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#3173765 - 02/23/13 07:54 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
stik
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a turkey is a turkey. if i have a shot and it's a legal bird, it's gonna die!!!
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#3173779 - 02/23/13 08:22 AM Re: Jakes [Re: stik]
Wes Parrish
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I think there should be spur restrictions, at least 1" on one side! \:D
YES! We need spur restrictions! \:D

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#3173840 - 02/23/13 09:38 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Some of the longest spurred turkeys i've killed have had "scragly" beards, nine inches or less. I've also killed several 2 year olds that had beards ten inches or better. It's hard for me to take someone too seriously who says they can judge a turkeys age by beard length. As for being able to determine a two year old from a three year old(spur wise) on a live turkey in the woods, I find this comical at best
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#3173920 - 02/23/13 12:35 PM Re: Jakes [Re: ]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.
I play 3 games with turkeys. Calling them in, spot and stalk, and ambushing. Oh... and shooting them off the limb if I really want to! \:D

When I was Catman's age, I probably would have shot a turkey off the limb, too. \:D
Just never had the chance. Weren't many turkeys then, and I sure knew less about how to kill one!

Over time, I believe the hunt becomes more about the quality and the "how" than the quantity or whether there even is a kill.
Kinda like for those who play golf:
You COULD simply walk up to that hole and DROP the ball in it.
But it's really not playing golf unless you hit the ball with your club, starting out from a distance.

Similarly, at my stage and to me, it's not really turkey hunting unless I call up a turkey and he "plays the game" with me. Yes, I've also ambushed a few in the past, but now would rather just try to get them to "play the game" rather than just sneak up and drop a ball in a hole.

All that said, first turkey I ever killed was an accidental ambush, and it was a jake. First thing my friend said was, "Well, yea, I knew it would have to be an accident if either one of us killed a turkey." I actually hunted for turkeys YEARS before ever killing one. It was a good season back then if you just heard one gobble.
I think we all would agree that calling a tom in to the gun is the best way to hunt em, but spot-and-stalk is a close 2nd to me. Requires you to be on the move, use the terrain to your advantage, and get yourself within range of the birds (much higher chance of being seen). I usually do this in the fall season though... last time I killed some out of a small flock of birds, I got the alarm putt through thick bushes right before I shot the first bird. Didn't matter at that point, because it was just sneaking behind the bushes shooting every bird in range until they were all scattered. \:D

 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Some of the longest spurred turkeys i've killed have had "scragly" beards, nine inches or less. I've also killed several 2 year olds that had beards ten inches or better. It's hard for me to take someone too seriously who says they can judge a turkeys age by beard length. As for being able to determine a two year old from a three year old(spur wise) on a live turkey in the woods, I find this comical at best
my first longbeard was probably 2 years old by the spur length. His beard was a 12.5 inches long
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#3173968 - 02/23/13 02:59 PM Re: Jakes [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Some of the longest spurred turkeys i've killed have had "scragly" beards, nine inches or less. I've also killed several 2 year olds that had beards ten inches or better. It's hard for me to take someone too seriously who says they can judge a turkeys age by beard length. As for being able to determine a two year old from a three year old(spur wise) on a live turkey in the woods, I find this comical at best
I'm with you on this, anybody that says they can age a longbeard before you grab him by the feet is full of crap. Beard length or size dont tell ya nothin and neither does body size. I look for one of two things before I shoot, a dangling beard or a full tail fan. Long spurs and/or a big body are just bonuses.
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#3174060 - 02/23/13 05:10 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and for the record my original post was tongue in cheek, and meant to start some discussion . . . . .

I try and only shoot 4.5 year old bucks, sometimes I make a mistake and shoot a 3.5 year old buck . . . . .

With turkeys it takes a better man and eye than mine to size up spurs in the woods.

x 2

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and a 2 year old bird is just as good to me as a bird with 1 1/2" spurs.

Now on THAT, we'll have to disagree! \:D
I'm "gunning" for 3-yr-old or older birds with LONG spurs. I don't care so much about the beards.
I passed up some 2-yr-old birds last year, then had the greater pleasure of helping a couple friends kill them, one of whom had never killed a turkey. While we usually can't see the spurs, there is a difference in a long DANGLY beard (and a few other subtleties) to distinguish an old Tom from a 2-yr-old bird. But as with hunting for older bucks, sometimes we mistakenly take one younger than intended.


I have killed some monster birds that had the worst beards ever. I've killed some two year old birds that had thick 11" beards. Judging a bird by his beard is no way to judge age IMO.

The only way to judge age is spurs period. There are some 2 year olds that also have monster bodies so count that out as well.

I run with some legendary turkey killers and not one of them, not one has ever passed a bird other than a jake. Nor can they judge age in the field or care to.

I just hope I never get to the point where I can't find enjoyment from killing a long beard even if he is 2 years old. If I do, I'll hang it up


Edited by Setterman (02/23/13 05:11 PM)

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#3174065 - 02/23/13 05:24 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed some monster birds that had the worst beards ever. I've killed some two year old birds that had thick 11" beards. . . . . . .

The only way to judge age is spurs period.

x 2

Although what I originally said was apparently not fully taken as said, and it doesn't take much to get a rise out of some . . . . . \:D

Below is a re-quote, but part of what I was trying to say is that OFTEN you CAN distinguish an OLD Tom from a 2-yr-old one ("old" not meant to be limited to a 3-yr-old bird, but hopefully an "older" one). A long, thick and DANGLY SWINGING BEARD is highly suggestive of a 3-yr-or-older bird, while a shorter "stiff" non-swinging beard is highly suggestive of a 2-yr-old bird.

 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
I'm "gunning" for 3-yr-old or older birds with LONG spurs. I don't care so much about the beards.
. . . . . While we usually can't see the spurs, there is a difference in a long DANGLY beard (and a few other subtleties) to distinguish an old Tom from a 2-yr-old bird. But as with hunting for older bucks, sometimes we mistakenly take one younger than intended.

Never meant to imply I was good at distinguishing a 2-yr-old from a 3-yr-old Tom, but am saying can often distinguish a 2-yr-old from an older one. Am sure I've let an older Tom or two walk simply because I didn't like his beard. \:\)

As with buck deer, it's challenging to accurately distinguish 2 from 3, but we can be right more than wrong when distinguishing 2 or younger from 4 or older.

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#3174104 - 02/23/13 06:20 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I just hope I never get to the point where I can't find enjoyment from killing a long beard even if he is 2 years old. If I do, I'll hang it up


X2. And for the record, I don't think there is a turkey snob alive that gets on a gobbling bird, calls him in, watches him strut, listens to him gobble, then at 30 yards, decides "I'm not going to shoot him, he looks like a 2 year old". Not buying it.
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#3174155 - 02/23/13 07:14 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Spurhunter]
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I will just be happy to get my first one on the ground this year. They are already hammering like crazy in the mornings.
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#3174470 - 02/24/13 09:19 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Spurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I just hope I never get to the point where I can't find enjoyment from killing a long beard even if he is 2 years old. If I do, I'll hang it up


X2. And for the record, I don't think there is a turkey snob alive that gets on a gobbling bird, calls him in, watches him strut, listens to him gobble, then at 30 yards, decides "I'm not going to shoot him, he looks like a 2 year old". Not buying it.

I don't consider myself a snob, but I've called several gobblers that i didn't shoot. I'm a little spoiled in the fact that there are usually others around. I don't have to kill the first gobbler that steps in front of me, especially if he's a "thin" one, lol.

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