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#3178122 - 02/27/13 01:37 PM Gun control dying on the vine
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House Judiciary chairman rejects universal checks on gun purchases


The House Judiciary Committee will not include a universal background check system in legislation it produces to reduce gun violence, the panel’s chairman, Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), said Wednesday.


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Feinstein's 'assault weapon' ban goes to committee, as bans become irrelevant

At 10:00 AM Eastern Time today, Senator Dianne Feinstein's (D-CA) S. 150, to ban so-called "assault weapons," and "to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited," will be heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee. S. 150 has perhaps an even chance of being passed in committee, and proceeding to the Senate floor. Once there, as St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner has noted before, further progress looks exceedingly unlikely, with the caveat that a Beslan-scale massacre committed with such firearms could energize the gun ban fanatics (and intimidate our congressional "allies") beyond anything we have ever experienced.

Meanwhile, the Judiciary Committee members should take note that "assault weapons" bans are on the cusp of becoming irrelevant (there's still time--if you do it right now--to call them and tell them). On Sunday, the hard working, liberty loving innovators of Defense Distributed brought their "Wiki Weapon" project to an entirely new level (see sidebar video). They have now used a 3-D printer to "print" a plastic lower receiver for an AR-15 "assault weapon," rugged enough to stand up to hundreds of rounds (and counting). They will soon be making the CAD files available for free to anyone with internet access.

http://www.examiner.com/article/feinstei...come-irrelevant
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#3178129 - 02/27/13 01:45 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Crappie Luck]
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no surpirse here..I just wish ammo prices would come down and supplies would get back to normal.
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#3178540 - 02/27/13 07:33 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: cecil30-30]
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This is not going to die or go away. They are coming after them.
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#3178554 - 02/27/13 07:49 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Stalkhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Stalkhunter
This is not going to die or go away. They are coming after them.


All the more important that we retain control of the house in the next mid-term election...gun control, for the most part is dead but if the Dumbocrats regain control of both Houses it will be on full-board and there will be nothing we can do—outside of an uprising to stop it.
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#3178674 - 02/27/13 09:59 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: Stalkhunter
This is not going to die or go away. They are coming after them.


All the more important that we retain control of the house in the next mid-term election...gun control, for the most part is dead but if the Dumbocrats regain control of both Houses it will be on full-board and there will be nothing we can do—outside of an uprising to stop it.


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#3178714 - 02/27/13 11:27 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TnTurk]
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The gun control debate will never go away. I agree to all that we must regain the house and I believe in the end that we should also prepair (hopefully this is never needed) for an uprising should the time come.
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#3178762 - 02/28/13 05:01 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: hunter0925]
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Agreed. We must still remain vigilant against those who would seek to destroy the foundation of our country...and it is NOT over, and sadly never will be, but as long as we have true Americans keeping up the fight for freedoms given us by our Constitution, hope lives. ;\)
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#3178857 - 02/28/13 07:19 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: MUP]
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Good Lord.

Gun control is NOT dying. Look all around you in all 50 states. What is going on at ALL levels, federal, state, county and city??? Gun control bill after gun control bill is being pushed in one form or another. Not all of them will get passed and become law but several HAVE.

Look at the State of New York, tell the gun owners up there it's dying.

Look at the State of Colorado, one more vote on one single bill and Megpul is moving out of the state. Tell the gun owners over there it's dying.

The Minutemen won at Lexington and Concord was the war over then??? It had just STARTED.
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#3178877 - 02/28/13 07:33 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Wildcat]
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Gun control aka confiscation will never die as the folks pushing it are true believes. True believers NEVER quit..
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#3178913 - 02/28/13 07:55 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TOW]
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I think stories like that are published to try and cool down the pro-gun movement. The media and our corrupt government know full well the voice of the people is getting louder and louder over the 2nd ammendment. Obama played his hand on gun control too soon.
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#3178916 - 02/28/13 08:00 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Rebel]
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#3179024 - 02/28/13 09:27 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TOW]
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Dead, absolutely not! It never will be, but it looks like the knee-jerk reaction is dieing down.

The fact is since the late 80's/early 90's gun control has been steadily trending in our favor. A large majority of the public supports the right to own guns. Very few politicians are actually supporting all this media hyped anti-gun legislation. They know support of ant-gun issues is not good for their careers.

There are folks that want to ban all guns and they are getting a LOT of attention right now, but they are fighting a tough battle.
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#3179025 - 02/28/13 09:28 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Good Lord.

Gun control is NOT dying. Look all around you in all 50 states. What is going on at ALL levels, federal, state, county and city??? Gun control bill after gun control bill is being pushed in one form or another. Not all of them will get passed and become law but several HAVE.

