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#3192410 - 03/14/13 07:26 AM "God" particle found???
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My only question at this point would be...just who made the particle(s)?

GENEVA (AP) - Physicists said Thursday they are now confident they have discovered a crucial subatomic particle known as a Higgs boson - a major discovery that will go a long ways toward helping them explain why the universe is the way it is.

They made the statement following study of the data gathered last year from the world's largest atom-smasher, which lies beneath the Swiss-French border outside Geneva. The European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, said that what they found last year was, indeed, a version of what is popularly referred to as the "God particle."

Joe Incandela, who heads one of the two main teams at CERN that each involve several thousand scientists, said in a statement that "it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is."

The long-theorized subatomic particle would explain why matter has mass and has been considered a missing cornerstone of physics.

Last July, scientists with the world's largest atom-smasher announced finding a particle they described as Higgs-like.
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#3192443 - 03/14/13 07:59 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: TennesseeRains]
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Yea - sure they did - and some day, when God's tired of folks 'playing god' He'll put an end to it, all of it ;\)
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#3192444 - 03/14/13 08:03 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: ferg]
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#3192447 - 03/14/13 08:07 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: ferg]
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They spend alot of time, effort, and a whole lot of money to try and disprove something and they have never been able to.
What should that tell them if they are supposed to be so smart.

Give up, There is a God and He did create all of this! Just accept the facts and move on.

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#3192532 - 03/14/13 10:01 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: huntinkev]
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Science seems to scare/bother a lot of folks. Regardless of any religious beliefs, the universe operates in many ways that can be explained. Superstitions cannot be proven so people can believe whatever they want.
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#3192548 - 03/14/13 10:33 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: huntinkev]
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higgs boson...
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#3192564 - 03/14/13 10:58 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Gut Bucket]
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 Originally Posted By: Gut Bucket
Science seems to scare/bother a lot of folks. Regardless of any religious beliefs, the universe operates in many ways that can be explained. Superstitions cannot be proven so people can believe whatever they want.


This is correct, but also remember that on the other hand, there are many things that people believe and accept as scientific "fact" are merely theories, held up by other theories, and the list goes on. Science rarely "proves" anything, but it often "supports" things. For this reason, science truly is a religion to many people. But there are many things in the universe that cannot be explained, and never will be.

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#3192567 - 03/14/13 11:01 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: EastTNHunter]
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 Originally Posted By: EastTNHunter
But there are many things in the universe that cannot be explained, and never will be.


...or need to be ;\)
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#3192569 - 03/14/13 11:02 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
Yea - sure they did - and some day, when God's tired of folks 'playing god' He'll put an end to it, all of it ;\)



Im with you ferg!!
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#3192582 - 03/14/13 11:21 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Rob R.]
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 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
 Originally Posted By: ferg
Yea - sure they did - and some day, when God's tired of folks 'playing god' He'll put an end to it, all of it ;\)



Im with you ferg!!


Boy, that's a swell attitude. If Newton, Einstein, Pasteur, Copernicus, Darwin, Da Vinci and a few other individuals had followed that philosophy, we might still be living in the Dark Ages.

It is shortsighted and possibly a bit self indulgent to think that the motivating factor behind science is to disprove the notion of God. I would think to the contrary: the more you understand about the universe and its inner workings, the more you understand about God. At the very least, it is of no more threat to religion than understanding that the Earth is not the center of the universe, how gravity works, the practice of Alchemy, advanced technology, mico biology, biology in general, understanding bacteria, medical treatment, nano technology, etc (the list goes on), all of which benefit every member of this forum in direct and indirect manners without suffering the loss of a single ounce of faith.

The term the "God Particle" is not even a scientific name. That's just what the press calls it because it is more explanatory than the "Higgs Boson." This is a (missing link) cornerstone of physics that Eisenstein was onto. It is a big deal.
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#3192618 - 03/14/13 11:48 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Poser]
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There have been a few times i've had someone ask me , "how do you know God is real?"
My answer is always the same , I tell them to come hunting with me one morning and watch the world wake up , then ask me the same question , lol.
That's my answer when i'm asked that question , but thet can never answer me when I ask them how they dont believe in God.
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#3192631 - 03/14/13 12:03 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
 Originally Posted By: ferg
Yea - sure they did - and some day, when God's tired of folks 'playing god' He'll put an end to it, all of it ;\)



Im with you ferg!!


Boy, that's a swell attitude. If Newton, Einstein, Pasteur, Copernicus, Darwin, Da Vinci and a few other individuals had followed that philosophy, we might still be living in the Dark Ages.

