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#3166498 - 02/16/13 05:55 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: Andy S.]
Mike Belt
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redblood...For the most part these buttons came from experienced deer hunters that have been under the management program for several years. Maybe their dues ought to be higher than others....
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#3166506 - 02/16/13 06:01 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
wow. 46 percent button buck harvest. how does that happen.
Yeah,thats tough,I havent killed one in years,makes me sick when it happens.
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#3166509 - 02/16/13 06:02 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
redblood...For the most part these buttons came from experienced deer hunters that have been under the management program for several years. Maybe their dues ought to be higher than others....
Id agree with that,thats seems crazy high to me,although Im sure BSK will say it will adversly decrease the doe harvest,but man,it aint that hard.
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#3166595 - 02/16/13 06:55 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: Andy S.]
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good information
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#3166777 - 02/16/13 09:00 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
fairchaser
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Having a penalty for BB would IMO decrease the doe harvest. There are hunters like me that will only eat one doe per season. I kill more if I can find those that want the meat. I like to help out the program too. I have not made the mistake at Ames yet but have before so I know how easy it is. I won't shoot a lone doe unless I can stare at its head with binos at close range. Even then it's tough. If you put a penalty on me, I might only shoot the minimum does required. It's not money as much as the idea of being penalized. Been there and don't like it very much. I think keeping the doe harvest up is more important than one years BB harvest.
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#3166813 - 02/16/13 09:21 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: Mike Belt]
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Mike
Don't you think it is better to discuss the button buck harvest percentage by comparing it to the total antlerless harvest instead of the total buck harvest? When you compare it to the antlerless harvest the percentage according to Allan was 15%...not acceptable, but understandable when antlerless deer are aggressively targeted.

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#3166815 - 02/16/13 09:22 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: fairchaser]
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 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
Having a penalty for BB would IMO decrease the doe harvest. There are hunters like me that will only eat one doe per season. I kill more if I can find those that want the meat. I like to help out the program too. I have not made the mistake at Ames yet but have before so I know how easy it is. I won't shoot a lone doe unless I can stare at its head with binos at close range. Even then it's tough. If you put a penalty on me, I might only shoot the minimum does required. It's not money as much as the idea of being penalized. Been there and don't like it very much. I think keeping the doe harvest up is more important than one years BB harvest.

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#3166821 - 02/16/13 09:28 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: Bucks & Beards]
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A small deer walking around by itself acting stupid is most likely a button buck. I eat many deer per year 90% being doe's. I have killed one button buck in the last 8 or 10 years.
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#3166830 - 02/16/13 09:43 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
A small deer walking around by itself acting stupid is most likely a button buck. I eat many deer per year 90% being doe's. I have killed one button buck in the last 8 or 10 years.

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Do you get a cranky letter from the manager of your hunting property in mid-December telling you to hammer the antlerless deer? We usually do at Ames. By then the mature does are really educated and satisfying the antlerless goal for the property is not as easy as it seems. Again, over 10% of the antlerless harvest is unacceptable, but understandable with the unique conditions sometimes at Ames.

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#3166883 - 02/16/13 10:58 PM Re: Some Ames Stats... [Re: Bucks & Beards]
Andy S.
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In my opinion, repeated button buck harvest in a single year (more than one per fall) by a seasoned QDM hunter is unacceptable and a demonstration of carelessness and hastily made decisions. It happens, just as I outlined earlier about myself, but with our core membership I think we have A LOT of room for improvement. In my way of thinking, if the threshold is 10% of anterless harvest, then we as seasoned QDM hunters/QDM club should beat that number every year, however, we never have to my knowledge. I would like to see a button buck harvest versus date of kill plotted. I may be mistaken, but I have a sneaky suspicion it will show many of the buttons killed later in the year, say after Thanksgiving, when many of the buttons are the size of a small/medium sized doe and running around like they have no care in the world. It seems every year the buttons hit the ground hard in December at Ames. As I oftentimes say, their will be little to no lasting change if their is no consequence for one's action. We need to do better in the future. My .02

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