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#3172798 - 02/22/13 08:01 AM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: hunter0925]
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Not that I like another Constitutional right kicked around, but this law has been in place since 1971. They just updated the language, changed "willingly and knowingly" to just "knowlingly".

Still think it's crap, and shows this governmental shift has been slowly happening for a long time regardless of which party is in control.
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#3173080 - 02/22/13 12:41 PM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: Redfred16]
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Posts: 7579
Loc: Murfreesboro, TN

Gotta wonder how many "if's" were used in the explanation of the bill and who/what it is aimed toward. For lack of any other "facts" to go on, I'll go ahead and assume it will be used for it's intended purpose less often than it will be used as it wasn't intended. Does anyone else get tired of having to hear about the crap legislation that is heaped upon us AFTER it's passed?
#3173105 - 02/22/13 01:23 PM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: Hangnail]
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At the GSMNP the sign states it's a United Nations Global Biosphere... At the two visitor centers, there is a desinated "free speech zone". Protesters are not allowed anywhere else in the park except in these designated spots.

go to this link for more info on what I'm referring to.

Good night Chesty, wherever you are!

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#3173204 - 02/22/13 03:18 PM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: hunter0925]
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Registered: 07/25/11
Posts: 610
Loc: Somerville, TN

Found this very interesting article on the web. Read it and diecide for yourself what is this country coming too.

Very interesting... If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly. I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists. God help us all if it ever does happen.

PS: Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan, grew up in the Indiana, Illinois, and Texas, and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan. His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name "D.H. Garrison, Jr."

Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo & I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash & I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, & let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way. Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans & African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president & voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.

For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth & keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, & tendencies prove that to insure peace, security & happiness, the rifle & pistol are equally indispensable, the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.

We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, & many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense & not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority cannot take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin & it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, & though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, & what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous & radical or subversive, & it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them & to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out & saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small & growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives & anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns & I leave a few of them wounded or dead, & I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison & may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty & yours. It is self-defense & it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s & we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
This is a case of right & wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, & the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up & submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas & Patriotic Americans take [beeep] off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon & I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon & my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us & we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side. Are you willing to die to take my guns?
Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him --- better take a closer look at the American Indian." ~Henry Ford

#3174127 - 02/23/13 06:55 PM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: varminthunter123]
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Registered: 01/21/13
Posts: 1092
Loc: TN, Rhea,

Varminthunter, I will stand and would hope that there are many more than 20% on this site that would also. My only fear is for the safety of my famil due to my stance, but should I fail to stand thae their future is already sealed.
We the unwanted, do the unthinkable, for the ungrateful.
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#3174298 - 02/23/13 10:09 PM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: hunter0925]
in the dog house!
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Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 10301
Loc: west tn

More need to speak with out fear. I fear not for me, but for the mindless that will allow themselves to become slaves. I will not. I will protect our inalienable rights. I feel sure its more than 20% here, but last I heard Obummer has 55% approval rating. It only took 9% the first time around. How much will it take, this, the 2nd time...........I will defend my families, and my rights.

Edited by in the dog house! (02/23/13 10:10 PM)
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#3176429 - 02/26/13 06:06 AM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: in the dog house!]
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Registered: 08/12/12
Posts: 297
Loc: Ohio

First people need to stop using the term "framers" and "founders" as if they all were of one sort, they weren't. They were no different than today just less of them, the good the bad and the ugly. Second the same framers and founders (some) were responsible for the first gun control laws forbidding Native Americans and slaves from arms and it is those infringements of freedom we are paying for today. Many supported it.

Be very careful about espousing views that claim you will shoot someone down, you may just be being sorted out. Who tells an enemy what they are going to do to stop them before they stop them? Prepare for bad times, but we're for the most part here hunters, act like it or do you go through the woods telling every animal your after your coming?

People really don't get freedom, they think it's about their rights, it isn't, it's about not infringing upon another's rights for gain that protects our own. If any freedom loving person wants to be proactive in protecting freedom their is only one course, to love your neighbor. If people did, government wouldn't go away, but would become all but extinct. Hate is what feeds government, it is empowered to regulate were ever hate breeds. If you doubt it just ask yourself what is giving the current government the opportunity to take away the second?

Edited by nodog (02/26/13 06:08 AM)

#3176689 - 02/26/13 10:39 AM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: nodog]
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Posts: 62020
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 Originally Posted By: nodog
First people need to stop using the term "framers" and "founders" as if they all were of one sort, they weren't. They were no different than today just less of them, the good the bad and the ugly. Second the same framers and founders (some) were responsible for the first gun control laws forbidding Native Americans and slaves from arms and it is those infringements of freedom we are paying for today. Many supported it.

At the time, they were at war with the Native Americans. Not allowing them to have arms was not an infringement on rights, it was self preservation.

To not do so would by like selling the Muslim Brotherhood F-15s.........Oh wait...

....never mind.
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#3178367 - 02/27/13 05:03 PM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Registered: 08/12/12
Posts: 297
Loc: Ohio

read the history on it. Time and time again the NA were told of a government promise and time and time again the promise was broken, they had on constitutional guarantees. What would you do without the second being as strong as it is? You may get the chance to be @ war with the US government. Will they then be justified in taking your guns away?

#3178736 - 02/28/13 01:27 AM Re: New Law Creates ‘No Free Speech Zones’ [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Posts: 6170
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
If they can choose to ignore the Constitution, we can declare them irrelevant and the laws that pass non-binding. They govern by the consent of the Governed, not the other way around.

You and I have an OBLIGATION to ignore ANY law that supersedes the Constitution.

This is an unenforceable and impeachable offense.

I agree, but find us a Senate that would impeach this fraud of a President—it wouldn't happen, no matter what he has done or will do.

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