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#3166542 - 02/16/13 06:23 PM Buying goodies for deer season when its not season
93civEJ1
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So, I just came back home a few mins ago with my first every muzzleloader. Wally world special..couldnt pass it up. Found a CVA wolf for what seemed like a good price compared to what all I see online for the same gun. Only thing is, they left the dang trigger lock on it. \:\( The ram rod seems a little short, but i just read something online about it twisting to extend...I will check that out shortly. Any other tips I need to know for a first time muzzleloader owner??
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#3166569 - 02/16/13 06:34 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Yes, Blackhorn 209 powder and either CCI 209M or Federal 209A shotshell primers. If it were me I would avoid pellets like the plague. Been there, done that. Never going back. Use Blackhorn 209 unless you want to clean your rifle early and often. Have fun!

Edited by Vermin93 (02/16/13 07:28 PM)
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#3166578 - 02/16/13 06:40 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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i have the same gun. i love mine. shoots great
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#3166592 - 02/16/13 06:53 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: vanleerbuckbuster]
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those are nice guns
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#3166598 - 02/16/13 06:57 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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It will probably be a little while before I ever shoot it, but now I dont have to haul the bow during muzzle season.
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#3166624 - 02/16/13 07:18 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Just be sure you clean it thoroughly as you already know. I swear by Bore Butter, used it my 3 muzzleloaders, following the directions and it's the best for preserving the finish/barrel. A lot of guys on here don't like it but trust me- it works awesome when used properly. I also would recommend the pre-measured powder pellets. Mz is by far my favorite season!?
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#3166635 - 02/16/13 07:27 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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I have the CVA Wolf Magnum...cheap Simmons scope...gun shoots great once you figure out the right combination of ammo and powder pellets. The scope, however, will go out of whack with just a minor whack...btw my ramrod is a little short to but it works. And what CV said, you gotta clean it...alot. The whole setup is worth the money...except for the scope that I have. I'm going to upgrade this fall

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#3166641 - 02/16/13 07:31 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Coach]
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yeah, i am thinking about using the premeasured pellets...but saw someone here recommend doing the blackhorn powder which i say isnt that bad either as long as you just use tubes that you have already premeasured in.
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#3166678 - 02/16/13 07:53 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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I haven't been able to shoot the 209 yet, but I hate the pellets. Leave a crud ring, and the 777 to me is messy.
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#3166708 - 02/16/13 08:27 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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 Originally Posted By: 93civEJ1
yeah, i am thinking about using the premeasured pellets...but saw someone here recommend doing the blackhorn powder which i say isnt that bad either as long as you just use tubes that you have already premeasured in.


Bingo! Buy tubes, pre-measure loads at your house, go to the range, pour it in and keep shooting while your pellet-using friends are swabbing between shots. Also, with Blackhorn 209 you clean the rifle using regular oil based gun cleaners that you would use with a centerfire rifle. You don't have to buy separate water based black powder cleaners and barrel lubricants.

Blackhorn 209 vs other propellants
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#3166710 - 02/16/13 08:28 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: JeepKuntry]
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Dang man....I wish I had known you were looking, I would have made you a heck of a deal on the same gun!
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#3166719 - 02/16/13 08:34 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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cant say I was looking..lol... just one of those times when youre in walmart and leave with things you probably shouldnt..

on the discussion of cleaning ...so you are saying with the blackhorn 209 I could just use my hoppes solvent cleaner?

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#3166834 - 02/16/13 09:48 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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 Originally Posted By: 93civEJ1
on the discussion of cleaning ...so you are saying with the blackhorn 209 I could just use my hoppes solvent cleaner?


Affirmative. Blackthorn has their own brand of cleaner that they recommend, but any regular oil based smokeless powder cleaner will work, including Hoppes. You just need to make sure the barrel is nice and dry when you load the Blackhorn.
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#3167365 - 02/17/13 02:34 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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You'll like the gun. The ramrod is short, but the end twists out to extend about 4 more inches or so and that makes it long enough. You will want to get a slip on wooden palm saver to use with it though.
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#3167682 - 02/17/13 07:13 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: TNGunsmoke]
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 Originally Posted By: TNGunsmoke
You'll like the gun. The ramrod is short, but the end twists out to extend about 4 more inches or so and that makes it long enough. You will want to get a slip on wooden palm saver to use with it though.


Yeah, i went and relooked at the ramrod this morning and unscrewed the extension. At first I thought I might have been missing something. I still gotta get back to wally world when I have time and get that trigger lock taken off of it.

