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#3172951 - 02/22/13 10:23 AM Re: James [Re: AT Hiker]
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Killed one up on the mountain last year that gobbled as hard as any longbeard I have ever heard. Hunted 'em two mornings in a row. Second morning, finally got 'em to come take a look. Set up just this side of a rise on a saddle and when that red, white, and blue head broke that rise, I killed 'em. I usually give jakes a pass, but have killed a couple that were mistaken for longbeards in this manner.
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#3173227 - 02/22/13 03:47 PM Re: James [Re: ]
7mminatree
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When I want a bird to roast in the oven, it has to be a jake.
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#3173254 - 02/22/13 04:41 PM Re: James [Re: 7mminatree]
timberjack86
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I dont care to shoot 1 a year. But I wouldnt want to waste 4 tags on them.
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#3173499 - 02/22/13 08:50 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.

I don't know, and think likewise about 2-yr-old birds as well.

Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?

But shoot what makes YOU happy. \:\)
Mature Bucks & Mature Toms make me happiest.

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#3173567 - 02/22/13 09:34 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
catman529
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Registered: 11/10/10
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.

I don't know, and think likewise about 2-yr-old birds as well.

Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?

But shoot what makes YOU happy. \:\)
Mature Bucks & Mature Toms make me happiest.
I would like to only shoot bucks 3.5+ but if I'm having a bad year ill shoot whatever I'm presented with. Same for turkeys...
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#3173591 - 02/22/13 10:02 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
Setterman
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Registered: 12/31/09
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.

I don't know, and think likewise about 2-yr-old birds as well.

Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?

But shoot what makes YOU happy. \:\)
Mature Bucks & Mature Toms make me happiest.


Agreed, and for the record my original post was tongue in cheek, and meant to start some discussion other than the bland loads/patterns etc that fill these forums before the season arrives.

I try and only shoot 4.5 year old bucks, sometimes I make a mistake and shoot a 3.5 year old buck, heck like most I've screwed up and killed them all the way down to buttons.

With turkeys it takes a better man and eye than mine to size up spurs in the woods. If his beard is long he dies, and a 2 year old bird is just as good to me as a bird with 1 1/2" spurs. I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.

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#3173603 - 02/22/13 10:24 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
Mike Belt
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I've killed a couple of jakes in the past. The last 4 or 5 years I turkey hunted they all got a free pass. I haven't turkey hunted now for the last 5 years so I guess it's a wait and see thing. I have my doubts that I'll shoot one though.
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#3173615 - 02/22/13 10:45 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.
I play 3 games with turkeys. Calling them in, spot and stalk, and ambushing. Oh... and shooting them off the limb if I really want to! \:D
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#3173747 - 02/23/13 07:27 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and for the record my original post was tongue in cheek, and meant to start some discussion . . . . .

I try and only shoot 4.5 year old bucks, sometimes I make a mistake and shoot a 3.5 year old buck . . . . .

With turkeys it takes a better man and eye than mine to size up spurs in the woods.

x 2

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and a 2 year old bird is just as good to me as a bird with 1 1/2" spurs.

Now on THAT, we'll have to disagree! \:D
I'm "gunning" for 3-yr-old or older birds with LONG spurs. I don't care so much about the beards.
I passed up some 2-yr-old birds last year, then had the greater pleasure of helping a couple friends kill them, one of whom had never killed a turkey. While we usually can't see the spurs, there is a difference in a long DANGLY beard (and a few other subtleties) to distinguish an old Tom from a 2-yr-old bird. But as with hunting for older bucks, sometimes we mistakenly take one younger than intended.

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#3173754 - 02/23/13 07:38 AM Re: Jakes [Re: catman529]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.
I play 3 games with turkeys. Calling them in, spot and stalk, and ambushing. Oh... and shooting them off the limb if I really want to! \:D

When I was Catman's age, I probably would have shot a turkey off the limb, too. \:D
Just never had the chance. Weren't many turkeys then, and I sure knew less about how to kill one!

Over time, I believe the hunt becomes more about the quality and the "how" than the quantity or whether there even is a kill.
Kinda like for those who play golf:
You COULD simply walk up to that hole and DROP the ball in it.
But it's really not playing golf unless you hit the ball with your club, starting out from a distance.

Similarly, at my stage and to me, it's not really turkey hunting unless I call up a turkey and he "plays the game" with me. Yes, I've also ambushed a few in the past, but now would rather just try to get them to "play the game" rather than just sneak up and drop a ball in a hole.

All that said, first turkey I ever killed was an accidental ambush, and it was a jake. First thing my friend said was, "Well, yea, I knew it would have to be an accident if either one of us killed a turkey." I actually hunted for turkeys YEARS before ever killing one. It was a good season back then if you just heard one gobble.

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