay away I have pits/bullies!!!
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#3206639 - 03/28/13 02:01 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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[img][/img] 89, is this a pitbull?
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#3206656 - 03/28/13 02:15 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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We would need to do a full DNA test to adequately answer your question.
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#3206657 - 03/28/13 02:16 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlackBelt]
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 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
Well, after 18 pages since my original post on this topic this thread seems to winding down.
I guess next time i will ask an easier question like: which is better- 9mm or 45? Or, what could possibly taste better than bacon?


Tough one there on the bacon. Maybe a really good Ribeye steak?

9mm or 45? 45 without a doubt - unless you try to carry it in your pocket.

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#3206672 - 03/28/13 02:26 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
We would need to do a full DNA test to adequately answer your question.


No then some would question the validity of the DNA test. The test would need to be done by certified pit bull lover. Love can make people blind.
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#3206675 - 03/28/13 02:28 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
[img][/img] 89, is this a pitbull?


The one on the left looks really close to a pit but the one on the right looks like a mix of some sort.
Only way to tell is a simple blood test that vets can do pretty quickly.

Easier to tell when you see them in person
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#3206680 - 03/28/13 02:31 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
We would need to do a full DNA test to adequately answer your question.


No then some would question the validity of the DNA test. The test would need to be done by certified pit bull lover. Love can make people blind.


No if a blood test was done and the DNA came back 99% positive it is a pitbull then YES it a pitbull.
You are one ignorant person.
I stand up for the breed because we have to many ignorant close minded morons in this world that judge things with proper knowledge of the subject.
Your "certified pit bull lover" is an extremely ignorant comment.
People that love pitbulls aren't ignorant it's you close minded fools that are the ignorant ones.

Ignorance can make people blind if you want to put it that way.




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#3206698 - 03/28/13 02:48 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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The name calling is not going to change any ones opinion, and might just re-affirm peoples stereotypes of pit owners.

However, I am far from ignorant regarding the breed. I worked extensively in Alabama initially to get the breed banned, and made sure I was able to hold my ground when discussing the stats surrounding the breed, as well as the history of the breed.

I have since changed my position about a ban, because I don't think people should be banned from owning anything they truly love, but I do still continue to support strict regulation, insurance riders and safety precautions (mandatory 10 ft fences/locked gates etc...)when harboring any dangerous animals (not just pit bulls).

They can make great pets, but they can also be extremely dangerous. Siegfrieds tiger made a great pet too...until.

Your name calling only makes your argument less believable, and insistent denial doesn't change the facts.

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#3206706 - 03/28/13 02:54 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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Slow down with the name calling i'm not sure where you think it will get you but i do. Time out
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#3206716 - 03/28/13 03:00 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ImThere]
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Here is the article that goes with the picture. It happened only a few weeks ago.

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#3206719 - 03/28/13 03:03 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I wasn't going to post on thread but it keeps coming back. I LOVE pits! I've owned and bread them for years. They can be the most loving, affectionate pets one can own. The best dogs I have ever had were pit dogs. But they can also be a problem as with all breeds. My three legged female that I had for twelve years was the biggest lap dog ever, but wouldn't hesitate to bite. I was sued for over thirty grand even when the victim had climbed my fence. My dog Milton, the male, at ten years of age turned on me and the wife,(and everyone else for that matter) and decided his own fate. I won't own any more pits. I wear a nice scar on my face from a pit that I new very well. Good dogs!, but they need a dominant owner. Here is a pic of my old bud Milton.
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#3206738 - 03/28/13 03:17 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
We would need to do a full DNA test to adequately answer your question.


No then some would question the validity of the DNA test. The test would need to be done by certified pit bull lover. Love can make people blind.


No if a blood test was done and the DNA came back 99% positive it is a pitbull then YES it a pitbull.
You are one ignorant person.
I stand up for the breed because we have to many ignorant close minded morons in this world that judge things with proper knowledge of the subject.
Your "certified pit bull lover" is an extremely ignorant comment.
People that love pitbulls aren't ignorant it's you close minded fools that are the ignorant ones.

Ignorance can make people blind if you want to put it that way.




