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#3162644 - 02/13/13 03:04 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hangnail]
de novo
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The days of wondering how many people are in a house are over. If the military can tell how many live people are in a house, a police department the size of LA can too.


The same force that shot up a car with two Asian ladies a few days ago in broad daylight is now assumed to have the ability and competence to not only determine how many people are in a Big Bear cabin but positively ID them before torching the cabin?

The cops shot at more LA civilians this week than Dorner.
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#3162668 - 02/13/13 03:22 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The days of wondering how many people are in a house are over. If the military can tell how many live people are in a house, a police department the size of LA can too.


The same force that shot up a car with two Asian ladies a few days ago in broad daylight is now assumed to have the ability and competence to not only determine how many people are in a Big Bear cabin but positively ID them before torching the cabin?

The cops shot at more LA civilians this week than Dorner.

Should also add that they failed to notice Dorner's presence literally right under their noses (for several days) in one of those "vacant" cabins, part of which time he had two female captives tied up with him. But they did check that cabin and determined it was vacant.

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#3162669 - 02/13/13 03:23 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
Hangnail
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Didn't say every squad car had the capability. Nobody has stated the LAPD ranks are filled with smart people. I'm pretty sure that if this had happened around here, much the same thing would have happened. Ask some of the member LEO's how it would have been handled in their jurisdiction. Us web-based Johnny Cochran's know better how it'd go if we were by-gord in charge!!

Glad he's dead. Glad I don't wear a tinfoiled hat. Glad I don't live in California. Glad I don't drive a blue truck like Dorner. Lot's more "glads" if ya want to read them.

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#3162672 - 02/13/13 03:24 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hangnail]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Glad he's dead. Glad I don't wear a tinfoiled hat. Glad I don't live in California. Glad I don't drive a blue truck like Dorner. Lot's more "glads" if ya want to read them.
I'll agree with you on those. I'm glad, too.

Was just stating I found it disturbing that so many innocent people may have faced more risk from those pursuing Dorner, than from Dorner himself. Never professed to have all the answers. Just "glad" I was no where near that part of the country.

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#3162685 - 02/13/13 03:43 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Wes Parrish]
Grizzly Johnson
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Glad he's dead. Glad I don't wear a tinfoiled hat. Glad I don't live in California. Glad I don't drive a blue truck like Dorner. Lot's more "glads" if ya want to read them.
I'll agree with you on those. I'm glad, too.

Was just stating I found it disturbing that so many innocent people may have faced more risk from those pursuing Dorner, than from Dorner himself. Never professed to have all the answers. Just "glad" I was no where near that part of the country.


I agree
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#3171968 - 02/21/13 12:52 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Here's a lengthy article about the events leading up to his rampage. A few new details, especially about his firing from LAPD and his mental state, that were new to me.

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Who's Crazier? Christopher Dorner or the Country?

Former Los Angeles policeman Christopher Dorner is finally dead. It took what the chief of the LAPD calls “by far the largest manhunt in the history of the LA region” to catch him.

It’s a dramatic story, alright, but the real drama is race. Dorner was black and claimed that racism and corruption in the police department pushed him over the edge. He is now a hero to many blacks, and Jesse Jackson says he could feel Dorner’s “hurt and pain.”

This man declared war on the police. He managed to kill two officers and seriously injure two more. He killed a young woman and her fiancé. A former girlfriend calls him “twisted” and “severely emotionally disturbed.”

And what has the LAPD decided to do? Open a full investigation to see whether the department might have made a mistake when they fired Dorner five years ago.

This is a classic case of American racial craziness, but to understand just how crazy, we need to start at the beginning.

In 2007, Dorner was a rookie in the LAPD working under a training officer, a white woman named Teresa Evans. According to her records from that period, he was preoccupied with race: what the races of suspects were and the races of the officers who arrested them. He wanted her to tell him everything she knew about racism in the department and whether she had ever been mistreated. She told him they just ought to do their jobs.

On July 28, 2007, they were called to a hotel in San Pedro, California, where a man was behaving strangely. He turned out to be mentally ill, got rowdy, and had to be restrained. Two hotel employees and Sergeant Eddie Hernandez of the LAPD saw what happened.

Twelve days later, Teresa Evans wrote up a supervisor’s evaluation of Dorner in which she said he had to improve in “officer safety and common sense and good judgment.” He was still on probation, and this was potentially bad enough to wash him out of the department. The next day, the day after he got this bad evaluation, Dorner reported that Teresa Evans had used improper force on the mentally ill man. He claimed she kicked him in the chest and face.

This charge resulted in a full internal investigation, in which 12 witnesses gave formal testimony. The mentally ill man had made a recorded statement in a lawyer’s office saying that he had been kicked, but when the investigators questioned him formally, his answers were “incoherent and nonresponsive.” The investigation concluded that the charges against Teresa Evans were false, and the LAPD fired Dorner in September 2008. He sued in Superior Court to get his job back and lost.

