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#3195726 - 03/18/13 01:08 AM oil change/filter question
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Need to change the oil in my toyota pickup and am considering doing it myself to save a little money. Been a while since I have helped change the oil in a car but I know how to do it. Should I go and buy a new oil filter? Does this need to be done on every oil change? I figure by now I should probably do it, and what brand filter should I go with that is cost effective?
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#3195727 - 03/18/13 01:15 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: catman529]
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Always change the filter, and I always use Fram filters.
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#3195729 - 03/18/13 01:17 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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Thanks Andy

Guess I should also ask which brands I should avoid. Seems the 22RE can take almost anything but I don't want to put bottom of the barrel stuff in it. I can figure out the oil but not sure of the filter.
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#3195735 - 03/18/13 03:40 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: catman529]
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I use Wix filters in my Toyota.
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#3195743 - 03/18/13 04:48 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: paincave_2000]
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I use only Purolater Pure 1 filters.
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#3195745 - 03/18/13 04:54 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: wayne]
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i use toyota filters.
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#3195746 - 03/18/13 04:58 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: stik]
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Use a Toyota filter and only a Toyota filter. I wouldn't put a fram filter on a lawn mower. Wix on everything else
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#3195763 - 03/18/13 06:14 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: fredfred]
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Toyota only! Worked at a Yota dealer for many years (20yrs ago) and the Techs in the shop explained there's an anti drain-back valve in the Yota filter - keeps oil where it needs to be at startup. They were Techs - could have used anything they wanted and all swore by only Yota filters on a Yota.
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#3195764 - 03/18/13 06:15 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Kimber45]
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Toyota Oil Filters

Oil filters help protect your engine by trapping dirt and other contaminants while allowing the oil to flow to the engine.

Genuine Toyota Oil Filters are designed specifically for your Toyota engine. Features of the Genuine Toyota Oil Filters include:
•A bypass valve, which alleviates restricted oil flow in the event of a clogged filter.


•An anti-drainback valve, which prevents oil from draining out of the engine and into the oil pan, helping to protect your engine from increased wear during cold starts.


• A filter element which effectively filters contaminants and maintains the engine's lubrication capability during the maintenance interval. By comparison, a lesser quality filter element might clog during Toyota's recommended maintenance interval leading to engine wear, seizure or other problems. Some non-genuine oil filters do not meet all of Toyota's stringent specifications.
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#3195778 - 03/18/13 06:51 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Kimber45]
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All oil filters have an anti drain back valve.
Fram - the orange one - is the worse thing you can do to your engine.
Purolater makes a very cost effective filter that does a great job.

There is a great site for oil. Go to bobistheoilguy.com
You can read a lot about filters by just googling oil filters.

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#3195792 - 03/18/13 07:14 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Deer Whisperer]
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Fram is JUNk !
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#3195820 - 03/18/13 07:52 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: vonhogslayer]
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Wix filter / Mobil 1 and change every 6k for my 04 tahoe. I should hit 200k this spring. No oil leaks, and it maybe burns a half a quart by 6k miles. The extra cost of the synthetic will equal out doing it every 3k. Lots of manufacturers are now suggesting synthetic and oil changes every 10k.

Good luck changing your oil. JUST DON'T OVERTIGHTEN YOUR NEW FILTER OR OIL PLUG. I'd be happy to show you not how to make the mistakes I did long ago. Good luck.
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#3195830 - 03/18/13 07:59 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: 7mm08]
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Catman, the oil change is a simple and great money-saving maintenance item. Auto parts places like to put great sales on combo deals that include a filter and oil. Take advantage.

But I need to tell you this: in all my years of Toyota ownership (since '86), the one and only filter I have been willing to use is the one that is on sale.

Do anything but, and you jeopardize the life of your vehicle.
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#3195832 - 03/18/13 08:00 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: 7mm08]
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Wix filters on both my vehicles. O'Reilly's has a display with all the oil filters they sell are cut so you can see the inside of each filter. Pretty cool to see, but you can also see the descrepency in price that way as well.