It is shortsighted and possibly a bit self indulgent to think that the motivating factor behind science is to disprove the notion of God. I would think to the contrary: the more you understand about the universe and its inner workings, the more you understand about God. At the very least, it is of no more threat to religion than understanding that the Earth is not the center of the universe, how gravity works, the practice of Alchemy, advanced technology, mico biology, biology in general, understanding bacteria, medical treatment, nano technology, etc (the list goes on), all of which benefit every member of this forum in direct and indirect manners without suffering the loss of a single ounce of faith.

The term the "God Particle" is not even a scientific name. That's just what the press calls it because it is more explanatory than the "Higgs Boson." This is a (missing link) cornerstone of physics that Eisenstein was onto. It is a big deal.


I agree, but during the times of those great scientist they didnt have the liberal media twisting it either. "God Particle" is a slap in the face IMO.
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#3192670 - 03/14/13 12:52 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: AT Hiker]
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
I agree, but during the times of those great scientist they didnt have the liberal media twisting it either. "God Particle" is a slap in the face IMO.


Quick boys get a gun and shoot your tv, take a hammer to that iPhone, and somebody get me a match we need to burn these newspapers. The liberal media is out to twist our minds and eat our children.

My only question is if I take a member of the liberal media, tie him up, and throw him in the water. Will he float? If he does, you know what that means? They're witches! ;\)
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#3192675 - 03/14/13 12:58 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: WMAn]
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#3192676 - 03/14/13 12:58 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: WMAn]
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All joking aside, in response to Poser's point, we need science. I think what all too often what we miss out on is the connection between knowing something, knowing why it's important, and how to make it beneficial.

Regardless of what you believe, it's important that everyone realize that we are a small part of something much bigger than ourselves. This fact eludes many whose faith is in God or whose faith is in science or anything else.

Also, regardless of your beliefs, there's always a chance that you might be wrong.

And Poser, Pasteur? The germ theory. C'mon man! You can come up with a better example than that of good science. Or maybe good science that hasn't been taken too far. Pasteur is more of Redblood's kind of science. Pasteur is not for the rare meat crowd, like you and I.
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#3192728 - 03/14/13 01:50 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: huntinkev]
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 Originally Posted By: huntinkev


Give up, There is a God and He did create all of this! Just accept the facts and move on.


God and science are not mutually exclusive, even if religion thinks they are. If our ancestors had adopted this mentality centuries ago, we wouldn't have the lives we have. Having an understanding of our universe, our planet, our bodies, our environment, etc. doesn't have to fly in the face of religion.
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#3192741 - 03/14/13 02:10 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: TAFKAP]
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I have no issue with science - my only point was, at some point, when God has had enough, He'll put a stop to it.

And for the record it should 'god particle' (small 'g' in by book)
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#3192832 - 03/14/13 05:12 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser

The term the "God Particle" is not even a scientific name. That's just what the press calls it because it is more explanatory than the "Higgs Boson." This is a (missing link) cornerstone of physics that Eisenstein was onto. It is a big deal.


That's just what the press calls it because it is more CONTROVERSIAL than...
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#3192835 - 03/14/13 05:20 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
I have no issue with science - my only point was, at some point, when God has had enough, He'll put a stop to it.

And for the record it should 'god particle' (small 'g' in by book)



Why would God get tired of it and put a stop to it?

Science and religion don't have to be at odds with each other. The simplest explanation that works for either side IMO is that God made everything the way he did to challenge us. He created a big puzzle that we are trying to figure out. Who knows, if or when we figure it all out, our "prize" may be eternal euphoric life with God. Heaven.
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#3192840 - 03/14/13 05:22 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: WMAn]
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 Originally Posted By: WMAn
 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
I agree, but during the times of those great scientist they didnt have the liberal media twisting it either. "God Particle" is a slap in the face IMO.


Quick boys get a gun and shoot your tv, take a hammer to that iPhone, and somebody get me a match we need to burn these newspapers. The liberal media is out to twist our minds and eat our children.