Dorner appealed that decision to the Court of Appeals of California. There, a panel of two judges went back over the whole record, and the entire decision they rendered in 2011 is on line. This is its most important sentence:

“Sergeant Hernandez and the two DoubleTree employees who witnessed the incident, Adrid and Perez, did not see any kicks.”

The judges also noted that a photo of the mentally ill man, taken right after his arrest, “did not show any dirt on his white shirt that would have indicated he was kicked.” The judges also found it very suspicious that Mr. Dorner didn’t make a complaint about excessive force until after he got the bad evaluation. The court concluded that the LAPD had done the right thing.

Randal Quan is a lawyer who represented Mr. Dorner during the internal LAPD investigation in 2008. He is now widely quoted as saying about his client, “This officer wasn’t given a fair shake.” And that, “This officer is being made a scapegoat.”

Some news stories make it sound as though that is what Mr. Quan is saying today, but that is what he was saying five years ago: exactly what a defense lawyer is supposed to say.

Now, Mr. Dorner says Mr. Quan did not defend him properly. And so, he took particularly cruel revenge. He killed Mr. Quan’s 27-year-old daughter along with her fiancé. It was only after he had killed her that he went gunning for policemen.

So what kind of fellow was this Christopher Dorner? He put up a foul-mouthed, 11,000-word tirade on Facebook in which we learn that he is in favor of gun control, loves Michelle Obama’s bangs, thinks Hillary Clinton would make a great President, likes leftist television commentators, and thinks he has been tormented by racism since he was a child.

He is also clearly crazy. Ariana Williams is a woman who dated him while he was still a police officer. She calls him “twisted,” “super paranoid,” and “severely emotionally and mentally disturbed.” She also says he was obsessed with being a police officer. In her words:

“For somebody like Chris, he was the type of person that without him having a badge, without him having that job, title of police officer, I really don’t think he would exist without it.”

Could that be a motive to make false accusations against a supervisor who gave bad ratings? Miss Williams says Dorner regularly made things up, and that the investigators simply saw through his lies.

Later, Dorner married someone named April Carter. She filed for divorce after less than a month. Her brother says she is deeply embarrassed by the marriage—which he says really lasted only about eight hours—and refuses to talk about it.

So, here we have a guy who has completely jumped the tracks, ran around southern California killing people, and the Los Angeles police are going to reopen the 2008 investigation and go sniffing for racism.

What this means is that you can be a psychopath and a cop-killer, but if you are black and you yell about racism, then “Oh my gosh, we need to look into this.” Police chief Charlie Beck is saying, “We don’t trust our own system. We don’t trust our own people. We don’t trust the courts. We think this guy who would have killed us all if he could have, is on to something.”

Does Chief Beck think that six years later witnesses are going to change their testimony and say, “Yeah, I saw her kick the guy. I covered up for her because I don’t like black people.”

The message is clear: If you make a big enough stink about what you claim is racism, we’ll listen. You could be murderous scum, but if you use the magic R-word, you might just be in the right.

This craven attitude only encourages other blacks to think Mr. Dorner is a heroic black man standing up against racism. Of course, many of them thought he was a hero from the start. If you go to a site called Twitchy.com, you will see what black people were tweeting about Dorner while he was still alive.

“Chris Dorner is an American hero, he’s fighting racism.”

“this Christopher Dorner is a real [censored] nigga man I respect him”

“Black history month at its finest”

It is February, after all.

“Shoutout to Christopher Dorner for making black history month real this year.”

“If #Dorner gets caught, I’m starting a riot.”

“Keep Running and Shooting, Black Man”

“He’s a black super hero ”

“Please take as many pigs wit you before they shoot you”

“Dorner if you could read this, you can stay at my pad!”

Now that he is dead, the people who were rooting for him can commiserate by using the Twitter hashtag #TeamDorner.

And then there was Jesse Jackson’s open letter to Mr. Dorner. It starts out: “Dear Christopher Dorner, I understand your feelings of hurt and pain.” I guess it’s the hurt and pain of being a black man in racist America. I wonder if Mr. Jackson sent a note to Mr. Quan about the hurt and pain of losing his daughter.

Mr. Jackson goes on to list several “good and credible” people in the Los Angeles area who will “gladly receive you.” Receive him? I’m not quite sure what that means, but it’s a funny thing about these good and credible people. They’re all black. Just a coincidence, I guess.

So here we have a race-obsessed killer, and race-obsessed Jesse Jackson, and race-obsessed black people offering the killer a place to stay—and a white police chief is reopening the investigation because white people might have done something “racist”?

We will always have crazy people in this country. But only a crazy country could believe that the problem might have been the police department and not Christopher Dorner.
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#3172067 - 02/21/13 02:32 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
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Sounds like he got the help he needed then.....
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