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#3172315 - 02/21/13 07:04 PM My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer.
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Thought I would post some photo's of my 2012 deer I harvested in 3.5 days 300 miles apart. The whitetail has a outside spread just under 30 inches and weighed close to 400 lbs. It was aged at 9.5 years and is on the down hill side. This deer was close to 22"-24" bigger last year.
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#3172317 - 02/21/13 07:07 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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wow!!!
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#3172328 - 02/21/13 07:14 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Doe-lusional]
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Dang that may be the biggest oldest whitetail I have ever seen. You don't have pics of the teeth do you? Congrats on both deer
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#3172332 - 02/21/13 07:16 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: catman529]
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congrats brother and heck of a first post!!!!!!! welcome to the best campfire on the net
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#3172341 - 02/21/13 07:24 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: knightrider]
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Man thats awesome. Welcome to a great forum!
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#3172353 - 02/21/13 07:34 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: jmoreland]
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Welcome to the site!
Amazing deer! Looks like I need to hunt canada lol
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#3172359 - 02/21/13 07:37 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: CountryBoy053]
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some kind of great deer
what does sci mean

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#3172362 - 02/21/13 07:38 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: CountryBoy053]
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Wow!
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#3172366 - 02/21/13 07:44 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 1 good shot]
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 Originally Posted By: 1 good shot
some kind of great deer
what does sci mean

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#3172367 - 02/21/13 07:44 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Bone Collector]
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Color me jealous. \:D

Congrats man.
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#3172382 - 02/21/13 07:51 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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I guess dragging that dude to the truck was out of the question?
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#3172391 - 02/21/13 07:56 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: elkman]
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Congrats..

I guess you guys know how to "let them walk".

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#3172394 - 02/21/13 07:58 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: elkman]
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I actually was able to drive my truck across the land owner's field to load it, but to get it loaded was another question. My buddy and I who were both 37 and in good shape could not load it gutted. We had to quarter it. Just the front and hind quarters skinned and the legs cut off were just over 100 lbs. Total deer was right at 400lbs.
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#3172399 - 02/21/13 08:00 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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 Originally Posted By: SCO
I actually was able to drive my truck across the land owner's field to load it, but to get it loaded was another question. My buddy and I who were both 37 and in good shape could not load it gutted. We had to quarter it. Just the front and hind quarters skinned and the legs cut off were just over 100 lbs. Total deer was right at 400lbs.
dang that's just a monster.
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#3172404 - 02/21/13 08:05 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: catman529]
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That is so incredible! Thanks for letting us take a look!
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#3172407 - 02/21/13 08:07 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: catman529]
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Lord have mercy, man 400lb whitetail, congrats on your bucks sure-nuff goodens rite there.
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#3172412 - 02/21/13 08:10 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Viper (tp)]
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Man that is one heck of a deer.
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#3172418 - 02/21/13 08:13 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Inkstainz]
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Wow! Wow! Now those are deer! Fantastic 1st post, and welcome.

I have to ask, did you get him mounted?
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#3172432 - 02/21/13 08:22 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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I wish i could see the pictures.
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#3172442 - 02/21/13 08:26 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Outdoor life]
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 Originally Posted By: Outdoor life
Wow! Wow! Now those are deer! Fantastic 1st post, and welcome.

I have to ask, did you get him mounted?


He is getting mounted this week. I am getting a pedestal mount done with a 191" and a 186" that I harvested a few years ago. The mule deer will be mounted in the spring.
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#3172451 - 02/21/13 08:31 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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Wow! Wow! Now those are deer! Fantastic 1st post, and welcome.

I have to ask, did you get him mounted?


He is getting mounted this week. I am getting a pedestal mount done with a 191" and a 186" that I harvested a few years ago. The mule deer will be mounted in the spring.


Nice! When you get them back post another pic of the finished mount. I think I've gotta go to Canada, and see some real bucks haha.
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#3172453 - 02/21/13 08:31 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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Attention TN residents, we need to go hunt Canada! lol.

400 Pound Whitetail, that is awesome!
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#3172474 - 02/21/13 08:40 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: CountryBoy053]
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Attention TN residents, we need to go hunt Canada! lol.

400 Pound Whitetail, that is awesome!


Just make sure it is Alberta. I know some good areas.(wink wink) Anyone interested in giant black bear as well?


