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#3169861 - 02/19/13 04:08 PM Jakes
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I'm tired of looking at topics about vests, shells, and optics. \:D

Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.


Edited by Setterman (02/19/13 06:35 PM)

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#3169899 - 02/19/13 04:43 PM Re: James [Re: Setterman]
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#3169915 - 02/19/13 05:01 PM Re: James [Re: knightrider]
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#3169950 - 02/19/13 05:48 PM Re: James [Re: REN]
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More tender and easier to carry out of the woods?
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#3169951 - 02/19/13 05:49 PM Re: James [Re: Benelli 4 Life]
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With 4 birds in a year,why not? \:D
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#3170040 - 02/19/13 07:07 PM Re: James [Re: J-WO]
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Bad eyesite. \:D
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#3170046 - 02/19/13 07:11 PM Re: James [Re: Gravey]
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I say it was a brush shot! Wanna go hunting sometime Wolf? Haha
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#3170085 - 02/19/13 07:38 PM Re: James [Re: BigRod]
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Some people may be lucky to even get a shot at a jake or new to the sport.
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#3170322 - 02/19/13 09:39 PM Re: James [Re: paradis1142]
catman529
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Bush whackin jakes is da best!

My goal this spring is 4 long beards. Nothing against jakes, I just want the most bang for my buck
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#3170470 - 02/20/13 07:04 AM Re: James [Re: catman529]
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There was a time when I felt the same way. I set up on what sounded like a mature bird one morning. He was gobblin good and getting closer. A jake walks around the corner of the logging road and I'm thinking ol big boy will show up any second. But the jake just walks past me and out of sight and starts gobblin again.

I decided that day that I'm not passing on jakes anymore.
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#3170471 - 02/20/13 07:09 AM Re: James [Re: Uncle Jesse]
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Because it's legal in TN and they want to?
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#3170475 - 02/20/13 07:11 AM Re: James [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Because it's legal in TN and they want to?


\:D

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#3170527 - 02/20/13 08:29 AM Re: James [Re: PalsPal]
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Because when Lawrence county hit rock bottom, and we had to go other places i went on a 4 year dry spell without a bird, i broke that with a jake and i may get over it, when i have alot of opportunity, but for now if i have a chance at a jake before a longbeard ill take it
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#3170622 - 02/20/13 10:08 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I'm tired of looking at topics about vests, shells, and optics. \:D

Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.


Me too. Lets talk about something interesting.

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#3170629 - 02/20/13 10:15 AM Re: James [Re: Uncle Jesse]
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I definitely am not gonna say I have never shot a jake !! But these days I prefer to waitin on Mr Tom !! I believe every youngster needs a chance to get a bird !! I am a big fan of Mississippi rules !! Youngsters can shoot em! but adults must shoot a bird with a six inch or longer beard !! Just my opinion
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#3170732 - 02/20/13 11:56 AM Re: James [Re: Final steps TC]
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 Originally Posted By: Final steps TC
I definitely am not gonna say I have never shot a jake !! But these days I prefer to waitin on Mr Tom !! I believe every youngster needs a chance to get a bird !! I am a big fan of Mississippi rules !! Youngsters can shoot em! but adults must shoot a bird with a six inch or longer beard !! Just my opinion


That is a neat rule there. I like that rule because I do not shoot jakes but I still think that if a hunter is happy with a jake then shoot the jake.

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#3170734 - 02/20/13 11:57 AM Re: James [Re: Final steps TC]
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Here we go again

This is a turkey forum
people are going to talk about the stuff your tired of reading

If someone wants to shoot a jake then they should
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#3170860 - 02/20/13 01:36 PM Re: James [Re: Lawrence]
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I have no desire to shoot jakes.
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#3170924 - 02/20/13 03:04 PM Re: James [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
I have no desire to shoot jakes.


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#3170954 - 02/20/13 03:42 PM Re: James [Re: Lawrence]
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
Here we go again

This is a turkey forum
people are going to talk about the stuff your tired of reading

If someone wants to shoot a jake then they should


You need to lighten up, this was clearly meant tongue in cheek, however people like you can't seem to grasp the concept.