Look at the State of New York, tell the gun owners up there it's dying.

Look at the State of Colorado, one more vote on one single bill and Megpul is moving out of the state. Tell the gun owners over there it's dying.

The Minutemen won at Lexington and Concord was the war over then??? It had just STARTED.


It's not succeeding either. Yes, many states are trying to pass their own gun control despite the fact that SCOTUS has already ruled them to be unconstitutional.

http://www.myillinoisdefenselawyer.com/2...constitutional/

Firearm and firearm accessory companies moving out of liberal states is NOT a defeat, it's a strategic WIN for conservative states. Let the states who did NOT vote for Obama have the jobs and taxes.

I don't see all roses. But I'm cautious optimistic with the way this is all playing out.
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#3179028 - 02/28/13 09:31 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Debate over gun proposals rages across state (Georgia)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Newtown school massacre has provoked fiery debates at the federal and state levels on whether to scale back the rights of gun owners.

But in Georgia, the focus isn’t entirely on curtailing gun rights.

Many of the more than two dozen gun bills filed so far in the General Assembly are pushing for expanded access to firearms across the Peach State.

This legislative session, following the shooting of 20 students and six adults in a Connecticut elementary school, the debate has been amplified to the point that both sides have the potential to drown out each other and get nothing done.

“I have a real disposition against legislating to exploit a tragedy,” House Speaker David Ralston, R-Blue Ridge, said last week during a legislative forum hosted by the University of Georgia. “You may see one or two of these measures move, but I don’t think you’ll see a dramatic shift.”

Across U.S., in Georgia

The debate comes amid national deliberation over gun safety. Congress is expected this week to begin considering legislation that could include expanding background checks for gun buyers and increasing penalties for those who buy guns for criminals.

The debate is also playing out in state capitols across the country. In one closely watched debate, Colorado legislators are considering a package of gun-control bills that include banning weapons on college campuses, requiring background checks on all gun sales and limiting ammunition magazines to 15 rounds.

In Georgia, the pieces of legislation under consideration cover familiar topics, such as whether students should be allowed to carry guns on college campuses and should assault weapons be banned in the state altogether.

But other issues have risen to the top, including expanding mental health checks for gun owners who want to “conceal and carry”

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/debate-over-gun-proposals-rages-across-state/nWcWg/
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#3179033 - 02/28/13 09:36 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#3179046 - 02/28/13 09:48 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Crappie Luck]
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As many anti-gun measures as there are on the books, there are just as many bills on the books to protect (even broaden) gun rights.

As of last Friday, even the ultra restrictive Illinois will now allowing concealed carry as their prohibition on concealed carry was ruled unconstitutional. So as of July 1(pending appeals) concealed carry will be legal in all 50 states. Just 5 or years ago there were several states that didn't allow it.
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#3179086 - 02/28/13 10:25 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Rebel]
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I think the Kenyan is testing the waters. In typical fascist fashion he didn't waste a tragedy to push an agenda but he wanted to see how winds were blowing. If he had numbers he would have advanced (and may still) quicker but knowing he don't have the support he needs from elected officials and citizens he may let this rest for a bit.

BUT- it's NOT over.
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#3179139 - 02/28/13 10:52 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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No wonder Obama won. Those same people said he would NOT win.

We might as well call the NRA and tell them to back off and save our money since it will be wasted fighting nothing.

Attorney General Horder said the other day on a ABC News interview that he thinks the AR and high cap mag ban will pass so since he's always been wrong we might as well call our Representatives and tell them to forget the so called anti-gun bills, they are never going to pass anyway so don't waste any more of the time and to go back to the real job and get a budget passed. That really would be easy since we've passed one every year, right??
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#3179264 - 02/28/13 01:03 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Wildcat]
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Awe, c'mon Wildcat. Nobody said it's time to give up. I just posted some good news. We're winning. Not sure how that means it's time to surrender?

IT's TIME TO DOUBLE DOWN and NOT LET UP \:\)
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#3179591 - 02/28/13 06:33 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Wish all you want Gun Ban isnt dying, and wont. Hell TN just voted down its blocking the feds if confiscation comes. Now Switz had a mass shooting. Hang on Blue hats will be coming.
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#3179603 - 02/28/13 06:45 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Stalkhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Stalkhunter
Wish all you want Gun Ban isnt dying, and wont. Hell TN just voted down its blocking the feds if confiscation comes. Now Switz had a mass shooting. Hang on Blue hats will be coming.


Now Switz had a mass shooting, well now after reading and this maybe cold, but 3 people being killed is not a mass shooting. Its tragic yes but it is sensationalized by the media. The agenda is set by the Puppet Masters. Watch for the selling of our natural resource rights in this country to China. Then you will understand more why they want the Guns.
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#3179858 - 02/28/13 10:24 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Rebel]
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#3179976 - 03/01/13 07:00 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Debate over gun proposals rages across state (Georgia)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Newtown school massacre has provoked fiery debates at the federal and state levels on whether to scale back the rights of gun owners.