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#3172489 - 02/21/13 08:50 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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Yes, go ahead and post the pic of your hunts, deer, bear, it don't matter. If they're anything like those deer, I'd love to see them.
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#3172524 - 02/21/13 09:14 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Outdoor life]
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Does B&C not recognize Canadian deer? Awesome, gigantic deer by the way. Congrats
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#3172526 - 02/21/13 09:15 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Outdoor life]
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Very nice. Congrats.
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#3172532 - 02/21/13 09:19 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Food Plot 101]
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 Originally Posted By: Food Plot 101
Does B&C not recognize Canadian deer? Awesome, gigantic deer by the way. Congrats
they have to, how else would you have a "world" record deer?
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#3172550 - 02/21/13 09:28 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: catman529]
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400 pounds isn't a deer, it's an elk.

Congrats
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#3172580 - 02/21/13 09:51 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Viper (tp)]
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400 lbs? \:o holy crap that's a stud. Where's my jealousy button. Congrats!
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#3172596 - 02/21/13 10:03 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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Congrats on some monster deer! Welcome to TnDeer.
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#3172625 - 02/21/13 10:23 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Rob R.]
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#3172638 - 02/21/13 10:41 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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 Originally Posted By: SCO
I actually was able to drive my truck across the land owner's field to load it, but to get it loaded was another question. My buddy and I who were both 37 and in good shape could not load it gutted. We had to quarter it. Just the front and hind quarters skinned and the legs cut off were just over 100 lbs. Total deer was right at 400lbs.


I carry horses and mules to Colorado to pack out elk. Sounds like you need some for Deer. Amazing. ;\)
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#3172640 - 02/21/13 10:46 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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wow deer of a life time and an absolute dream buck! crongrats! heck of a muley to
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#3172642 - 02/21/13 10:49 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: deerhunter10]
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I shot a buck with a rack like that....in a high fence.

I am speechless at the size of that deer. That is an absolute hoss. Just wow.

Congratulations on a phenomenal pair of bucks.
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#3172702 - 02/22/13 05:06 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Doe-lusional]
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WOW! Awesome, just awesome! Congrats big time!
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#3172727 - 02/22/13 06:04 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Very nice deer, I hope to hunt up there one day. And welcome to the site.
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#3172772 - 02/22/13 07:29 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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congrats
very nice
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#3172774 - 02/22/13 07:32 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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#3172792 - 02/22/13 07:50 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: DOC1187]
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Holy Crap!!! When I first scrolled down I thought the mule deer was the 1st pic. What a giant of a buck, congrats...
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#3172853 - 02/22/13 08:36 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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Great bucks,congrats!
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#3172933 - 02/22/13 09:56 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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 Originally Posted By: CountryBoy053
Attention TN residents, we need to go hunt Canada! lol.

400 Pound Whitetail, that is awesome!


Just make sure it is Alberta. I know some good areas.(wink wink) Anyone interested in giant black bear as well?


Ive always Wanted to hunt black bear and whitetail in canada. These pictures are all i needed lol
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#3173000 - 02/22/13 10:50 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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very nice
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#3173024 - 02/22/13 11:47 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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Great mainframe muley pal.......the whitey is pure BOMBER!!!!