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#3432278 - 11/02/13 03:11 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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bumping this up...because its about time for me to get this thing out of the box and finally go get my powder and bullets and all that good stuff!!!
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#3432302 - 11/02/13 03:25 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Also, since muzzleloader opens next weekend, I am unsure if I will be able to use the BlackHorn 209 at this time, because I have read things online about needing a different breech plug to use it. Not sure though. This whole muzzleloader thing is all new to me.
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#3432319 - 11/02/13 03:34 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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If you got the quick release plug they recommend the replacement. My local dunhams carries the plug. I'm on the bandwagon of bh209 but haven't decided what bullet I'll shoot with my optima
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#3432322 - 11/02/13 03:36 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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I'm shooting a cva wolf as well. Try your stock breech plug before you buy the blackhorn brand. My gun has zero issues with the bh209 and factory breech plug. 100 grains (by volume) of bh209, 250 grain Barnes t-ez bullet, and the cci 209m is lights out in my gun.
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#3432371 - 11/02/13 03:57 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: ruger7mag]
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 Originally Posted By: ruger7mag
I'm shooting a cva wolf as well. Try your stock breech plug before you buy the blackhorn brand. My gun has zero issues with the bh209 and factory breech plug. 100 grains (by volume) of bh209, 250 grain Barnes t-ez bullet, and the cci 209m is lights out in my gun.


awesome...so you never have any issues with it igniting? Only thing is I dont want to spend all the money on 209 powder only to find out it wont use it with a week until season. \:\/


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#3432510 - 11/02/13 05:42 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Nope, I have shot more than a jug of the BH209, and have never even had a hang fire. I would suggest using the cci 209m primers with it though.
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#3432634 - 11/02/13 07:02 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: ruger7mag]
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Have a new cva wolf. Using 100 grains pyradex 240xtp and winchester209 primer and old tasco scope. Nothin fancy or expensive. Clean with hot water and dish detergent. These are good rifles as they are.
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#3433024 - 11/02/13 11:12 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Congrats !
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#3433411 - 11/03/13 08:47 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
Yes, Blackhorn 209 powder and either CCI 209M or Federal 209A shotshell primers. If it were me I would avoid pellets like the plague. Been there, done that. Never going back. Use Blackhorn 209 unless you want to clean your rifle early and often. Have fun!


This is sound advice. I will never shoot pellets again. P.s. the better cleaner white hot pellets. Yeah don't fall for that they suck as bad as normal pellets.

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#3433443 - 11/03/13 09:09 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Diehard Hunter
Dang man....I wish I had known you were looking, I would have made you a heck of a deal on the same gun!


What kinda deal I might be interested
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#3433445 - 11/03/13 09:11 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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ok, so I got back from wally world a min ago. I just ended up going with a box of triple seven pellets for now. Also got some winchester 209 triple seven primers. A bullet starter and some foaming bore cleaner. Now what do I use to swap between shots? what kind of cleaner? Also when I clean the gun I know i use bore cleaner, but what do you use for rust prevent? can i just use rem oil?
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#3433488 - 11/03/13 10:01 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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 Originally Posted By: 93civEJ1
cant say I was looking..lol... just one of those times when youre in walmart and leave with things you probably shouldnt..



This seems to happen to me a lot lol!

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#3433497 - 11/03/13 10:08 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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SI just swab with a wet patch. I have even spit on a patch. Then a dry patch. Don't need a bunch of expensive cleaner or oils. Hot soapy water to cleanthen dry patch and light coat of oil. Pop a cap or two before loading.
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#3433532 - 11/03/13 10:56 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: caretaker]
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No where seems to have bases for a scope for this gun. Any thoughts. I've tried academy. Gander and walmart.
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#3433558 - 11/03/13 11:22 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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I can't seem to find the xtp bullets for muzzleloader anywhere either. Closest thin with 245 grain sst at academy.
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#3433630 - 11/03/13 12:37 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Probably everyone is stocking up right before muzzleloader so you may have to order online or something
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#3433637 - 11/03/13 12:45 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Inkstainz]
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Lame. Lol.
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#3433677 - 11/03/13 01:15 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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oh well...i might just see how well i can get it at 50 yards max for now using the stock fiber optic sites and whatever bullets I can get my hands on at the time and go shoot some in a minute. Just to get a feel for the gun itself and break it in. I will report back. Would really like a scope to dial in before the upcoming weekend, but so far its not looking promising.
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#3433952 - 11/03/13 04:59 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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 Originally Posted By: 93civEJ1
ok, so I got back from wally world a min ago. I just ended up going with a box of triple seven pellets for now. Also got some winchester 209 triple seven primers. A bullet starter and some foaming bore cleaner. Now what do I use to swap between shots? what kind of cleaner? Also when I clean the gun I know i use bore cleaner, but what do you use for rust prevent? can i just use rem oil?