But in Georgia, the focus isn’t entirely on curtailing gun rights.

Many of the more than two dozen gun bills filed so far in the General Assembly are pushing for expanded access to firearms across the Peach State.

This legislative session, following the shooting of 20 students and six adults in a Connecticut elementary school, the debate has been amplified to the point that both sides have the potential to drown out each other and get nothing done.

“I have a real disposition against legislating to exploit a tragedy,” House Speaker David Ralston, R-Blue Ridge, said last week during a legislative forum hosted by the University of Georgia. “You may see one or two of these measures move, but I don’t think you’ll see a dramatic shift.”

Across U.S., in Georgia

The debate comes amid national deliberation over gun safety. Congress is expected this week to begin considering legislation that could include expanding background checks for gun buyers and increasing penalties for those who buy guns for criminals.

The debate is also playing out in state capitols across the country. In one closely watched debate, Colorado legislators are considering a package of gun-control bills that include banning weapons on college campuses, requiring background checks on all gun sales and limiting ammunition magazines to 15 rounds.

In Georgia, the pieces of legislation under consideration cover familiar topics, such as whether students should be allowed to carry guns on college campuses and should assault weapons be banned in the state altogether.

But other issues have risen to the top, including expanding mental health checks for gun owners who want to “conceal and carry”

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/debate-over-gun-proposals-rages-across-state/nWcWg/


Its actually looking good for a couple of the pro bills here in GA.this year right now.


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#3180056 - 03/01/13 08:28 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Stalkhunter]
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Wish all you want Gun Ban isnt dying, and wont. Hell TN just voted down its blocking the feds if confiscation comes. Now Switz had a mass shooting. Hang on Blue hats will be coming.
That bill was meaningless and all the other states who passed bills similar to it was also.It was nothing more than political postureing.Had TN passed it,and the fed govt passed a AWB or some gun control measure and TN not enforce it, all the govt would have to do is threaten to withhold federal tax money from TN if they don't enforce it..

And gun control may not be dead,but its clear that there isn't going to be any new major gun control laws passed with this congress,the Dem's don't even have enough support with in their own party.
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#3180262 - 03/01/13 12:36 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: cecil30-30]
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Since these state level bills/laws violate the federal preemption(Article VI clause 2) clause of the Constitution, it would be unconstitutional anyhow. I hate to see us start picking and choosing what portions of the Constitution we want to follow. The whole document is the law of the land, not just pieces of it.
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#3180382 - 03/01/13 02:38 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TNGunsmoke]
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 Originally Posted By: TNGunsmoke
Since these state level bills/laws violate the federal preemption(Article VI clause 2) clause of the Constitution, it would be unconstitutional anyhow. I hate to see us start picking and choosing what portions of the Constitution we want to follow. The whole document is the law of the land, not just pieces of it.


U may want to read both before you say that passing a law is unconstitutional. There is a lot of debate that could swing on either side to what is truly constitutional. At some point in time the states will need to call a bluff.

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#3181223 - 03/02/13 01:38 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: waynesworld]
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It has not gone away, it's just gone to ground. It is apparent that this issue could blow up in there faces in the midterm elections. The last thing they want to do is create a Tea Party like movement that would motivate people to vote, against them. Here is a taste of what they may have created:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/...Share%20Buttons
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#3181465 - 03/02/13 05:59 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TNGunsmoke]
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 Originally Posted By: TNGunsmoke
Since these state level bills/laws violate the federal preemption(Article VI clause 2) clause of the Constitution, it would be unconstitutional anyhow. I hate to see us start picking and choosing what portions of the Constitution we want to follow. The whole document is the law of the land, not just pieces of it.


Well....isn't that just the Federalist statement of the day.

How about reading the 10th Amendment—The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


As codified in law with the 2nd Amendment, the People did not delegate the power to regulate or control the ownership of firearms to the federal government. And, as the 10th Amendment makes clear, all powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the States or to the People themselves.
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#3181866 - 03/03/13 07:37 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNGunsmoke
Since these state level bills/laws violate the federal preemption(Article VI clause 2) clause of the Constitution, it would be unconstitutional anyhow. I hate to see us start picking and choosing what portions of the Constitution we want to follow. The whole document is the law of the land, not just pieces of it.


Well....isn't that just the Federalist statement of the day.

How about reading the 10th Amendment—The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


As codified in law with the 2nd Amendment, the People did not delegate the power to regulate or control the ownership of firearms to the federal government. And, as the 10th Amendment makes clear, all powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the States or to the People themselves.