Great season, keep sharing CANUCK pics please!!!!
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#3173049 - 02/22/13 12:20 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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What a stud congrats man !
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#3173313 - 02/22/13 06:00 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Snake]
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The picture from the rear of that Whitetail is unreal. And the muley is one very nice buck. Rifle, bullet, range, details SCO, this place loves details, it looks colder than this lady I used to know!
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#3173322 - 02/22/13 06:07 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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Wow! welcome
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#3173655 - 02/23/13 12:35 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: tickweed]
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Here is some more details about the hunts.
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Been after this deer for 3 years. My client tagged out the day before (his first day of his hunt) on a 162" 5x6 otherwise this would have been his deer. I borrowed his gun to shoot it and he talked me into it as I thuoght it was too small for me to shoot. I was looking to break the 200" mark and I thought the amount of size this deer had lost would make him only in the 190's. He was definitely a bigger deer last year and had started to decline in antler size. Aged him between 8.5 to 9.5 yrs. Would have been a new world record for SCI last year and possibbly B&C. Widest outside spread is just under 30 inches and the deer weighed close to 400lbs. Shot him on the 13th of november in full rut at 350 yards. We stalked it for 750 yards working our way along a field edge. First shot was broadside and split the heart in half. All the deer did was turn and start walking. Hit him 3 out of 5 shots before he finally broke down. We found the bullet under the skin from the first shot perfectly mushroomed. Was shooting a 300 wsm with some hot 180 grain reloads.
What I mean by this is that this deer was at his peak last year or the year before and has lost close to 8 inches off of each G2 and close to 4 inches off of each brow tine. The previous 2 years he looked pretty much the same with very little change between them. If you add up the lost inches that would be another 24 inches to add to the score plus if he would have lost any beam length or mass, although that is usually the only thing that they do not loose as much. He may have lost some length on his other tines as well but I have no way to reference that. I know the last 2 years his G2's were 2 inches longer than his G3's and his brows were half the length of his G2's. His G3's are 14 inches this year and his G2's are only 8 inches. I do not have pics of this deer from previous years but have notes that I have taken and have about 5 hours of veiwing this deer through a spotting scope at 800 yards plus or on private land that I could not get permission on until this year. This deer was aged at 8.5 to 9.5 years old.
MULE DEER
I was hunting in southern Alberta for 2.5 days during that early november blizzard when I harvested this deer on saturday. It was -23 below freezing and the wind was blowing 25-40 miles/hr. Funny thing was I did not see any other hunter that saturday lol. By the time I took pics, gutted and started to cape and skin the deer the ears and legs were already freezing. I was up to my butt in spots in drifted snow on some of the coulee edges.
3.5 days of hunting and I harvested a 204" whitetail and a 180" mule deer 500 km's apart. Sad thing is I missed about a 220" mule deer on my first day because I failed to notice that where I had my new scope mounted at they forgot to tighten the windage screw down on the left side. I knew I should have mounted it myself but I had a very short time schedule. Seen another 2 deer that would have been in the 200" range but lost them in the near whiteout conditions the day before. Jumped this one at 200 yards and dropped him running flat out broadside with one shot.
NOTE: (It is not normaly this cold on the mule deer hunt and usually very little snow if any).


Edited by SCO (02/23/13 12:42 AM)
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#3173663 - 02/23/13 12:43 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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I cannot get over the size of that whitetail. That is just a magnificent animal in all respects. Congratulations, man. You had an epic season, no doubt.
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#3173686 - 02/23/13 04:17 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Vermin93]
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Please forgive my ignorance, but why SCI? Why not B/C?
Beautiful bucks and great story. Thanks for sharing.
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#3173712 - 02/23/13 06:31 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: RUGER]
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wow, congrats
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#3173727 - 02/23/13 06:42 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
Please forgive my ignorance, but why SCI? Why not B/C?
Beautiful bucks and great story. Thanks for sharing.
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#3173746 - 02/23/13 07:24 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: tickweed]
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Please forgive my ignorance, but why SCI? Why not B/C?
Beautiful bucks and great story. Thanks for sharing.
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isn't SCI sort of like a guide service......is this guy a guide?

nice deer, just not uncommon in many areas of the north...

I'd like to go to IOWA if anyone knows anybody...maybe a week with Tiffany would do me some good. Probably not do her much good but I'd be tickled....lol.

again..nice deer.

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#3173807 - 02/23/13 08:56 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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I am not sure what is more impressive 400pounds, or 9+years!

A 400lb deer would eat my south Alabama bucks. Probably kill a all of our does as he tried to breed them.
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#3173881 - 02/23/13 11:14 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 102]
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Please forgive my ignorance, but why SCI? Why not B/C?
Beautiful bucks and great story. Thanks for sharing.


I am a way bigger supporter of SCI (Safari Club International) than B&C. There are several reason's for this. First off is that SCI spends million's of dollars each year in the US, Canada, Africa, and abroad in many other countries on lobbying government, court action's, conservation efforts, humanitarian programs, getting kid's outdoors and numerous others. All of this to protect our right to hunt. While some of us may never have any desire to hunt elsewhere or may not be able too they work in all area's to protect and conserve hunting. I just do not see B&C doing this.
Check out this link to your TN chapter. I believe they have their annual banquet coming up on March 9th. http://www.chattanoogachaptersci.org/

The other reason is they give credit for what the deer actually scores. It is a total score of either it's total typical points and non-typical is all points. NO deductions. B&C deduct the crap out of a animal for just about every reason under the sun. I believe a animal should get credit for what it has.