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#3206742 - 03/28/13 03:19 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: TAFKAP]
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Pomeranians, like house cats, are the two "pets" that actively think, "You and I both know that if I were bigger, you'd have been eaten by now."
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#3206747 - 03/28/13 03:21 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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L.A. Times article;

"Pit bulls are the dog of choice among the gangs now. They use them like four-legged guns,"

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-13/news/mn-62013_1_pit-bulls
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#3206757 - 03/28/13 03:33 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: dr
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Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

Yep, pits are dangerous, and unpredictable. One nearly killed our dog on our front porch. I can't imagine anyone wanting their kids around one. Russian roulette comes to mind.

Closed minded ignorant comes to mind. Pits are not dangerous and unpredictable.
Closed minded uneducated ignorant people are dangerous because they feel like they know everything.
Just like liberals..................
only people I ever hear talking about being more open minded are liberals. Just sayin'!
Oh and I love pits tho!
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#3206768 - 03/28/13 03:44 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Mudbone]
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I hate pitbulls. Man glad I got that ignorance off my chest!
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#3206769 - 03/28/13 03:45 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: timberjack86]
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#3206770 - 03/28/13 03:48 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: beachguy]
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#3206801 - 03/28/13 04:27 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: KPH]
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Anyone know how to get a pit bull to quit humping your leg?
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#3206816 - 03/28/13 04:39 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: AndyW]
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Anyone know how to get a pit bull to quit humping your leg?
Call it an American Bulldog. It will hurt it's feelings and it will run away.

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#3206821 - 03/28/13 04:42 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: AndyW]
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True story. A friend of mine pulled in one night and he had a huge Pit/ mix in the seat next to him. He and his family hog hunt alot and use Pit/mixes as catch dogs sometimes. He got out and commenced to to tell us about this dog, smiling the whole time. He proclaimed how the dog was his new buddy and this and that. We walked around and was looking at the dog through the truck cab, not really wanting to get real close. As he was finishing up his story we asked him, "If he is your new buddy, why do you have him chained to the door?" He says, "Well, I didnt want him to bite my throat out while I was goin down the road."

I dont have a problem with any dog breed but owners should know qnd respect what the animal is capable of and keep the dog restrained accordingly.
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#3206823 - 03/28/13 04:42 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: AndyW]
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Anyone know how to get a pit bull to quit humping your leg?
Its not humping you. Its trying to climb up to your head so it can tear it off.
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#3206835 - 03/28/13 04:47 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
Anyone know how to get a pit bull to quit humping your leg?


I think you blow in their ear.
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#3206913 - 03/28/13 06:25 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ImThere]
dr
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 Originally Posted By: ImThere
Slow down with the name calling i'm not sure where you think it will get you but i do. Time out

My long held opinion of pit bulls, and their owners has been reaffirmed.
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#3206956 - 03/28/13 07:10 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: dr]
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From today's news. Knowing the media's ignorance on other subjects, I have no idea if this was truly a pit bull or not, but whatever it was, the story at the link is not a pretty one.

..."Bryan County Sheriff Clyde Smith said the child's grandmother told investigators she was lying in bed when she heard the pit bulls and pit bull mixes barking, and she looked outside her window to see them dragging the girl. Smith said she began yelling, "They're killing Monica!..."


http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130328/US-Dog-Mauling-Georgia/
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#3207722 - 03/29/13 01:24 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: muzzy76]
89cherokeelimited
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 Originally Posted By: muzzy76
mixing pits and small kids in any context= child abuse


First time someone says that to my face that it is child abuse because I have pits... they think pits are aggressive... I will show them aggression when I make sure their face is permanently disfigured from their idiotic ignorant comment.
Watch who you say that too, you think you've seen a pit mad watch a father who owns pits.


Hell my pits were at the dog park yesterday and they had kids ALL OVER them GUESS WHAT!!!! Not a dang thing happened.
It's not the breed it's the owners.
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#3207725 - 03/29/13 01:26 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: farmin68]
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 Originally Posted By: farmin68
L.A. Times article;

"Pit bulls are the dog of choice among the gangs now. They use them like four-legged guns,"

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-13/news/mn-62013_1_pit-bulls


Good maybe they will start training them to go after ignorant morons that say ban pitbulls. I think I might start training mine so idiotic ignorant people stay out of my yard
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#3207729 - 03/29/13 01:29 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
L.A. Times article;

"Pit bulls are the dog of choice among the gangs now. They use them like four-legged guns,"

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-13/news/mn-62013_1_pit-bulls


Good maybe they will start training them to go after ignorant morons that say ban pitbulls. I think I might start training mine so idiotic ignorant people stay out of my yard
then where would you live?
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#3207732 - 03/29/13 01:29 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: dr
 Originally Posted By: TNLynn
Pit on my land=dead dog
Dog not DNA'd, but look's like pit=dead dog
I rather spend time in jail for shooting a dog than spend one minute thinking-"why did I let my child or someone else's child be around a dog that seemed so friendly and innocent then killed them or hurt them seriously"!!!! WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

Yep, pits are dangerous, and unpredictable. One nearly killed our dog on our front porch. I can't imagine anyone wanting their kids around one. Russian roulette comes to mind.

