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#3165976 - 02/16/13 09:25 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: GOODWIN]
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I started the thread just off of curiosity since the caliber is now legal and I note there are pretty good rounds made for hunting, 78 gr, Rem Corelock or Nosler Partition.

I've used a .270 for about 25 years now, before that it was a 30-06. I love the .270 for whitetail, probably if I had to do it all over again I might go .243 with the standard 100 gr.

Where I hunt in Loudon it's overrun with yotes & I take 1 or 2 per year with the .270. Often a pair of area beagles will run one by at 150/200 yards. I've got a sweet Colt AR w/Trijicon ACOG scope that would be the ticket for those situations so was just wanting opinions for those that had used it on whitetails. I've always thought 100 grain bullets would be about the minimum I'd want for whitetails....
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#3166001 - 02/16/13 09:40 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
Lack of Ability & Judgement get renamed as unethical ,Knowing the gun ,bow or your own ability is the hunters responsibility,sometimes we forget the limits & loose a animal & other times its a hunting thing & cant be helped.If a pattern develops of loosing game changing bows broadheads or guns wont do anything other than cost you $.Correcting problems on big game hunts are hard to do as most hunt alone with no 1 there to critique or mentor them .


Good point - this year I am trying to spend more time shooting with other people who have more experience, and using them for feedback to help me do a better job.

I know my personal limits, I know when I have a good shot and a bad shot, and yes - I have let hundreds of deer walk for one reason or another, and it won't hurt my feelings if I have to let the "big one" walk when a good shot simply isn't there.

And having a different gun in my hand does not change that one bit.
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#3166848 - 02/16/13 10:02 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
If so, they should be ashamed. \:\) I'm partly joking - partly serious. I love 22 centerfires as groundhog shooting was my main hunting interest for years and still would be if we still had groundhogs. But that's what the 22 centerfires excel at and should be limited to. Shooting a deer with such a cartridge is pushing the limits too far. You have to use the very best controlled expansion bullets and limit shots to broadside only and even then you barely have enough of everything to make a clean kill. In other words you have a rifle that should only be used by the most experienced hunters who are very good shots. But most of these guns are going to be used by inexperienced shooters because they are easier to shoot because of their light recoil.

I know they are legal in TN but I think it was an irresponsible decision that our lawmakers made when they took away the 24 caliber minimum for deer.
heck they kill as good as any 243

ive seen deer killed with 204 ruger and 35 grain bergers

shot placement people loose deer with 300 rum and 7 mags
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#3166849 - 02/16/13 10:04 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
I would hazard a guess that 10x or more deer are lost with bows than guns every year.where's the ethical calibur with them? \:\)
i agree
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#3168839 - 02/18/13 05:15 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Deer Assassin]
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I have a .223 for home defense and the back of the patrol car. It is a proven 1 shot manstopper. I've seen it work personally. I guess I could shoot a deer with it but I'd prefer my 30.06 because at 250 yards the .223 gets sort of unpredictable out of my m4. Good for a combat and varmint rifle. Not so much when it comes to deer.
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#3169357 - 02/19/13 05:31 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Columbia Scott]
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I guess it would help to hang a 100 round Beta-mag out of the magwell and send a volley of shots towards the deer \:D
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#3170650 - 02/20/13 10:38 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: BlackBelt]
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OK, to make my point regarding 22 centerfire’s for deer we have to look at who is going to be using them. The way I see it, we have two totally different types of hunters here. In my opinion, the larger group consists mostly of beginning shooters who are afraid of recoil. They mostly go to 243’s but some use 22’s – mostly 223’s as a cure for flinching. Neither cartridge has an excess of power and both require shot placement to make up for it. Yet, these beginning hunters are rarely good shots nor do they have enough experience to know when to pass up a bad shot under pressure. See the conflict there? Minimal cartridges requiring perfect shot placement in the hands of the poorest shots in the woods. A 22 centerfire is simply a bad fit for this type hunter. Yes, it is better for a beginner to choose a light recoiling cartridge that they can learn to shoot well rather than trying to compensate for poor marksmanship with a magnum. BUT, you don’t need to go to either extreme. Moderation is the more reasonable path here - there are a lot of great deer cartridges such as the 6.5x55, 260Rem, 7x57, 7mm-08, 30-30, 7.62x39 and so on. There are others in this general category that will give much more predictable/consistent terminal performance than a 22 centerfire.
Regarding dealing with recoil and learning to shoot, the best thing a beginning hunter can do is get a 22 rimfire and practice a lot shooting offhand rather than always using sandbags. A steel gong target gives instant feedback when you score a hit and keeps it interesting for kids or somebody new to shooting.
Personally, I am NOT a fan of the 24's either as I have a 6mm Remington that I have never taken deer hunting. It's just too small for me but step up to the 6.5mm's and small 7mm's and you have some great cartridges for beginners. Obviously, I like the 25’s as my “Handle” indicates but even with them, I stay clear of the light for caliber bullets to avoid grenading a bullet with close shots. As with any caliber though as you go to the slower 25’s (250 Savage, 257 Roberts) the need for controlled expansion bullets goes down.
All right, I've talked about beginning hunters - now what about experienced hunters who use 22 centerfires. I am very aware of the "struck by lightning" kills these guns can give. I've shot a lot of groundhogs with the 22-250, 220 Swift and 22CHeetah. A few coyotes too. A 50gr Sierra Blitz out of the CHeetah at 4080fps explodes inside a groundhog and they never even know what hit them. I practically never got an exit hole with these guns on groundhogs. I'm sure it would do the same thing to a deer but what happens when there is a twig between you and the deer that you don't see? What about if that twig is just a few inches from the deer? You get a spray of shrapnel blowing into the deer's side that leaves a horrible surface wound but doesn't penetrate. I know there are hunting bullets made for 22's now that are controlled expansion and that the 223 is not pushing as high velocity as the cartridges I named above which lessens the chance of bullet blow up but the fact remains that these tiny bullets are not nearly as reliable to penetrate straight and deep as a larger bullet. Even for an experienced hunter and shooter, I just can’t see risking a badly wounded deer using a groundhog gun to deer hunt.