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#3173898 - 02/23/13 11:43 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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isn't SCI sort of like a guide service......is this guy a guide?

nice deer, just not uncommon in many areas of the north...

again..nice deer.

thanks


SCI is not a guide service. It is a trophy scoring method and a organization that protects hunting. SCI has a membership of over 55,000 members in 190 chapters around the globe. Mostly in the US and some in Canada. Check ou the link. http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/home

Yes, I am a outfitter. See bottom of page.

Yes, large racked deer are somewhat common up here, but not as big bodied or as wide as this deer. I was to several horn scoring events across the province, which is quite large, and there has been on average at least 4 to 8 book deer at each with a large number of deer (50-75) that score in the 145"-165" range. Most mature big racked bucks are in the 240-300 lbs range.

With that being said there has been a number of deer at some of these events that score higher than mine in the 212" to 248" range, but I could set every one of those deer inside of my deer rack and it made the others look small. So I have to disagree that my whitetail in particular is anything but common.



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#3173910 - 02/23/13 12:09 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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 Originally Posted By: SCO
 Originally Posted By: 102
Please forgive my ignorance, but why SCI? Why not B/C?
Beautiful bucks and great story. Thanks for sharing.


I am a way bigger supporter of SCI (Safari Club International) than B&C. There are several reason's for this. First off is that SCI spends million's of dollars each year in the US, Canada, Africa, and abroad in many other countries on lobbying government, court action's, conservation efforts, humanitarian programs, getting kid's outdoors and numerous others. All of this to protect our right to hunt. While some of us may never have any desire to hunt elsewhere or may not be able too they work in all area's to protect and conserve hunting. I just do not see B&C doing this.
Check out this link to your TN chapter. I believe they have their annual banquet coming up on March 9th. http://www.chattanoogachaptersci.org/

The other reason is they give credit for what the deer actually scores. It is a total score of either it's total typical points and non-typical is all points. NO deductions. B&C deduct the crap out of a animal for just about every reason under the sun. I believe a animal should get credit for what it has.
I've used the B&C scoring system only because that is what most people are familiar with, but I look at the gross score too and not the deductions. I just recently picked up a skull from a carcass I found, with a decent sized rack, and the right antler was palmated almost like a moose antler... the rack had something like 26 inches of deductions, so a 150 class net scored in the 120s. Because of the size of the rack there is no way I can say it's a 120's, it's not symmetrical at all, and that gives it character, so why score its symmetry?
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#3173936 - 02/23/13 01:12 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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isn't SCI sort of like a guide service......is this guy a guide?

nice deer, just not uncommon in many areas of the north...

again..nice deer.

thanks


SCI is not a guide service. It is a trophy scoring method and a organization that protects hunting. SCI has a membership of over 55,000 members in 190 chapters around the globe. Mostly in the US and some in Canada. Check ou the link. http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/home

Yes, I am a outfitter. See bottom of page.

Yes, large racked deer are somewhat common up here, but not as big bodied or as wide as this deer. I was to several horn scoring events across the province, which is quite large, and there has been on average at least 4 to 8 book deer at each with a large number of deer (50-75) that score in the 145"-165" range. Most mature big racked bucks are in the 240-300 lbs range.

With that being said there has been a number of deer at some of these events that score higher than mine in the 212" to 248" range, but I could set every one of those deer inside of my deer rack and it made the others look small. So I have to disagree that my whitetail in particular is anything but common.



Don't mind him, SCO. It's not uncommon to sigh and shake your head after reading his posts.
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#3173938 - 02/23/13 01:20 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: catman529]
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[/quote] I've used the B&C scoring system only because that is what most people are familiar with, but I look at the gross score too and not the deductions. I just recently picked up a skull from a carcass I found, with a decent sized rack, and the right antler was palmated almost like a moose antler... the rack had something like 26 inches of deductions, so a 150 class net scored in the 120s. Because of the size of the rack there is no way I can say it's a 120's, it's not symmetrical at all, and that gives it character, so why score its symmetry?