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#3195834 - 03/18/13 08:00 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: 7mm08]
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ANYTHING BUT FRAM
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#3195839 - 03/18/13 08:04 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: 7mm08]
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The important thing to remember about oil changes is to DO them. Be consistent and always change the filter. Asking what filter is the best is like asking what cartridge is the best to deer hunt with. It's popular to knock Fram filters in recent years but the only thing I've seen to back that up are personal websites that cut filters open and don't like the way Fram filter media looks. Hardly scientific. \:\) For a test to condemn a filter I want to see a test where different filters are used to filter oil with a known contamination level and the oil cleanliness is measured over time as the oil is recirculated through it. Just cutting a Fram open and saying that it "don't look good" has nothing to do with it's performance.
I've used about everything myself and have had no problems with any of them. I am somewhat leary of the cheapo Chinese filters that certain autp parts stores give away with oil purchases but even those are unlikely to cause problems unless you leave them on for years.

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#3195841 - 03/18/13 08:05 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Hunter 257W]
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Around here you just about can't buy the stuff as cheap as you can have it done.
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#3195847 - 03/18/13 08:09 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: 7mm08]
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The life of your oil and the distance between oil changes depends on the conditions you drive under.Big city bumper to bumper driving your oil will get dirtier faster.The wife's Grand Prix told you when the oil needed changing by measuring the viscosity of the oil. When we lived in Nashville the light always came on at close to every 4,000 miles.When we Moved to Benton county I started changing around every 8,000 miles. When changing your filter be sure to coat the sealing ring with a thin coat of oil.You only need to snug it hand tight.
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#3195850 - 03/18/13 08:10 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: wlf89]
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 Originally Posted By: wlf89
ANYTHING BUT FRAM
This...The orange can of death...
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#3195858 - 03/18/13 08:16 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Deer Whisperer]
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 Originally Posted By: Deer Whisperer
All oil filters have an anti drain back valve.
Fram - the orange one - is the worse thing you can do to your engine.
Purolater makes a very cost effective filter that does a great job.



X2!!!!

Fram are CHEAP for a reason.
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#3195866 - 03/18/13 08:21 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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 Originally Posted By: WestTn Huntin'man
The life of your oil and the distance between oil changes depends on the conditions you drive under.Big city bumper to bumper driving your oil will get dirtier faster.The wife's Grand Prix told you when the oil needed changing by measuring the viscosity of the oil. When we lived in Nashville the light always came on at close to every 4,000 miles.When we Moved to Benton county I started changing around every 8,000 miles. When changing your filter be sure to coat the sealing ring with a thin coat of oil.You only need to snug it hand tight.


I added the BOLD. Very good advice. Also along this same line, don't try to remove the filter from a totally cold engine. It's a lot harder to break it loose. If you aren't careful, you'll end up damaging the filter to the point that you can't run the engine but you still can't get it off either. At that point you end up driving a screwdriver through the filter to use as a "wrench". You have now passed "The point of no Return". There is no running it down to your local oil change place to finish it off once you jab a hole in the filter. \:\) I've come close to having to pull an engine to get a stuck filter off one time because of this. Believe me, it's better to get hot oil down your arm than to stick a filter.

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#3195887 - 03/18/13 08:37 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Around here you just about can't buy the stuff as cheap as you can have it done.


Ditto that!
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#3195889 - 03/18/13 08:39 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Hunter 257W]
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Never thought of a screwdriver as a wrench as a bailout. I always had one of those wrenches until I got smart somewhere along the way and only hand tightened. HA!
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#3195894 - 03/18/13 08:41 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
Toyota only! Worked at a Yota dealer for many years (20yrs ago) and the Techs in the shop explained there's an anti drain-back valve in the Yota filter - keeps oil where it needs to be at startup. They were Techs - could have used anything they wanted and all swore by only Yota filters on a Yota.


