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#3185057 - 03/06/13 08:44 AM What happens
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#3185099 - 03/06/13 09:11 AM Re: What happens [Re: Wildcat]
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If we stand any chance at all as a country, conservatives or a free people, we have to not only retain the House and take the Senate, but we have to get rid of these Rinos and Soft branded "conservatives" that run the GOP.

We need outspoken conservatives that can market a message. What good is representation if they can't articulate the message?

The democrats sell socialism and the people buy it. There is no alternative on the shelves. We NEED to create competition in the marketplace of ideas. Packaging liberty to look more like the Democrat's idea of National Socialism is not a good strategy and that is what the GOP has been trying to do with this "Big tent" rebranding and amnesty and pro-gay marriage evolution.

Go big or go home \:\)
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#3185105 - 03/06/13 09:17 AM Re: What happens [Re: Crappie Luck]
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All these gun control bills are a symptom of a larger problem. They are not the problem themselves.

The larger problem is people voting for Socialism and total govt. control at a state and local level and then expecting the federal govt. to stand for individual liberty.

House Representatives are elected at a local level and they carry that district's policies to Washington. Senator's as well but with more of a federal election type campaign.

If people cannot elect conservatives at a local level yet they want to fight gun control and Obama care are a national level, we are doomed. Liberalism is a disease. Kill the disease BEFORE it's a pandemic, not when it's spread to the entire country.
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#3185146 - 03/06/13 09:54 AM Re: What happens [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Crappie is right. But HOW do you sell it?

The socialist model has been sold over and over for thousands of years with the same result. The marketing and sales pitch is very seductive even if it IS based on a lie.

Freedom is a slippery fish. What does it mean? What IS freedom? Most people don't realize how controlled and oppressed we are. The same people who will gamble their last $5 in gubment money on scratch off tickets, are the same people who think taking personal responsibility for their lives and getting a job or starting a business is "too risky".

One thing I have realized over and over is that most people are MORE AFRAID of loosing what they have, than they are MOTIVATED to take a risk and work hard to get what they really desire.

Socialist/progressives have used that fear to great advantage. Fear is a powerful motivator. Hope is too but its less tangible and immediate. Hope is what Reagan showed the people and why he was so loved and effective. His ability to communicate was a beam of light through the choking smokescreen of fear and doubt perpetuated by the progressive/socialists.

WE need to be that beacon of light and hope on an individual level. Stop looking to the Federal Government to "Fix" anything, especially itself.

The battle will be fought at home. In the city commission, county seats, state legislatures. Then the STATES can nullify the horrors of national socialism perpetuated by the Federal Government simply by saying... "no thanks".

No violence needed. No civil war, no guns or bullets. Simply elect enough good folks from the ground up who will say..."naah we are going to pass on your horrible idea".

Its really hard to have a war if nobody shows up.
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#3185251 - 03/06/13 11:32 AM Re: What happens [Re: fishboy1]
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We are over the cliff; too little too late. Nobody cares enough to do anything about it. America will not wake up in time to save us.

Plan accordingly. We are in for some rough times.
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#3185483 - 03/06/13 03:14 PM Re: What happens [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
We are over the cliff; too little too late. Nobody cares enough to do anything about it. America will not wake up in time to save us.

Plan accordingly. We are in for some rough times.


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#3186213 - 03/07/13 09:26 AM Re: What happens [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
We are over the cliff; too little too late. Nobody cares enough to do anything about it. America will not wake up in time to save us.

Plan accordingly. We are in for some rough times.


While I totally agree with you, I must ask, "Plan for what?" "For how long?"

Once we fall from the cliff, there will be no recovery. Some form of dictatorship will necessarily arise. The Republic will be over for good. The great experiment will have finally failed.
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#3186217 - 03/07/13 09:31 AM Re: What happens [Re: Still-n-Quiet]
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What ensures a dictatorship? Never in history has a dictator been installed without the backing of the military.

Who is the muscle behind such a coup?
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#3186468 - 03/07/13 01:47 PM Re: What happens [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
What ensures a dictatorship? Never in history has a dictator been installed without the backing of the military.

Who is the muscle behind such a coup?



It's not going to happen overnight, but the The Kenyan and his minions are working overtime to recreate the US military in their own image.
1. Gays and other deviants being welcomed with open arms
2. Women in combat roles encouraged and other standards lowered
3. Generals and any others who show an ounce of backbone being forced out and/or leaving in droves

The military is being emasculated and eviscerated as we watch.
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#3186479 - 03/07/13 02:00 PM Re: What happens [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Our military is being destroyed as we speak, but what is to replace it?

When that force takes form, we'll possibly see the enforcement that will/can install a dictator. As it stands today, the forces that wish to install Obama (or any other) as a supreme ruler of this country lack the force to suppress a resistance.

I'm not convinced ANY force could do it. If 1/2 of the 50% who oppose Obama has the will to stand for our Constitution, that puts the numbers at around 75 Million.

That's a large number to oppress. If only 1% of those are willing to fight to the bitter end, they outnumber the current forces fighting us in Afghanistan.

Imagine a million or so saboteurs loose in this country. The havoc they could wreck on an Utopia would be chaos.
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