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#3170974 - 02/20/13 04:07 PM Re: James [Re: Setterman]
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I dont have a problem with the concept
its you I have a problem with

Every one of your post has an agenda
Talking down to everyone that questions you or your opinion
Dude you need to lighten up
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#3170975 - 02/20/13 04:10 PM Re: James [Re: Setterman]
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I agree that if someone wants to shoot a legal bird by all means shoot it ! I simply don't shoot them and would love to see what our turkey population would do if we stopped shooting the youngsters !!
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#3170978 - 02/20/13 04:13 PM Re: James [Re: Uncle Jesse]
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IMO jake killing has its place in time for turkey hunters!! you will eventually develop a mind set not to kill them and burn a precious tag on a SHORT BEARD!! I am at that point in my life
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#3170992 - 02/20/13 04:26 PM Re: James [Re: Lawrence]
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
I dont have a problem with the concept
its you I have a problem with

Every one of your post has an agenda
Talking down to everyone that questions you or your opinion
Dude you need to lighten up



actually I think he has lightened up in this thread, it was clearly tongue in cheek, unlike some of his posts in the past. Don't take it so serious
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#3171009 - 02/20/13 04:44 PM Re: James [Re: Lawrence]
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
I dont have a problem with the concept
its you I have a problem with

Every one of your post has an agenda
Talking down to everyone that questions you or your opinion
Dude you need to lighten up





There was no agenda, except having a little fun, and most caught that from the get go.

If you have a problem with someone over an Internet forum than you are truly a sad individual with what must be a depressing life.

Go read the original post, it was a harmless question meant as a joke and thus the reason I didn't even respond until you showed up trying to be mister forum tough guy.

Everyone else seemed to get the point, but I guess there is always the one who seems to fail kindergarten in every group.

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#3171015 - 02/20/13 04:46 PM Re: James [Re: Setterman]
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because their tender!!!!
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#3171029 - 02/20/13 05:03 PM Re: James [Re: huntintn]
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Must be getting closer to March 30th!!

Setterman is getting fired up.

To answer your question....maybe they needed a jake fan for their decoy?


Edited by TurkeyBurd (02/20/13 05:04 PM)
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#3171057 - 02/20/13 05:32 PM Re: James [Re: TurkeyBurd]
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I'll let'em walk but don't knock anyone for shooting one if they want. Especially kids.
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#3171075 - 02/20/13 05:43 PM Re: James [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Its been 2 years since I have killed a turkey. If a jake is my first opportunity this year he dies. After that its all long beards for the season.
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#3171195 - 02/20/13 07:21 PM Re: James [Re: TurkeyBurd]
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 Originally Posted By: TurkeyBurd
Must be getting closer to March 30th!!

Setterman is getting fired up.

To answer your question....maybe they needed a jake fan for their decoy?
\:D
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#3171218 - 02/20/13 07:45 PM Re: James [Re: TurkeyBurd]
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 Originally Posted By: TurkeyBurd
Must be getting closer to March 30th!!

Setterman is getting fired up.