My only question is if I take a member of the liberal media, tie him up, and throw him in the water. Will he float? If he does, you know what that means? They're witches! ;\)


Cool...I guess I struck a nerve or something
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#3192861 - 03/14/13 05:51 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: BamaProud]
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My oh my what have I missed. I dont have a problem with science at all. Most all the things we have today are because of some kind of science. What I do have a problem with is scientist trying to discredit or disprove that there is God. Not a god but the one and only God! The thought that all we are and all we have is because of a theory (Big Bang)! Please!!
As for the "God" particle found. Here is how I look at that. Genesis 1:27 says "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them" NIV. Isn't it possible that you and I and every human being that is, has ever been or will ever be has some "God" particle in ourselves or themselves?
Maybe the folks that claimed to have found a "God" particle have been looking in all the wrong places. Maybe they should have been looking in the mirror.
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#3192865 - 03/14/13 06:03 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Rob R.]
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 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
What I do have a problem with is scientist trying to discredit or disprove that there is God.


I have never seen any theory, experiment, hypothesis, or otherwise that set out to disprove there is a God. As a matter of fact, I don't think I have seen God mentioned in any scientific writing at all.
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#3192870 - 03/14/13 06:14 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: BamaProud]
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Excellent point.
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#3192897 - 03/14/13 07:01 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
What I do have a problem with is scientist trying to discredit or disprove that there is God.


Please provide a link to a published article in a scientific journal stating this. I've never seen one and would like to read it.
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#3192898 - 03/14/13 07:02 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
 Originally Posted By: ferg
Yea - sure they did - and some day, when God's tired of folks 'playing god' He'll put an end to it, all of it ;\)



Im with you ferg!!


Boy, that's a swell attitude. If Newton, Einstein, Pasteur, Copernicus, Darwin, Da Vinci and a few other individuals had followed that philosophy, we might still be living in the Dark Ages.

It is shortsighted and possibly a bit self indulgent to think that the motivating factor behind science is to disprove the notion of God. I would think to the contrary: the more you understand about the universe and its inner workings, the more you understand about God. At the very least, it is of no more threat to religion than understanding that the Earth is not the center of the universe, how gravity works, the practice of Alchemy, advanced technology, mico biology, biology in general, understanding bacteria, medical treatment, nano technology, etc (the list goes on), all of which benefit every member of this forum in direct and indirect manners without suffering the loss of a single ounce of faith.

The term the "God Particle" is not even a scientific name. That's just what the press calls it because it is more explanatory than the "Higgs Boson." This is a (missing link) cornerstone of physics that Eisenstein was onto. It is a big deal.

Considering the fact the world is going to all" to hell in a hand basket" so quickly these days. We may very well have been better off before so much technolgy came into our lives.
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#3192962 - 03/14/13 08:10 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
What I do have a problem with is scientist trying to discredit or disprove that there is God.


Please provide a link to a published article in a scientific journal stating this. I've never seen one and would like to read it.


Buzzard Breath, I cannot give you proof to back of my statement as it is merely my humble opinion.
I question the science of dating of rock and bone and such and wonder how it corresponds with the Bible. I question any science that in my opinion trys to dispel God and Jesus. I just see God and religion being attacked on a daily occurance and have grown very tired of it. I am no Einstein or anything like that and will never claim to be. At the moment Im wondering why I'm even typing this. I made a comment that I agreed with ferg and here I am. I just am of the opinion that my good ole United States of America is dying. It is dying because God is being taken of every corner of our lives and existence. Our government is regulating God out of existence.
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#3192975 - 03/14/13 08:26 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
What I do have a problem with is scientist trying to discredit or disprove that there is God.


Please provide a link to a published article in a scientific journal stating this. I've never seen one and would like to read it.


And you probably will not find a "published" article, and if you did it would likely be from a source one would consider discredited (like anything other than a .gov or .edu source). But watch a series of TED speakers or some physicist talk and you will quickly determine who believes and who does not, and those that do not are quick to point out what they call "flaws" in creationism and/or genisis. I have never heard Stephen Hawking come right out and say if he believes in God or not, but in A Illustrated Theory of Everything, Hawking did mention God and the Big Bang.

Then you have Richard Dawkins, now that guy obviously has his opinions on religion.

In order to understand scientist from the get go you have to accept the four different views of religion or belief or whatever you want to call it; agnostic,gnostic, atheist, and theist...these all of course overlap and form different groups like an "atheist agnostic" or someone who does not believe in god and also thinks that the existence of gods cannot be known, in other words this might mean that they donít believe in god because they havenít seen any evidence that supports their existence.

So of course you would see an article come right out and say they do or do not believe in God, it is more complicated than that. Hence the problem I have with them calling it the "God Particle", the liberal media is simply trying to make a mockery of something that is irrelevant to the research.
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#3193003 - 03/14/13 08:53 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Rob R.]
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 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
At the moment Im wondering why I'm even typing this.


