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#3196011 - 03/18/13 09:57 AM Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season
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http://www.wjtv.com/story/21644225/mississippi-hunting-bill-goes-to-governor
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#3196016 - 03/18/13 09:59 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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I like it....Im sure the eliteist bow hunting crowd will hate it.
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#3196018 - 03/18/13 10:01 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: cecil30-30]
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Bill passes the house:

http://msbusiness.com/blog/2013/03/15/hunting-weapons-legislation-passes-house/
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#3196035 - 03/18/13 10:10 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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Headed for the Governor's signature and expected to pass: http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-news/2013/03/deer_hunting_weapons_bill_head.html
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#3196243 - 03/18/13 02:05 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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#3196290 - 03/18/13 03:02 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.


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#3196305 - 03/18/13 03:21 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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So basically all it would do is allow you to use a 270 during what is not ML season and Bow season would be unchanged. Of course I'm talking TN seasons as if TN were going to do the same which it is not at this time. I would have no problem with that. I'd probably never use my ML again though.

Now if they wanted to allow guns during what is now Bow season, I'd stay at the house until the 1st frost! I'm not sitting in swarms of bugs to deer hunt.

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#3196313 - 03/18/13 03:27 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Hunter 257W]
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I think I'd like to keep the 3 seasons the way we have it now other than I like to see bow season opened up earlier. Maybe mid sept to sept 1
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#3196380 - 03/18/13 04:43 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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#3196497 - 03/18/13 06:46 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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#3196773 - 03/18/13 10:54 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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#3196837 - 03/19/13 06:03 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: in the dog house!]
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I hunt all seasons as well. Would like to have bow "open up again" after gun season closes. Say thru the month of January.
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#3196972 - 03/19/13 08:50 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: in the dog house!]
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 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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#3196996 - 03/19/13 09:10 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: 7mmDeathPunch]
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IMO its like the "religion needs it own section" thread.. I wish we had it here.. i'd hunt with my .308 the whole time.. BUT.. if you guys want to go out with a long bow and wooden arrows.. more power to you.. I'm sure not going to look down on you.. there is no telling how many thousands of dollars I have spent on bows,crossbows, arrows,broadheads,scopes,bolts,sabots,muzzle loaders,powder,bullets,primers and the list goes on and on and on.. that I could have spent on other outdoor gear I want but will never get like a electric 4x4 utv.. to be exact.. I wouldnt even mind paying twra and fee to hunt during the normal primitave seasons with my rifle..
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#3197047 - 03/19/13 09:48 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: pressfit]
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Applies to private lands only.
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#3197586 - 03/19/13 05:13 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Doskil]
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I never ever ever thought I would say this but.... I would be against this.

After seeing what a week of gun hunting does to mature bucks in KY I would much rather have what we have now in TN.

As Buckwild would say though... YMMV.
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#3197783 - 03/19/13 08:33 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: RUGER]
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I don't think it matters - set a season limit on bucks per segment; i.e. segment 1 is one month, one buck. Segment 2 one month,one buck and so on. Those who want meat will shoot one and get out of the woods.

It's just like when crossbows were made legal. Tales of endless slaughter, the end of hunting as we know it, deer being killed in drive-by crossbow shootings.

The harvest didn't change, and now very few people care what you hunt with in bow season.

I would be ok with segmented, regulated seasons. And yes, I'd use a rifle the whole time.
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#3198144 - 03/20/13 09:17 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: 7mmDeathPunch]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mmDeathPunch
 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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X6, except I would like it to open a little earlier—a chance at a velvet buck would be nice

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#3198267 - 03/20/13 11:33 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: 7mmDeathPunch
 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Im far from being an Eliteist Bowhunter as I hunt every season, but would hate to see TN do the same. I like the different seasons and the challenges that come with each one.
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X6, except I would like it to open a little earlier—a chance at a velvet buck would be nice


I'm with you TNDeerGuy.
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#3199085 - 03/21/13 08:35 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Bone Collector]
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As this new law is stated in Mississippi, I think it does more harm than good, and will create more division between hunters.

On the other hand, might see it differently if it were an across-the-board change applying to all lands equally, i.e. deer season simply opens and closes on said dates, use whatever weapons you prefer. The big flaw in the Mississippi change is that it doesn't apply to those public lands that are otherwise hunted "same as statewide". Also keep in mind the deer are considered a public, not a private resource, and the average buck roams over thousands of acres, usually not spending all his time on any one person's property.

Not saying I want to see this in TN, as do see merit in having an early archery only season. However, there is also merit in simply have a "deer season", any weapon you prefer.

It would be fine with me if TN's deer season was archery-only from the opening thru October, then any weapon Nov 1st until close. But this should apply equally to private lands and public lands that are hunted "same as statewide".

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#3199128 - 03/21/13 09:08 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
The big flaw in the Mississippi change is that it doesn't apply to those public lands that are otherwise hunted "same as statewide".


I think that it depends on a hunter's perspective. The restriction to primitive weapons (especially muzzleloader only) to some public lands may actually deter some hunters from going there thereby reducing hunting pressure and improving the quality of the hunt for those willing to abide by the restrictions.

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#3199210 - 03/21/13 09:58 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Rick Dillard]
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That's a good point, Rick.