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#3171106 - 02/20/13 06:03 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
If so, they should be ashamed. \:\) I'm partly joking - partly serious. I love 22 centerfires as groundhog shooting was my main hunting interest for years and still would be if we still had groundhogs. But that's what the 22 centerfires excel at and should be limited to. Shooting a deer with such a cartridge is pushing the limits too far. You have to use the very best controlled expansion bullets and limit shots to broadside only and even then you barely have enough of everything to make a clean kill. In other words you have a rifle that should only be used by the most experienced hunters who are very good shots. But most of these guns are going to be used by inexperienced shooters because they are easier to shoot because of their light recoil.

I know they are legal in TN but I think it was an irresponsible decision that our lawmakers made when they took away the 24 caliber minimum for deer.




i agree, but they did predator hunters a favor by allow coyote rounds (22 centerfires) to be carried on predator hunts that occur during deer season. it is legal, but people should use their own judgement. kind like cigarettes, i hate them but i believe in freedom and personal choice.
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#3173517 - 02/22/13 09:05 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
If so, they should be ashamed. \:\) I'm partly joking - partly serious. I love 22 centerfires as groundhog shooting was my main hunting interest for years and still would be if we still had groundhogs. But that's what the 22 centerfires excel at and should be limited to. Shooting a deer with such a cartridge is pushing the limits too far. You have to use the very best controlled expansion bullets and limit shots to broadside only and even then you barely have enough of everything to make a clean kill. In other words you have a rifle that should only be used by the most experienced hunters who are very good shots. But most of these guns are going to be used by inexperienced shooters because they are easier to shoot because of their light recoil.

I know they are legal in TN but I think it was an irresponsible decision that our lawmakers made when they took away the 24 caliber minimum for deer.




i agree, but they did predator hunters a favor by allow coyote rounds (22 centerfires) to be carried on predator hunts that occur during deer season. it is legal, but people should use their own judgement. kind like cigarettes, i hate them but i believe in freedom and personal choice.


Yeah, I always did find it a bit frustrating when you couldn't take a 22 centerfire to the field during deer season even when not deer hunting. I'm sure the law was written like that to make it easier to enforce against people who were claiming to predator hunt while they were actually deer hunting - likely with no Big Game license - but it wasn't fair to the actual predator hunters who wanted to use a 22 centerfire.


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#3173557 - 02/22/13 09:26 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Redfred16]
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It's not my first choice, but as mentioned prior in the thread (it will do the job) if you are good enough.
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