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#3195039 - 03/17/13 08:52 AM This bucks timing might be off........
gator-n-buck
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A little early to have a full set of horns in velvet?

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#3195044 - 03/17/13 09:03 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: gator-n-buck]
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That actually may be a doe with horns,I've heard that they keep velvet most of the year and never drop their horns,maybe someone with real world knowledge will chime in. It would be cool to have on the wall though!
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#3195050 - 03/17/13 09:06 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: fourwheeler431]
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yep. that is a doe.look at the head shape
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#3195062 - 03/17/13 09:19 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: redblood]
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cool pic, that would definitely be a conversation pc on the wall
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#3195064 - 03/17/13 09:20 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: redblood]
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Do you have a shot from th side or walking away? I am thinking antlered doe!
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#3195068 - 03/17/13 09:22 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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Really cool right there.
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#3195072 - 03/17/13 09:27 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: BlountArrow]
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Very cool.
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#3195107 - 03/17/13 10:27 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: RUGER]
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Castrated buck. cool pics for sure.
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#3195120 - 03/17/13 11:02 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Master Chief]
in the dog house!
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Great pics!
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#3195136 - 03/17/13 11:42 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: in the dog house!]
catman529
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Sounds like a doe with horns or a buck that got his nads knocked off during the summer
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#3195139 - 03/17/13 11:49 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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That deer would be on my list!!
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#3195170 - 03/17/13 12:46 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
Castrated buck. cool pics for sure.


I agree.
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#3195230 - 03/17/13 02:31 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: monsterbuck07]
Andy S.
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Buck with an injury to his testicles/testosterone would be my guess. Anyone else notice the stained tarsal glands in the second pic?
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#3195241 - 03/17/13 02:47 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
yep. that is a doe.look at the head shape


What head shape is that?
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#3195289 - 03/17/13 03:44 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: BigGameGuy]
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Good grief Daryl.
Have you forgotten Bergmans rule about doe head shape?

Bregmans Rule:
as we move away from the cold months, and closer to summer, does become less and less swollen from being so close to the equator, thus resulting in smaller body appendages and smaller heads. The heads become more "cylindrical" in shape. Unlike bucks who have larger appendages and more "square" looking heads.

Wow...wildlife management 101.
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#3195315 - 03/17/13 04:09 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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cool
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#3195413 - 03/17/13 05:45 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: easy45]
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I say castrated buck. Would be on the ground in a heart beat!
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#3195487 - 03/17/13 06:56 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
Good grief Daryl.
Have you forgotten Bergmans rule about doe head shape?

Bregmans Rule:
as we move away from the cold months, and closer to summer, does become less and less swollen from being so close to the equator, thus resulting in smaller body appendages and smaller heads. The heads become more "cylindrical" in shape. Unlike bucks who have larger appendages and more "square" looking heads.

Wow...wildlife management 101.


I hope you just forgot the LOL at the end of that!
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#3195514 - 03/17/13 07:26 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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LOL
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#3195542 - 03/17/13 07:50 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: gator-n-buck]
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#3195617 - 03/17/13 09:07 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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I'm with some of the others. First thought was "its a doe"
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#3195718 - 03/18/13 12:33 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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Nice picture! If it's a buck then it has some issues and may need to be on the table, and if it's a doe, then it's neat enough to hang on the wall, and be on the table lol
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#3195825 - 03/18/13 07:55 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Outdoor life]
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Cool
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#3195907 - 03/18/13 08:47 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Master Chief]
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[quote=Master Chief]Castrated buck. cool pics for sure. [/quoteexactly what it is]
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#3195935 - 03/18/13 09:05 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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Most likely a buck with damaged, non-functioning, or non-existent testicles.

I see nothing in those pictures to suggest that deer is an antlered doe, although that is a possibility.
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#3195946 - 03/18/13 09:17 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: BSK]
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Im just a regular guy, but the only velveted deer during the winter months was an antlered doe. I have also seen one antlered doe killed during the season that was hard antlered.
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#3196201 - 03/18/13 01:24 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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I shot a buck in velvet afew years ago on Dec. 1. I was careful to check it over real good before and during field dressing. It had a penis but no sign of a scrotum or any scar tissue, which leads me to beleive it was not castrated. Upon field dressing I checked the innards and found no undescended testicles, one of lifes mysteries as to why he was trailing 4 does. It is on the wall and although not one of my biggest bucks it is one of my wifes favorites , she refers to it as a queer deer.
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#3196238 - 03/18/13 02:03 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: old buck 171]
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Yessir very likely a buck which his Doe wife keeps his jewels in a bag, like so many guys I know!!!
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#3196381 - 03/18/13 04:43 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Winchester]
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LOL @ Winchester
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#3196735 - 03/18/13 09:30 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Andy S.]
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I think the head and body looks just like any other young buck -- although he/she does have some long eyelashes. Cool regardless
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#3198287 - 03/20/13 11:49 AM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: Southern Sportsman]
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i think its a buck...most antlered does that i have seen pics of are not that uniform in their antler configuration
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#3198452 - 03/20/13 02:59 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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only one way to tell, but the longer thinner fore face and oversized eyes are feminine characteristics. still would wager it is a doe
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#3200151 - 03/21/13 11:01 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: catman529]
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Well I have killed 2 velveted deer during my hunting years . One was a 10 pointer killed in November about 10 years ago and the other a big 11 pointer in 2011 during last week of Dec and both were missing their testicles and had a penis about like your little finger. The first was most definately a buck but the second was a morph. It also had doe utters and milk sack . I called it "Jazz The Freak " after Jazz Bono who had a sex change ! Here is a pic of it mounted up and also a trail cam pic. It had a big body from the shoulders back. I would guessed it about 5 yrs old . The trail cam pics were in 2008.




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#3201509 - 03/23/13 12:30 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
Good grief Daryl.
Have you forgotten Bergmans rule about doe head shape?

Bregmans Rule:
as we move away from the cold months, and closer to summer, does become less and less swollen from being so close to the equator, thus resulting in smaller body appendages and smaller heads. The heads become more "cylindrical" in shape. Unlike bucks who have larger appendages and more "square" looking heads.

Wow...wildlife management 101.



Some people....
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#3201511 - 03/23/13 12:31 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: BigSatt]
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Great pics GNB.

Thanks.
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#3202854 - 03/24/13 08:44 PM Re: This bucks timing might be off........ [Re: BigSatt]
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Very interesting. One of those things I've heard of but never knew it would be nearly this common.
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