To answer your question....maybe they needed a jake fan for their decoy?
I've got one I made from last year. But I don't have a decoy \:D
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#3171250 - 02/20/13 08:18 PM Re: James [Re: catman529]
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If you don't want to buy one make you one. I had a friend that made one out of clothes hangers and burlap with a real fan on it. He just spray painted it. He had a pet gobbler at the same time. I used to crack up when I'd go over there because he'd put out his home made deke and his gobbler would attack it every time. The bird would flog it and then stomp it flat. As fast as my buddy would pick it up and bend it back into shape the gobbler would attack it again.
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#3171367 - 02/20/13 09:29 PM Re: James [Re: Mike Belt]
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I had a buddy back home that needed a spur of the moment decoy and remembered where a blue 5 gallon bucket of hydraulic fluid had been left from a timber operation. He emptied the bucket laid it out on the edge of a cotton field on its side, and jammed a palmetto down in the dirt behind like a fan. There was a nasty old henned up bird pitching into this field every morning, and when the bird hit the field at daylight it saw the bucket and charged it, only to die before he probably realized he was horribly mistaken.
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#3171379 - 02/20/13 09:38 PM Re: James [Re: Setterman]
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Been seeing some big turkeys the last few days,I suspect a record harvest for anderson county this year # wise & size also,seen 1 flock that had 75-100 birds in it right at the end of deer season also,may get lucky enuf to smack 1 this spring
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#3171460 - 02/20/13 11:07 PM Re: James [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
If you don't want to buy one make you one. I had a friend that made one out of clothes hangers and burlap with a real fan on it. He just spray painted it. He had a pet gobbler at the same time. I used to crack up when I'd go over there because he'd put out his home made deke and his gobbler would attack it every time. The bird would flog it and then stomp it flat. As fast as my buddy would pick it up and bend it back into shape the gobbler would attack it again.
I made a hen decoy in december of 2010. Used cardboard for the frame, tissue paper for the packing and paper mache for the outer layer, then painted it by hand. Looks pretty good, have hardly used it, I would like to make a jake one sometime but I don't want to use paper because of the wet grass or rain.
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#3171539 - 02/21/13 05:50 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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I don't shoot them but don't have a problem with it since it is legal... as long as you aren't hunting under a QTM program. \:D
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#3171707 - 02/21/13 08:52 AM Re: James [Re: Uncle Jesse]
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Lol, well I didn't kill a bird last year, never even saw a male turkey, so if a Jake would have showed himself he would have left with me
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#3171712 - 02/21/13 08:58 AM Re: James [Re: easy45]
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I honestly don't see a problem in shooting one jake for youngsters, first timers, guys on cold spells, or anything like that. I personally wouldn't shoot one but I aint gonna frown upon people that shoot a jake. Just like any kind of hunting, if the hunter gets excited and nervous there is no problem with it.
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#3172072 - 02/21/13 02:46 PM Re: James [Re: woodsman87]
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I have shot jakes in the past when I first started turkey hunting. I have not shot one in years and have no desire to kill a jake normally. That being said, I have a 5 year old son who has started going hunting with me. I shot a buck last fall, that I would have normally passed, because he was with me. He was so excited and it was a memory that I will always cherish. He is already fired up about going turkey hunting with me this spring. If he is with me and a jake comes along, there is a good chance I will shoot it.
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#3172552 - 02/21/13 09:30 PM Re: James [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I had a buddy back home that needed a spur of the moment decoy and remembered where a blue 5 gallon bucket of hydraulic fluid had been left from a timber operation. He emptied the bucket laid it out on the edge of a cotton field on its side, and jammed a palmetto down in the dirt behind like a fan. There was a nasty old henned up bird pitching into this field every morning, and when the bird hit the field at daylight it saw the bucket and charged it, only to die before he probably realized he was horribly mistaken.


And to think people pay upwards of $200 for a decoy!
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#3172951 - 02/22/13 10:23 AM Re: James [Re: AT Hiker]
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Killed one up on the mountain last year that gobbled as hard as any longbeard I have ever heard. Hunted 'em two mornings in a row. Second morning, finally got 'em to come take a look. Set up just this side of a rise on a saddle and when that red, white, and blue head broke that rise, I killed 'em. I usually give jakes a pass, but have killed a couple that were mistaken for longbeards in this manner.
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#3173227 - 02/22/13 03:47 PM Re: James [Re: ]
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When I want a bird to roast in the oven, it has to be a jake.
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#3173254 - 02/22/13 04:41 PM Re: James [Re: 7mminatree]
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I dont care to shoot 1 a year. But I wouldnt want to waste 4 tags on them.
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#3173499 - 02/22/13 08:50 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.

I don't know, and think likewise about 2-yr-old birds as well.

Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?

But shoot what makes YOU happy. \:\)
Mature Bucks & Mature Toms make me happiest.

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#3173567 - 02/22/13 09:34 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.

I don't know, and think likewise about 2-yr-old birds as well.

Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?

But shoot what makes YOU happy. \:\)
Mature Bucks & Mature Toms make me happiest.
I would like to only shoot bucks 3.5+ but if I'm having a bad year ill shoot whatever I'm presented with. Same for turkeys...
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#3173591 - 02/22/13 10:02 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Why would anyone waste a tag on a jake.

I don't know, and think likewise about 2-yr-old birds as well.

Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?

But shoot what makes YOU happy. \:\)
Mature Bucks & Mature Toms make me happiest.


Agreed, and for the record my original post was tongue in cheek, and meant to start some discussion other than the bland loads/patterns etc that fill these forums before the season arrives.