Between shots, a wetpatch is all you need. Once you have it sighted in and are ready to go, take it apart and clean thoroughly. I use hot soap and water and powder solvent. Dry completely and run a lightly oiled patch, followed by a dry patch down it. Be sure the breech plug is clean and dry. Then, it is ready to go.

Load before the hunt and if you do not shoot it, just leave it loaded. Make sure to remove primer and store safely. I have left mine loaded over eight months and it shot fine. When you shoot it again, be sure to cleam before storing after the season.

Not complicated once it is sighted in. Put a decent scope on it, sight in 2" high at 100 and you should be good out to 150. Just hold dead center.
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#3434020 - 11/03/13 05:45 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: bowriter]
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well i took it out to royal blue to shoot it and a few other guns...I only shot it twice. I picked up some 250gr TC shockwaves and yeah, the ram rod wants to get hung on those. The soft tip wants to just grab ahold of my rod. I still have no scope because I cant find any base mounts so it dont look like ill be muzzleloading for the opener. I shot the first time, no dice with open sights at 100 yds...then i just ran a regular dry patch down a couple of times. What solvents should I get? I have hoppes and rem oil that I use for my regular guns, but I bought some bore foaming cleaner for the muzzleloader...what should I use for oiling for storing in between shootings to prevent rust? Sorry I am new to muzzleloading. So at this point I cant really say anything good or bad about the shockwaves shooting out of my gun other them wanting to grab ahold of my ram rod.
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#3434072 - 11/03/13 06:17 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Also, one other question. Is the gun ok to sit in the box over night without cleaning until after work tomorrow or do I need to get out of bed and do it tonight?
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#3434102 - 11/03/13 06:30 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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I have the same rifle and you can't beat the price. It's the most accurate muzzleloader I've owned. It shoots tighter groups that my buddy's $500 Traditions muzzleloader.
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#3434233 - 11/03/13 07:18 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: WhitesCreek]
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Nice thanks for the feedback whites....
I went ahead and stuck some of the TC17 foaming bore cleaner down it and ran some patches down it, followed by a light coat of rem oil...looks like it did when I took it out of the box now. Now I just gotta learn to use this thing and get my scope. I am guessing my ram rod is also my cleaning jag since it has the beveled edges on the end of the ram rod tip.

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#3434268 - 11/03/13 07:36 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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Don't take this wrong but shooting a M.L. twice and going hunting is not the best idea.Shooting and loading a M.L. is not quite as easy as a rifle. One of the most important things is being able to load the gun exactly the same every time. The pressure you use when seating the bullet needs to be the same every time. Not as easy as it sounds.Make sure you are positive the bullet is completely seated against the powder. A gap between the charge and the bullet and you can put a bulge in the barrel or blow it up mark the ram rod so you know how far it goes in loaded and empty.Good luck to you.
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#3434339 - 11/03/13 07:58 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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 Originally Posted By: WestTn Huntin'man
Don't take this wrong but shooting a M.L. twice and going hunting is not the best idea.Shooting and loading a M.L. is not quite as easy as a rifle. One of the most important things is being able to load the gun exactly the same every time. The pressure you use when seating the bullet needs to be the same every time. Not as easy as it sounds.Make sure you are positive the bullet is completely seated against the powder. A gap between the charge and the bullet and you can put a bulge in the barrel or blow it up mark the ram rod so you know how far it goes in loaded and empty.Good luck to you.
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haha, im not going hunting with it after shooting it twice. I only shot it twice because its all I could do with the 100 yard range i was at that everyone else was using. Does me no good to waste rounds with an open sight that I can barely see the target. ;\) I want to get a sight on it and it dialed in before I take it out to smack a deer with.

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#3434497 - 11/03/13 08:41 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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I had to burn a lot of powder teaching myself. Meet up with the right person at the range and it will shorten the learning curve considerably.
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#3434553 - 11/03/13 09:00 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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Vermin is exactly right shoot Blackhorn and don't look back. My Accura shoots the MMP black sabot and the Hornady 250 SST LIGHT OUT!!! Good luck.
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#3434864 - 11/04/13 06:21 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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I don't know if anyone has said it yet, invest in a boresnake. They are the dandiest things I've ever seen. I honestly will have one for every caliber of gun I own from now on.
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#3434974 - 11/04/13 07:53 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: Vermin93]
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#3435919 - 11/04/13 05:00 PM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: DOC1187]
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finally was able to find my bases to mount a scope. In the first place I started looking. Walmart close to home. Found out by someone that they had them in the gun turn display...went after work and bingo...
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#3436996 - 11/05/13 08:47 AM Re: Buying goodies for deer season when its not season [Re: 93civEJ1]
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RamRod pressure when seating the bullet was one of the hardest things for me to learn to do exactly the same.

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