Closed minded ignorant comes to mind. Pits are not dangerous and unpredictable.
Closed minded uneducated ignorant people are dangerous because they feel like they know everything.
Just like liberals..................
only people I ever hear talking about being more open minded are liberals. Just sayin'!
Oh and I love pits tho!

They believe in open minded for gay marriage.
Liberals are NOT opened minded about guns rights, liberals are more close minded. They are uneducated and ignorant and mostly close minded thank you
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#3207733 - 03/29/13 01:30 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: beachguy]
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 Originally Posted By: beachguy
 Originally Posted By: 89cherokeelimited
 Originally Posted By: farmin68
L.A. Times article;

"Pit bulls are the dog of choice among the gangs now. They use them like four-legged guns,"

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-13/news/mn-62013_1_pit-bulls


Good maybe they will start training them to go after ignorant morons that say ban pitbulls. I think I might start training mine so idiotic ignorant people stay out of my yard
then where would you live?

Right where I do in the middle of Hendersonville
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#3207734 - 03/29/13 01:32 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Buckykm1
I believe any dog regardless of type of dog can snap. I don't think i have heard about any other type than a pit mauling or killing.


Just Google it. Plenty of Sheperds, Rotties, Dobbies, plenty of them.
Most of the pics of the pit killings the dog is clearly not a pit. It is a mix of anything but pits if you look at the dog close enough.
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#3207737 - 03/29/13 01:34 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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I read that article in todays paper about the pits and mixed pits and made some decisions about how to handle things from now on if i face the dog in the original post again.
Hey, not all people who live in the hood are bad people, but i am on extra-high alert when i am there because the majority of crime that i personally have faced came from people that lived there. I am just playing the odds.
Same with the potentially serious dog attacks.
Maybe some people are willing to take chances that i am not, and they can leave their kids in the yard with whatever breed they like. But for me it has been decided.

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#3207738 - 03/29/13 01:36 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: randy]
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 Originally Posted By: randy
Here is the article that goes with the picture. It happened only a few weeks ago.

dogs


So the owner admitted they were not registered. Their is no way to say 100% they were pits. Like I said the one on the right looks like a mutt.
The one on the left I said looks like one but it's hard to tell in a picture.
Still doesn't stand with hard evidence they were pits.
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#3207743 - 03/29/13 01:40 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
The name calling is not going to change any ones opinion, and might just re-affirm peoples stereotypes of pit owners.

However, I am far from ignorant regarding the breed. I worked extensively in Alabama initially to get the breed banned, and made sure I was able to hold my ground when discussing the stats surrounding the breed, as well as the history of the breed.

I have since changed my position about a ban, because I don't think people should be banned from owning anything they truly love, but I do still continue to support strict regulation, insurance riders and safety precautions (mandatory 10 ft fences/locked gates etc...)when harboring any dangerous animals (not just pit bulls).

They can make great pets, but they can also be extremely dangerous. Siegfrieds tiger made a great pet too...until.

Your name calling only makes your argument less believable, and insistent denial doesn't change the facts.

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Your comments proves otherwise on being ignorant about the breed.
You obviously have been against pits for awhile and if you ever help with Animal Control of course you would be against pits ALL they work with is abused and neglected dogs.
Your input is pretty much useless.
You are trying to compare a tiger.... about being a good pet.
The only facts that has been posted by someone about pits are dangrous is posting from sites that are CLEARLy 100% ANTI pitbull. That is not credible information.
Your just to ignorant I guess. Typical bamaboy though
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#3207772 - 03/29/13 02:12 PM Re: Anybody here have a pitbull? [Re: 89cherokeelimited]
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You couldn't be more wrong regarding my knowledge of the breed(and dog attack stats in general) I know their history, what changed them and I'm still pretty up to speed on legislation surrounding aggressive dogs including some targeting pits specifically. Even though I am no longer involved in the cause.
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