I'm with you on this. I personally try to stay out of the General Forum because the two subjects I won't talk about while hunting are religion and politics. You can take two people that have the same beliefs and they will still find a way to fight about something when talking about religion and politics. Every now and then, I get suckered into a topic and just can't leave well enough alone.

Thank you for your honesty. Have a good evening and its time for me to head back to the outdoor forums.
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#3193021 - 03/14/13 09:08 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Buzzard Breath]
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 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
At the moment Im wondering why I'm even typing this.


I'm with you on this. I personally try to stay out of the General Forum because the two subjects I won't talk about while hunting are religion and politics. You can take two people that have the same beliefs and they will still find a way to fight about something when talking about religion and politics. Every now and then, I get suckered into a topic and just can't leave well enough alone.

Thank you for your honesty. Have a good evening and its time for me to head back to the outdoor forums.


Thank you sir and you have a good evening also.
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#3193030 - 03/14/13 09:13 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: Rob R.]
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 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
At the moment Im wondering why I'm even typing this.


I'm with you on this. I personally try to stay out of the General Forum because the two subjects I won't talk about while hunting are religion and politics. You can take two people that have the same beliefs and they will still find a way to fight about something when talking about religion and politics. Every now and then, I get suckered into a topic and just can't leave well enough alone.

Thank you for your honesty. Have a good evening and its time for me to head back to the outdoor forums.


Thank you sir and you have a good evening also.


What a cotton picking minute. That isn't the way a political or religious discussion is supposed to end on the internet. Someone has to get mad and start calling names, making unsubstantiated claims against other persons character and stuff. Logical, respectful discussion has no place here! (no actually that was refreshing)
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#3193042 - 03/14/13 09:28 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
At the moment Im wondering why I'm even typing this.


I'm with you on this. I personally try to stay out of the General Forum because the two subjects I won't talk about while hunting are religion and politics. You can take two people that have the same beliefs and they will still find a way to fight about something when talking about religion and politics. Every now and then, I get suckered into a topic and just can't leave well enough alone.

Thank you for your honesty. Have a good evening and its time for me to head back to the outdoor forums.


Thank you sir and you have a good evening also.


What a cotton picking minute. That isn't the way a political or religious discussion is supposed to end on the internet. Someone has to get mad and start calling names, making unsubstantiated claims against other persons character and stuff. Logical, respectful discussion has no place here! (no actually that was refreshing)


Thanks BamaProud.
One of these days Im going to explain to you and everybody else on TnDeer why I wont intentionally belittle, argue with or name call anyone on this site. Its a really long story, not very pretty and something that I had just rather not talk about at this time. But it is something that I will share one day. I only know one person personally on TnDeer. And that would be my son. But I consider you guys and girls my extended family. I laugh with yall and I cry with yall. And I always look forward to hanging out here.
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#3193420 - 03/15/13 12:22 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: ferg
I have no issue with science - my only point was, at some point, when God has had enough, He'll put a stop to it.

And for the record it should 'god particle' (small 'g' in by book)



Why would God get tired of it and put a stop to it?

Science and religion don't have to be at odds with each other. The simplest explanation that works for either side IMO is that God made everything the way he did to challenge us. He created a big puzzle that we are trying to figure out. Who knows, if or when we figure it all out, our "prize" may be eternal euphoric life with God. Heaven.


Tired of folks trying to 'play God' more along the lines of genetic re-engineering etc - cloning people etc - that's God's work not man's.


and eternal euphoric life with God has already been guaranteed to me with the death of Jesus on the Cross - the rest is up to me, no puzzle required. \:\)
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#3193422 - 03/15/13 12:27 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: ferg]
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Hate to break it to the geniuses at CERN...

But EVERYTHING is a God Particle.
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#3194081 - 03/15/13 11:15 PM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: BMan]
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In my humble opinion I believe God is the universe's best SCIENTIST. It appears to me he has mastered physics, chemistry, biology, astrophysics, and many other sciences PERFECTLY.
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#3196104 - 03/18/13 11:21 AM Re: "God" particle found??? [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
In my humble opinion I believe God is the universe's best SCIENTIST. It appears to me he has mastered physics, chemistry, biology, astrophysics, and many other sciences PERFECTLY.


Yep and we should all strive to be like him right? I just find it hard to believe that God would have any problem with his people using their minds that he blessed them with to explore and discover the things he created. There is no conspiracy in the scientific community to disprove religion. Most of us are religious, just like in every other profession.
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