I agree with you 100%. I have seen many typical looking deer in the 170"-190's that end up only being in the 140's-160's. I have seen numerous fellow hunters discouraged when they think that they shot a big deer be told that it scores way lower than thought. In following years they just do not want to come out to horn scoring events to enter other trophies because they do not want to feel that way again. This really robs us (other sportsmen) of the opportunity to veiw these magnifecent animals. Every one has different reason's why they hunt or what they veiw as a tropohy. For some it is the time spent outdoors with family and friends as our forefather's did and for others it may be the quest of trying to outwit a big old buck, but we all dream at some point or another of harvesting a BIG buck.
SCI and B&C score pretty much the same way. SCI just does not have all the deductions. SCI and B&C both come to the same gross score on my whitetail.
Where there is a huge difference is on the net typical score. B&C gives my deer a net score of only 169". What a joke, it does not even make the record book lol!! B&C Non-typical net is 198".
SCI net typical is low 190's and net non-typical is 204". B&C has deductions even for non-typical.


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#3173966 - 02/23/13 02:48 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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Thanks SCO.
I am very familiar with B/C scoring and had no idea that SCI was like that.
In all honesty I thought you were going to answer my question with some type of response that had you hunting in a fence or something. Again, forgive my ignorance.

Actually, while your bucks are huge, and beautiful animals, I have no use for hunters killing pen raised deer. I would be more impressed with someone killing a huge cow or bull in a pasture.

Or a 1.5 year old spike on public land with their bow after a perfect lung shot.

But that being a free ranging, wild, non pen raised deer is really something.

I think though I am most impressed with the harsh condiditions of your hunt. I like cold just fine but that kind of cold is CRAZY!!! No wonder the deer get so big.

Kind of helps explain Bergman's Rule!

Again, thanks for sharing and congratulations.
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#3174561 - 02/24/13 11:57 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 102]
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Thanks SCO.
I am very familiar with B/C scoring and had no idea that SCI was like that.
In all honesty I thought you were going to answer my question with some type of response that had you hunting in a fence or something. Again, forgive my ignorance.

Actually, while your bucks are huge, and beautiful animals, I have no use for hunters killing pen raised deer. I would be more impressed with someone killing a huge cow or bull in a pasture.

Or a 1.5 year old spike on public land with their bow after a perfect lung shot.

But that being a free ranging, wild, non pen raised deer is really something.

I think though I am most impressed with the harsh condiditions of your hunt. I like cold just fine but that kind of cold is CRAZY!!! No wonder the deer get so big.

Kind of helps explain Bergman's Rule!

Again, thanks for sharing and congratulations.


Thanks for the comments 102.
Yes SCI and B&C both score pretty much the same except SCI has no deductions. It just gets a total typical or non-typical score. SCI also offers catergories for rifle, bow, muzzle loader, etc. So while you may not have a giant deer overall it may rank quite high in its method of take. They also offer catergories that B&C just does not recognize. An example would be wolf. I had a client four years ago take a wolf on my black bear hunt that ended up ranking #6 in the world at that time. The skull is measured same as a bear and scored 17 15/16ths.

They offer scoring for all species that are huntable in the world and they differentiate between regions as well. For example; Whitetail deer are divided into 10 different areas in North America. When I checked the record book you would be in the South East Whitetail catergory. I am sure that there are members on the forum here that have deer in thier homes that would make the top 10-20 as some of the deer entered are 117"-127" range. I think that it is only fair as there is obvious genetic diferences between regions. This link should take you to thier record book page http://member.scifirstforhunters.org/members/RB/view_minimums.cfm or check out your TN chapter in Chattanooga area.

http://www.chattanoogachaptersci.org

SCI also separates out "Estate" (high fence), and "Introduced" species. While I agree with you on the "high fence" style of hunting just does not work for me either, and am glad it is illegal here in Aberta I do not shun someone else if that is thier choice or if SCI is willing to have a catergory to recognize that.

All in all it is still some form of hunting and it makes economic revenue that lots of small towns rely on. Just like some areas have a big division between bow hunting or rifle hunting or throw the use of a crossbow in there to really stir the pot and I have seen/read some discussions that I was not sure if one group were still hunters or if they had joined up with peta or greenpeace. I think the biggest thing in this day and age is united we stand divided we fall.

To respond about the weather it is not normaly that cold. It was just a cold snap that we had the only particular time that I had to hunt as I was busy guiding the rest of the month.


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#3174597 - 02/24/13 12:51 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: SCO
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isn't SCI sort of like a guide service......is this guy a guide?

nice deer, just not uncommon in many areas of the north...

again..nice deer.

thanks


SCI is not a guide service. It is a trophy scoring method and a organization that protects hunting. SCI has a membership of over 55,000 members in 190 chapters around the globe. Mostly in the US and some in Canada. Check ou the link. http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/home

Yes, I am a outfitter. See bottom of page.