I was told the same about my Nissan, AFTER I had used a Fram filter. I noticed at start up the rattling from lack of oil in the journals of the engine. After I went back to the Nissan filters, it stopped. Definitely use the Toyota filter imo.
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#3195898 - 03/18/13 08:42 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Deer Whisperer]
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the main thing is change the filter.i assume they all are pretty good
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#3195904 - 03/18/13 08:44 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: RUGER]
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Around here you just about can't buy the stuff as cheap as you can have it done.
But what oil and filter are they useing? Most of the time its the cheaper oil and filter,and I won't put that junk in my vehicles.
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#3196058 - 03/18/13 10:36 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
 Originally Posted By: WestTn Huntin'man
The life of your oil and the distance between oil changes depends on the conditions you drive under.Big city bumper to bumper driving your oil will get dirtier faster.The wife's Grand Prix told you when the oil needed changing by measuring the viscosity of the oil. When we lived in Nashville the light always came on at close to every 4,000 miles.When we Moved to Benton county I started changing around every 8,000 miles. When changing your filter be sure to coat the sealing ring with a thin coat of oil.You only need to snug it hand tight.


I added the BOLD. Very good advice. Also along this same line, don't try to remove the filter from a totally cold engine. It's a lot harder to break it loose. If you aren't careful, you'll end up damaging the filter to the point that you can't run the engine but you still can't get it off either. At that point you end up driving a screwdriver through the filter to use as a "wrench". You have now passed "The point of no Return". There is no running it down to your local oil change place to finish it off once you jab a hole in the filter. \:\) I've come close to having to pull an engine to get a stuck filter off one time because of this. Believe me, it's better to get hot oil down your arm than to stick a filter.
it makes a huge mess if the old gasket sticks and you put a new filter on. I know from experience

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#3196073 - 03/18/13 10:52 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: lung-buster]
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Wix makes Toyota filters
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#3196079 - 03/18/13 10:56 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: paincave_2000]
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Fram is good filters! My old Ford 350,000 plus miles and still going strong (until my daughter decided to jump a creek with it) changed oil every 3-5k mi. Used Fram and Castrol every time. I will never use anything else.
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#3196107 - 03/18/13 11:26 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: lung-buster]
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 Originally Posted By: lung-buster
it makes a huge mess if the old gasket sticks and you put a new filter on. I know from experience


x 2 on that!

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#3196117 - 03/18/13 11:36 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Zulu]
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 Originally Posted By: Zulu
 Originally Posted By: lung-buster
it makes a huge mess if the old gasket sticks and you put a new filter on. I know from experience


x 2 on that!


Yep, verifying that the old gasket is not stuck to the engine before you put the new filter on is another detail that is important. But there's nothing that gets the old adrenaline going quite so fast as tearing the end of a filter up trying to take it off and realizing that if you now try to run the engine all your oil will pump out on the ground. \:\)

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#3196127 - 03/18/13 11:49 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Hunter 257W]
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Lot of information for you Catman. Now which filter and oil will you use ???.

The two Toyoto dealers I go to use 5w30 Casteroil.
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#3196132 - 03/18/13 11:53 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Zulu]
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Buy my tires from Gateway. Carry Mobil 1 oil and filter with me when I take vehicles in for rotation and balance, pay about $16 to let them change it while they have it.

DIY it's really hard to go wrong with any quality oil change special the parts stores run, just be dilligent about actually doing it.