Try using that to repeal the 22,000 gun laws in the country.
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#3181947 - 03/03/13 09:00 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Wildcat]
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Lets not take our fingers off the trigger yet. The current fight may go into a "cease fire" today, but 20 years from now, it may/will spark up again when there are more fence sitters with less interest in gun ownership/rights and are more apt to vote yes on gun control because it does not affect them or their family.

How many of us had to be REMINDED and EDUCATED of what the 2nd Amendment is about...the ability to defend ourselves from a tyranical government. Not hunting or defending ourselves from from the common criminal. This may/will be lost on our future generations. Lets not forget about the group that is dependant upon the government and can be bought by the liberals.

We are moving toward a society that is more urbanized than ruralized...fewer kids getting into hunting and less gun interest. With the urbanization, there is a difficulty in spurring interst (fewer recreational shooting/hunting opportunites).

With the cost of guns ($500+ for a quaility rifle), more people are seeing gun ownership as a luxury, thus fewer owners and less support. With fewer people buying guns, the manufactures must increase price to offset costs, once again, even fewer buyers. Eventually firearms will trully be seen as a luxury item.

Following WW1 and WW2, there was a big turnover of mil surp firearms and an interst to own those weapons. These mil surp weapons were affordable and spurred an interest. You will not see that today.

TAXES, BACKGROUND CHECKS, CAPACTITY RESTRICTIONS, TRANSFER FEES,
or anything else that are less appauling to the fence sitters is what we must fight today.

We must win the fight today and not lose focus on the war. Safeguards must be put in place to protect our future generations.


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#3182007 - 03/03/13 10:02 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: 44fanatic]
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Did anybody catch the "debate" on Fox & Friends Sunday this morning? It was over gun companies possibly movint to other states. This liberal tried to make it sound like it was all about hunting and nothing more. He ever said had some of those men that wrote the Bill of Rights been from his state than they would have written it better and made it more clear that it was all about hunting.

That sounds like a LOT of people we all know and a LOT of them post here and other hunting forums.
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#3184004 - 03/05/13 09:32 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: 44fanatic]
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Missouri is quickly becoming one of the most antigun states in the Union.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/...awsuit-alleges/
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#3184169 - 03/05/13 11:59 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: de novo]
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Haven`t posted in a long time, but thats my fault.On the rumors that some gun & gun related plants are considering moving from their present locations because of unfriendly state gun laws,I would like to para-phrase Horace Greely, and tell them to "Move South Men" where the climate is friendlier. To enforce that decision---I will donate 300 acres of good plant site land to a major gun related enterprise to hire the local folks who badly need work.
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#3184209 - 03/05/13 12:56 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: winchester 1897]
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That is one awesome offer Win1897!
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#3184251 - 03/05/13 01:49 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: winchester 1897]
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Haven`t posted in a long time, but thats my fault.On the rumors that some gun & gun related plants are considering moving from their present locations because of unfriendly state gun laws,I would like to para-phrase Horace Greely, and tell them to "Move South Men" where the climate is friendlier. To enforce that decision---I will donate 300 acres of good plant site land to a major gun related enterprise to hire the local folks who badly need work.


If your serious you need to write letters to those companies and at the same time get in touch with you local city/county officals and let them know. They might be able to grt you and the companies some tax breaks to help bring in the companiea and the jobs to the area.
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#3184269 - 03/05/13 02:05 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Wildcat]
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You'd be a hero in my book, Win1897
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#3184273 - 03/05/13 02:07 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: winchester 1897
Haven`t posted in a long time, but thats my fault.On the rumors that some gun & gun related plants are considering moving from their present locations because of unfriendly state gun laws,I would like to para-phrase Horace Greely, and tell them to "Move South Men" where the climate is friendlier. To enforce that decision---I will donate 300 acres of good plant site land to a major gun related enterprise to hire the local folks who badly need work.


If your serious you need to write letters to those companies and at the same time get in touch with you local city/county officals and let them know. They might be able to grt you and the companies some tax breaks to help bring in the companiea and the jobs to the area.


Yep.

Phil Trauernicht, Senior Advisor Business Development, Tennessee Department of Economic and Community Development probably would like to hear from you.
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#3185726 - 03/06/13 07:38 PM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: winchester 1897]
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I am serious--but don`t need no crooked politicians involved.May write the companies and tell them the offer--live in a quasi Democrat controlled county with Rino Republicans,so don`t guess i will have to make a deed--unless the companies can furnish some kickback to them.
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#3186077 - 03/07/13 06:50 AM Re: Gun control dying on the vine [Re: winchester 1897]
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Well, that was just a suggestion.
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