Yes, large racked deer are somewhat common up here, but not as big bodied or as wide as this deer. I was to several horn scoring events across the province, which is quite large, and there has been on average at least 4 to 8 book deer at each with a large number of deer (50-75) that score in the 145"-165" range. Most mature big racked bucks are in the 240-300 lbs range.

With that being said there has been a number of deer at some of these events that score higher than mine in the 212" to 248" range, but I could set every one of those deer inside of my deer rack and it made the others look small. So I have to disagree that my whitetail in particular is anything but common.



Don't mind him, SCO. It's not uncommon to sigh and shake your head after reading his posts.



what was wrong with my post? Simple questions, simple statements....Didn't downplay the hunter or the deer, just mentioned that there are bigger deer up north than we are used to seeing here...hence, not uncommon.....

I could post anything and I have no doubt someone would find something wrong with it...


Your name suits you vermin....lol!!!!
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#3174604 - 02/24/13 12:56 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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BH, the only one who can subtly provoke negative reactions and then act like the victim when people call him out on it....

Seriously BH why do you do it? This is not a personal attack. It is, as you would say, simple questions, simple statements...... lol
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#3174634 - 02/24/13 01:41 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: SCO
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isn't SCI sort of like a guide service......is this guy a guide?

nice deer, just not uncommon in many areas of the north...

again..nice deer.

thanks


SCI is not a guide service. It is a trophy scoring method and a organization that protects hunting. SCI has a membership of over 55,000 members in 190 chapters around the globe. Mostly in the US and some in Canada. Check ou the link. http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/home

Yes, I am a outfitter. See bottom of page.

Yes, large racked deer are somewhat common up here, but not as big bodied or as wide as this deer. I was to several horn scoring events across the province, which is quite large, and there has been on average at least 4 to 8 book deer at each with a large number of deer (50-75) that score in the 145"-165" range. Most mature big racked bucks are in the 240-300 lbs range.

With that being said there has been a number of deer at some of these events that score higher than mine in the 212" to 248" range, but I could set every one of those deer inside of my deer rack and it made the others look small. So I have to disagree that my whitetail in particular is anything but common.



Don't mind him, SCO. It's not uncommon to sigh and shake your head after reading his posts.



what was wrong with my post? Simple questions, simple statements....Didn't downplay the hunter or the deer, just mentioned that there are bigger deer up north than we are used to seeing here...hence, not uncommon.....

I could post anything and I have no doubt someone would find something wrong with it...


Your name suits you vermin....lol!!!!


BH, if you don't realize that your post marginalized his incredible deer then that would explain a lot. One of the congratulatory posts is not like the others. Hint - it's yours. There is nothing "not uncommon" about that deer regardless of where in North America he shot it.

Back on topic - great story, SCO. It would have been nice to get him last year, but better late than never!
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#3174812 - 02/24/13 05:56 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Vermin93]
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I know I didn't ask what SCI was, but thank you so much for explaining it in detail, cause I too had no idea what it was.

Great story, great deer, and again great first post!
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#3175263 - 02/25/13 04:45 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Outdoor life]
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Thanks for all the info. I may go to SCI for my region and see how my bucks rank.

Thanks for the info. SCO.
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#3175326 - 02/25/13 07:21 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 102]
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Wow,if I am reading this right, according to the SCI records, I have some really high ranking bow bucks.
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#3175371 - 02/25/13 08:11 AM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 102]
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Wow,if I am reading this right, according to the SCI records, I have some really high ranking bow bucks.

I was just seeing the same thing 102, maybe i need to find an SCI scorer! \:\)
I knew that SCI recognized fenced kills and some other things but didnt know they broke it down by region?

Great bucks by the way, congrats!!

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#3175711 - 02/25/13 01:24 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Winchester]
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I'm getting more interested in SCI now..... Might consider looking into it. Only thing keeping me with B&C is that's what most people are familiar with.
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#3175723 - 02/25/13 01:43 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Winchester]
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Wow,if I am reading this right, according to the SCI records, I have some really high ranking bow bucks.

I was just seeing the same thing 102, maybe i need to find an SCI scorer! \:\)
I knew that SCI recognized fenced kills and some other things but didnt know they broke it down by region?

Great bucks by the way, congrats!!