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#3196134 - 03/18/13 11:56 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
i use toyota filters.


x2 and AC DElco for chevy and motor craft for ford I only use Moble one oil though best there is higher though I used castrol before that
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#3196435 - 03/18/13 05:45 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: jos3ywales]
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this thread is funny as heck

a lot of filter experts on here


half of them cant tell you who manufactures the toyota filter and the microns it filters or the material inside of it


but yes cantman change the filter

apply a thin film of oil on the rubber gasket or o ring tighten hand tight snug dont use a socket or wrench to tighten

i like baldwin filters of course i get them at wholesale prices

wix from napa is a good choice
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#3196503 - 03/18/13 06:50 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Deer Assassin]
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There is a lubrication place on the corner in your town very close to the square.Stop by and ask what the cash price would be. Might be about the same as doing it yourself. Worth a drive by and ask, besides chances are you have to drive by it to go to parts houses, seeing that all the auto parts stores are on the same street there. there You can pm me for more details.
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#3196510 - 03/18/13 06:55 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: Deer Whisperer]
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I use only wix and napa brand filters.. And always change your oils filter when changing the oil.. I usually only use napa brand oil or ford motorcraft oil.. But I drive a ford so.
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#3197085 - 03/19/13 10:27 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: lpo1981]
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On our 3 toyota trucks, they all have Wix filters, a 1950 Ford Wix. My 02 7.3 powerstroke, Wix. On the 01 7.3 flat bed, wix. 07 dodge 3500 wix.

Everyone has there preference, and I swear by a wix. Could be I just done it the right way when I put it on, but I love em.

Start her up let it run for 10-15 minute. Get the oil a little warm. After you drain should be able to just rotate the filter by hand. And make sure the old gasket came off and didnt stick.

Replace with what you choose to buy, rub a small about of oil around the gasket and only hand tighten.
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#3197205 - 03/19/13 11:46 AM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: CountryBoy053]
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The Toyota dealership here sells the filters 3 for $15 bucks. You can get cheaper filters but like others, I use Toyota filters.

I saw on TV last night auto zone or advance is running oil change special for $20.99 if you want to cheap out. That's the oil and filter.
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#3197225 - 03/19/13 12:06 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: SilverFox]
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I went to autozone and they had the discount for the oil and filter together. Paid just under $20 including tax. Mobil 5000 and a STP filter

Thanks everyone for the advice
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#3197267 - 03/19/13 12:37 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
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Around here you just about can't buy the stuff as cheap as you can have it done.
But what oil and filter are they useing? Most of the time its the cheaper oil and filter,and I won't put that junk in my vehicles.


Motor oil's motor oil. \:D

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#3197338 - 03/19/13 01:25 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: RUGER]
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Be glad you just got that good o toyota. my f250 holds 4 gallons of oil! lol.
about 90 bucks for me to buy my stuff to change it my self
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#3197349 - 03/19/13 01:31 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: RUGER]
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I have used every brand under the sun.. Honestly.. I have never had a single person ever tell me nor have I ever seen any type of engine failure from a fram filter.. if they were so bad they would be out of business..?? I generally use a wix.. but I wouldnt think twice about using a fram.. oil is the same way.. as long as it is the right weight and has the asnms or api or aflcio seal on the back label your good to go...
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#3197406 - 03/19/13 02:26 PM Re: oil change/filter question [Re: pressfit]
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When my dad was in the army years ago.. they "never" changed the oil in the vehicles... they would take samples and when it was dirty enough they would change the filter and add 1-2 quarts.. what ever the filter held.. Roadway truck lines used to do the same thing.. they "never" change the oil in the semi's, a filter change and a couple of quarts and it was back on the road.. I called Mobil a few years ago when I thought I wanted to run synthetic Mobil 1 in my cummings.. the tech on the phone told me that the synthetic would never wear out.. ever... he told me that if I would change the filter every 15k miles and add the 2 quarts back I would be.."good to go".. he did caution me that you could not run the synthetic in a motor that had any leaks.. well my motor only had about 90k on it,, and no leaks.. I put the Mobil 1 in there and made a 80 mile round trip.. when I got out there was oil dripping everywhere under my truck.. I thought the filter had come off.. It was the synthetic running out of a motor that had no leaks... I got it drained out and put Rotella back in it..LOL
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