I try and only shoot 4.5 year old bucks, sometimes I make a mistake and shoot a 3.5 year old buck, heck like most I've screwed up and killed them all the way down to buttons.

With turkeys it takes a better man and eye than mine to size up spurs in the woods. If his beard is long he dies, and a 2 year old bird is just as good to me as a bird with 1 1/2" spurs. I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.

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#3173603 - 02/22/13 10:24 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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I've killed a couple of jakes in the past. The last 4 or 5 years I turkey hunted they all got a free pass. I haven't turkey hunted now for the last 5 years so I guess it's a wait and see thing. I have my doubts that I'll shoot one though.
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#3173615 - 02/22/13 10:45 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.
I play 3 games with turkeys. Calling them in, spot and stalk, and ambushing. Oh... and shooting them off the limb if I really want to! \:D
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#3173747 - 02/23/13 07:27 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and for the record my original post was tongue in cheek, and meant to start some discussion . . . . .

I try and only shoot 4.5 year old bucks, sometimes I make a mistake and shoot a 3.5 year old buck . . . . .

With turkeys it takes a better man and eye than mine to size up spurs in the woods.

x 2

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and a 2 year old bird is just as good to me as a bird with 1 1/2" spurs.

Now on THAT, we'll have to disagree! \:D
I'm "gunning" for 3-yr-old or older birds with LONG spurs. I don't care so much about the beards.
I passed up some 2-yr-old birds last year, then had the greater pleasure of helping a couple friends kill them, one of whom had never killed a turkey. While we usually can't see the spurs, there is a difference in a long DANGLY beard (and a few other subtleties) to distinguish an old Tom from a 2-yr-old bird. But as with hunting for older bucks, sometimes we mistakenly take one younger than intended.

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#3173754 - 02/23/13 07:38 AM Re: Jakes [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.
I play 3 games with turkeys. Calling them in, spot and stalk, and ambushing. Oh... and shooting them off the limb if I really want to! \:D

When I was Catman's age, I probably would have shot a turkey off the limb, too. \:D
Just never had the chance. Weren't many turkeys then, and I sure knew less about how to kill one!

Over time, I believe the hunt becomes more about the quality and the "how" than the quantity or whether there even is a kill.
Kinda like for those who play golf:
You COULD simply walk up to that hole and DROP the ball in it.
But it's really not playing golf unless you hit the ball with your club, starting out from a distance.

Similarly, at my stage and to me, it's not really turkey hunting unless I call up a turkey and he "plays the game" with me. Yes, I've also ambushed a few in the past, but now would rather just try to get them to "play the game" rather than just sneak up and drop a ball in a hole.

All that said, first turkey I ever killed was an accidental ambush, and it was a jake. First thing my friend said was, "Well, yea, I knew it would have to be an accident if either one of us killed a turkey." I actually hunted for turkeys YEARS before ever killing one. It was a good season back then if you just heard one gobble.

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#3173765 - 02/23/13 07:54 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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#3173779 - 02/23/13 08:22 AM Re: Jakes [Re: stik]
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I think there should be spur restrictions, at least 1" on one side! \:D
YES! We need spur restrictions! \:D

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#3173840 - 02/23/13 09:38 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Some of the longest spurred turkeys i've killed have had "scragly" beards, nine inches or less. I've also killed several 2 year olds that had beards ten inches or better. It's hard for me to take someone too seriously who says they can judge a turkeys age by beard length. As for being able to determine a two year old from a three year old(spur wise) on a live turkey in the woods, I find this comical at best
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#3173920 - 02/23/13 12:35 PM Re: Jakes [Re: ]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed loads of all of them, and don't really care as long as they play the game.
I play 3 games with turkeys. Calling them in, spot and stalk, and ambushing. Oh... and shooting them off the limb if I really want to! \:D

When I was Catman's age, I probably would have shot a turkey off the limb, too. \:D
Just never had the chance. Weren't many turkeys then, and I sure knew less about how to kill one!

Over time, I believe the hunt becomes more about the quality and the "how" than the quantity or whether there even is a kill.
Kinda like for those who play golf:
You COULD simply walk up to that hole and DROP the ball in it.
But it's really not playing golf unless you hit the ball with your club, starting out from a distance.