But generally speaking, I see this change as divisive, and overall doing more harm than good to the future of hunting. No reason certain WMA's and public lands can't have "special" regs, but the default should be "same as statewide" being the "same" as the state rules on private lands for hunting a public resource.

Just to throw in another perspective, imagine how divisive if duck decoys were not allowed on public lands, but were allowed on private lands. Ducks are a public resource, and it would be unfair to restrict their hunting differently (generally speaking) on public lands.

Or how about this. Let's say TN did exactly what MS just did, and look at how that would effect the deer hunting at President's Island WMA. President's Island has a private huntable inholding that is not a part of the WMA. It is also bordered nearby by some private huntable lands. What if these private lands were being gun hunted during September & October, instead of our current archery-only season? Would that adversely effect the archery-only hunt on President's Island?

Of course, PI is not one of those "same as statewide" public lands, but consider one such as Natchez Trace, which is relatively long and narrow, with most of it's deer traveling onto adjoining private properties. Those hunting private property adjoining the public lands would have a great advantage being able to hunt the same deer herd with a rifle while the public land hunt was limited to archery only.

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#3199259 - 03/21/13 10:38 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Wes,

There actually is a private hunting club on PI that hunts with rifles.

I do see your point, however, about the public land deal. MS has numerous regulations like this regarding public land. On public land, for example, you cannot kill does after rifle season opens. Non residents cannot kill does on public land at all.

In my humble humble opinion, the doe regs for public land are stupid. The state has a estimated deer population of 2 million deer. Give me one reason why there should be doe seasons on public land that don't exist on private land and why non residents are not allowed to kill does unless they own or lease land? Makes no sense.
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#3199267 - 03/21/13 10:41 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
Give me one reason why there should be doe seasons on public land that don't exist on private land and why non residents are not allowed to kill does unless they own or lease land? Makes no sense.

Politics.
Politicians get off in making rules that control others. Anything to grow any form of government, rules, and their empowerment. The reality is Mississippi's deer management may have less to do with real deer management and more to do with politicians' wanting to control things.

Mississippi has a great bunch of wildlife professionals, so this is not meant to come across derogatorily towards them. The problem is the politicians that trump the advise of wildlife professionals.

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#3199279 - 03/21/13 10:47 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
Wes,

There actually is a private hunting club on PI that hunts with rifles.

I know.
But at least under current law, they don't do it during September & October when the season segment is "archery only" on both TN's public & private lands.

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#3199306 - 03/21/13 11:08 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Poser
Wes,

There actually is a private hunting club on PI that hunts with rifles.

I know.
But at least under current law, they don't do it during September & October when the season segment is "archery only" on both TN's public & private lands.


Gotchya.
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#3199316 - 03/21/13 11:11 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Poser
Give me one reason why there should be doe seasons on public land that don't exist on private land and why non residents are not allowed to kill does unless they own or lease land? Makes no sense.

Politics.
Politicians get off in making rules that control others. Anything to grow any form of government, rules, and their empowerment. The reality is Mississippi's deer management may have less to do with real deer management and more to do with politicians' wanting to control things.

Mississippi has a great bunch of wildlife professionals, so this is not meant to come across derogatorily towards them. The problem is the politicians that trump the advise of wildlife professionals.


Yeah, that's what I've always heard, too. Specifically, the law about non residents is because a MS politician is afraid that Louisiana hunters will kill all of MS's deer.
Most residents MS hunters are not even aware of the non residents regs and surprised when you tell them.
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#3199372 - 03/21/13 11:51 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
Specifically, the law about non residents is because a MS politician is afraid that Louisiana hunters will kill all of MS's deer.

Actually, this MS politician was afraid of a single coonass named Troy Landry. Truth is, Mr. Landry is perfectly content hunting in LA, but citing him as the reason is as good as any.

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#3199417 - 03/21/13 12:36 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Poser]
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I do like Wes's idea of archery only until Nov 01, then any type equipment beginning Nov 01 till the end of season.
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#3201723 - 03/23/13 04:48 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: TLRanger]
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 Originally Posted By: TLRanger
I do like Wes's idea of archery only until Nov 01, then any type equipment beginning Nov 01 till the end of season.



That would definitely be what I wanted!!
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#3201796 - 03/23/13 06:34 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: W.Seay]
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Id vote all weapon before I would xtend bow season
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#3201902 - 03/23/13 08:14 PM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: W.Seay]
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 Originally Posted By: W.Seay
 Originally Posted By: TLRanger
I do like Wes's idea of archery only until Nov 01, then any type equipment beginning Nov 01 till the end of season.



That would definitely be what I wanted!!

Of course, this would need to come along with a simple annual 2-buck limit. \:\)

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#3202130 - 03/24/13 07:04 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Wes Parrish]
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The weapons seasons have a hidden "agenda" too...firearms or gun seasons often open relatively close to the rut. By opening gun earlier, it seems like the older nocturnal deer will be alerted to the increase in hunting pressure (which is relatively light during archery), making them more wary and harder to hunt.
Who knows, they might kill fewer mature deer.
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#3205441 - 03/27/13 11:08 AM Re: Mississippi Considers All Weapon Season [Re: Frank G]
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 Originally Posted By: Frank G
I hunt all seasons as well. Would like to have bow "open up again" after gun season closes. Say thru the month of January.





Most definitely!!

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