Yes guy's and/or gal's that was what I was thinking just by the response of questions about SCI. And yes, while they do recognize high fence hunting they also recognize all other methods of take including hand gun's, as well as other regions and 100% free range.

I was talking to the TN SCI chapter president Keith Watson yesterday for a short time (He was at the shooting range with some kids so he had limited time) and I believe he told me that they were offering a scoring class around the time of thier banquet coming up on March 9th. Here is the link to your local TN chapter again http://www.chattanoogachaptersci.org/index.html Just go to the "Contact Us" page and there are several board members listed there. Get involved with the chapter and learn more about SCI. I believe Chattanooga is in the far south east part of the state. If it is something that you are interested in I am sure that there is room to start a chapter in the west or north west.

If you just want a measurer there is 15 listed on the SCI website. Just click on this link http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/home and then click Record Book, then click #6.Measurer Locator on the right side and enter your zip code or just USA and scroll down to the TN listings.


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#3175823 - 02/25/13 03:34 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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thanks sco
Hey Winchester, maybe we need a road trip!
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#3175979 - 02/25/13 05:07 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: 102]
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I copied this from thier website. Craig Boddington is a guest speaker.

CHAPTER FUNDRAISER WILL BE HELD ON
​MARCH 9, 2013 AT 5:30 PM
Craig Boddington will also present an interactive Hunting Seminar from 3:30-5:30 pm the afternoon of the fundraiser.
​Seminar is limited to 40 attendees.

Tickets: $100 includes both the Seminar and the Fundraiser Banquet, an autographed photo with Craig, and an entry into a drawing for one of Craig's personalized books.

$60.00 for Fundraiser Banquet only
$500 for a Sponsor Table for 8
​(includes a separate drawing for a scoped rifle).​

Door Prizes, Live Auction, Silent Auction, Gallery of Guns, and many other fun activities for both spouses and children.​​​​
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#3178170 - 02/27/13 02:23 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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Attention TN residents, we need to go hunt Canada! lol.

400 Pound Whitetail, that is awesome!


Just make sure it is Alberta. I know some good areas.(wink wink) Anyone interested in giant black bear as well?


Hey Shadow Creek; Where is your hunting area in Alberta and how far in advance do you book? I hunted several years with Ron Nemetchek near Athabasca and Calling Lake and wanted to take another trip someday. From what I hear, the hunting and the deer have been great as they have not had a killing winter in several years. Congrats on some great deer.
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#3178479 - 02/27/13 06:53 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: fairchaser]
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Attention TN residents, we need to go hunt Canada! lol.

400 Pound Whitetail, that is awesome!


Just make sure it is Alberta. I know some good areas.(wink wink) Anyone interested in giant black bear as well?


Hey Shadow Creek; Where is your hunting area in Alberta and how far in advance do you book? I hunted several years with Ron Nemetchek near Athabasca and Calling Lake and wanted to take another trip someday. From what I hear, the hunting and the deer have been great as they have not had a killing winter in several years. Congrats on some great deer.


I hunt in a few different areas in Alberta but my whitetail is directly south of the area Ron hunts at Athabasca.
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#3178495 - 02/27/13 07:02 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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does sci recognize cross bow's ?

my cross bow buck from 2011 grossed 185 7/8 b&C and 181 4/8 net non typ
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#3178509 - 02/27/13 07:13 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: Deer Assassin]
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does sci recognize cross bow's ?

my cross bow buck from 2011 grossed 185 7/8 b&C and 181 4/8 net non typ


Yes they do. I believe that Is a potential record.
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#3178519 - 02/27/13 07:17 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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does sci recognize cross bow's ?

my cross bow buck from 2011 grossed 185 7/8 b&C and 181 4/8 net non typ


Yes they do. I believe that Is a potential record.


i killed it opening day 2011 here in middle tn it 4th on the archery list here in TN hes a cute lil fella
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#3178521 - 02/27/13 07:18 PM Re: My 2012 204" SCI Whitetail and 180" Mule deer. [Re: SCO]
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 Originally Posted By: SCO
 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
does sci recognize cross bow's ?

my cross bow buck from 2011 grossed 185 7/8 b&C and 181 4/8 net non typ


Yes they do. I believe that Is a potential record.


Actually that should be a new #8 overall for your area but it also should be a WORLD record by method for your area. Congrats!!


Edited by SCO (02/27/13 07:19 PM)
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