Similarly, at my stage and to me, it's not really turkey hunting unless I call up a turkey and he "plays the game" with me. Yes, I've also ambushed a few in the past, but now would rather just try to get them to "play the game" rather than just sneak up and drop a ball in a hole.

All that said, first turkey I ever killed was an accidental ambush, and it was a jake. First thing my friend said was, "Well, yea, I knew it would have to be an accident if either one of us killed a turkey." I actually hunted for turkeys YEARS before ever killing one. It was a good season back then if you just heard one gobble.
I think we all would agree that calling a tom in to the gun is the best way to hunt em, but spot-and-stalk is a close 2nd to me. Requires you to be on the move, use the terrain to your advantage, and get yourself within range of the birds (much higher chance of being seen). I usually do this in the fall season though... last time I killed some out of a small flock of birds, I got the alarm putt through thick bushes right before I shot the first bird. Didn't matter at that point, because it was just sneaking behind the bushes shooting every bird in range until they were all scattered. \:D

 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Some of the longest spurred turkeys i've killed have had "scragly" beards, nine inches or less. I've also killed several 2 year olds that had beards ten inches or better. It's hard for me to take someone too seriously who says they can judge a turkeys age by beard length. As for being able to determine a two year old from a three year old(spur wise) on a live turkey in the woods, I find this comical at best
my first longbeard was probably 2 years old by the spur length. His beard was a 12.5 inches long
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#3173968 - 02/23/13 02:59 PM Re: Jakes [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: curdogtn
Some of the longest spurred turkeys i've killed have had "scragly" beards, nine inches or less. I've also killed several 2 year olds that had beards ten inches or better. It's hard for me to take someone too seriously who says they can judge a turkeys age by beard length. As for being able to determine a two year old from a three year old(spur wise) on a live turkey in the woods, I find this comical at best
I'm with you on this, anybody that says they can age a longbeard before you grab him by the feet is full of crap. Beard length or size dont tell ya nothin and neither does body size. I look for one of two things before I shoot, a dangling beard or a full tail fan. Long spurs and/or a big body are just bonuses.
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#3174060 - 02/23/13 05:10 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and for the record my original post was tongue in cheek, and meant to start some discussion . . . . .

I try and only shoot 4.5 year old bucks, sometimes I make a mistake and shoot a 3.5 year old buck . . . . .

With turkeys it takes a better man and eye than mine to size up spurs in the woods.

x 2

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
. . . . and a 2 year old bird is just as good to me as a bird with 1 1/2" spurs.

Now on THAT, we'll have to disagree! \:D
I'm "gunning" for 3-yr-old or older birds with LONG spurs. I don't care so much about the beards.
I passed up some 2-yr-old birds last year, then had the greater pleasure of helping a couple friends kill them, one of whom had never killed a turkey. While we usually can't see the spurs, there is a difference in a long DANGLY beard (and a few other subtleties) to distinguish an old Tom from a 2-yr-old bird. But as with hunting for older bucks, sometimes we mistakenly take one younger than intended.


I have killed some monster birds that had the worst beards ever. I've killed some two year old birds that had thick 11" beards. Judging a bird by his beard is no way to judge age IMO.

The only way to judge age is spurs period. There are some 2 year olds that also have monster bodies so count that out as well.

I run with some legendary turkey killers and not one of them, not one has ever passed a bird other than a jake. Nor can they judge age in the field or care to.

I just hope I never get to the point where I can't find enjoyment from killing a long beard even if he is 2 years old. If I do, I'll hang it up


Edited by Setterman (02/23/13 05:11 PM)

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#3174065 - 02/23/13 05:24 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I have killed some monster birds that had the worst beards ever. I've killed some two year old birds that had thick 11" beards. . . . . . .

The only way to judge age is spurs period.

x 2

Although what I originally said was apparently not fully taken as said, and it doesn't take much to get a rise out of some . . . . . \:D

Below is a re-quote, but part of what I was trying to say is that OFTEN you CAN distinguish an OLD Tom from a 2-yr-old one ("old" not meant to be limited to a 3-yr-old bird, but hopefully an "older" one). A long, thick and DANGLY SWINGING BEARD is highly suggestive of a 3-yr-or-older bird, while a shorter "stiff" non-swinging beard is highly suggestive of a 2-yr-old bird.

 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
I'm "gunning" for 3-yr-old or older birds with LONG spurs. I don't care so much about the beards.
. . . . . While we usually can't see the spurs, there is a difference in a long DANGLY beard (and a few other subtleties) to distinguish an old Tom from a 2-yr-old bird. But as with hunting for older bucks, sometimes we mistakenly take one younger than intended.

Never meant to imply I was good at distinguishing a 2-yr-old from a 3-yr-old Tom, but am saying can often distinguish a 2-yr-old from an older one. Am sure I've let an older Tom or two walk simply because I didn't like his beard. \:\)

As with buck deer, it's challenging to accurately distinguish 2 from 3, but we can be right more than wrong when distinguishing 2 or younger from 4 or older.

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#3174104 - 02/23/13 06:20 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I just hope I never get to the point where I can't find enjoyment from killing a long beard even if he is 2 years old. If I do, I'll hang it up


X2. And for the record, I don't think there is a turkey snob alive that gets on a gobbling bird, calls him in, watches him strut, listens to him gobble, then at 30 yards, decides "I'm not going to shoot him, he looks like a 2 year old". Not buying it.
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#3174155 - 02/23/13 07:14 PM Re: Jakes [Re: Spurhunter]
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I will just be happy to get my first one on the ground this year. They are already hammering like crazy in the mornings.
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#3174470 - 02/24/13 09:19 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Spurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I just hope I never get to the point where I can't find enjoyment from killing a long beard even if he is 2 years old. If I do, I'll hang it up


X2. And for the record, I don't think there is a turkey snob alive that gets on a gobbling bird, calls him in, watches him strut, listens to him gobble, then at 30 yards, decides "I'm not going to shoot him, he looks like a 2 year old". Not buying it.

I don't consider myself a snob, but I've called several gobblers that i didn't shoot. I'm a little spoiled in the fact that there are usually others around. I don't have to kill the first gobbler that steps in front of me, especially if he's a "thin" one, lol.

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#3174474 - 02/24/13 09:21 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Food Plot 101]
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The game is much more fun than the kill, although I'm not ready to bowhunt for them just yet, lol.
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#3174512 - 02/24/13 10:41 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Not a turkey killing machine here but I've killed a few. When I call a bird up I can usually tell before I see him he's a jake and for sure after I see him. They're fun to watch but I haven't been shooting them. If a longbeard comes in I don't ever recall trying to see his spurs and I don't think you could anyway. Longbeard = Boom!
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#3177663 - 02/27/13 07:18 AM Re: Jakes [Re: Spurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish



Here's how I look at it:

A jake is like a button buck;
A 2-yr-old young tom is akin to a 2 1/2-yr-old buck;
A 3-yr-old Tom is getting there, more like a 3 1/2-yr-old buck.

Why would anyone want to shoot anything less than a mature Tom?


If only 3.5 yr old whitetail were as numerous and as easy to kill as a 3 yr old turkey (not saying any turkey is easy to kill but comparatively they are a lot easier than a old deer).

 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter


And for the record, I don't think there is a turkey snob alive that gets on a gobbling bird, calls him in, watches him strut, listens to him gobble, then at 30 yards, decides "I'm not going to shoot him, he looks like a 2 year old". Not buying it.


I do it and will continue to do it, but I think it has little to do with age of the bird for me. If I am alone and hunting private ground there is a good chance I will let him continue on his way. If it has been a tough year or my hunting is limited, I am dropping the hammer. Public land, prob will kill him too.

Turkey hunting for me is truly a group experience, if I can share it with someone it completes the "circle" if you will. Its truly a game of cat and mouse, discussing the next move with your hunting partner, coming up with excuses and theories why the birds didnt gobble or work today, etc. On the other hand, wild turkey is a treat...likely one of my favorite wild games to eat, with that said regardless if its a jake or mature Tom he is dead if I am in meat hunting mode. I compare it to catfishing, most days I want to catch big fish. You know, the kind that bend your pole in half. When I am wanting to eat them, I could care less...I prefer the smaller ones but when my cooler is full of legal fish I going home.
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