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#3165102 - 02/15/13 01:30 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: mathews338]
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 Originally Posted By: mathews338
IMO the percentage of deer that run off wounded to never be found is much higer with the smaller calibers.


I'd be interested in how the researcher accounted for shot placement in their data collection for that report you're quoting. That is a research report, right? ;\)
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#3165112 - 02/15/13 01:40 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Hunter 257W]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
Regarding head shots with any cartridge, I used to agree that they would either be a kill or clean miss but I disagree now. It would be very easy to hit a jaw or nose and leave a deer with a horrible wound to slowly die. I just don't think head shots are a good idea . . . . .

I've personally seen this happen twice now, and in both cases, the shooter did not recover the deer, which in both cases died a lingering death several days after someone took an "easy" head-shot.

In the two above cases, the hunters were using larger calibers than a .223, but I'd hate to limit myself to a gun that's more limited to just certain shots to have high probability. Besides that, if I planned to do a shoulder mount on a buck, sure wouldn't want to shoot him in the head. Actually, good chance you just might hit the antlers, too.

My take on the .22 centerfires recently become legal in TN was that "the powers that be" figured it would have only a tiny effect on anything related to the deer harvest, while it ended the vocal few complaining that they couldn't use a .22 centerfire. Very few hunters have any desire to use a less effective weapon.

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#3165137 - 02/15/13 02:04 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: mathews338
IMO the percentage of deer that run off wounded to never be found is much higer with the smaller calibers.


I'd be interested in how the researcher accounted for shot placement in their data collection for that report you're quoting. That is a research report, right? ;\)
do you not know what IMO stands for. even though it is only my opinion I still believe it is the truth. ;\)

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#3165232 - 02/15/13 03:56 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: mathews338]
W.Seay
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Nope, my dang pellet gun will kill a deer "with good shot placement" there are way too many much more ethical calibers for deer!
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#3165367 - 02/15/13 05:51 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: feldmutze]
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This will probably stir up further discussion -

Deer Cartridges from Bad to Good

"The point is, you don't want a minimum deer cartridge unless, due to extreme recoil sensitivity, you simply cannot handle anything better. You certainly do not want a sub-minimum deer cartridge under any circumstances! Looking at factory ammunition loading lists from Federal, Remington and Winchester, here are some examples of cartridges that I would regard as poor to inadequate for deer hunting:

All centerfire .22's, specifically including, but not limited to, the .223 Rem. and .223 WSSM. Regardless of their legality and anybody's advertising hype, these are varmint cartridges; they are NOT deer cartridges."




Edited by Vermin93 (02/15/13 09:02 PM)
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#3165531 - 02/15/13 08:10 PM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: Vermin93]
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I wouldn't hunt deer with a .22 cal. Like its been said earlier in this thread, why limit yourself? Why not set yourself up more for succes than failure? Granted, even with the largest calibers, its never a guaranteed kill everytime you pull the trigger. But id sure feel a lot more confident shooting that big buck with my .308 than any .22 cal ever made. And if you're just using a .22 cal on deer just to feel that youre superior to other hunters or to feel that youre "elite" and a better shot than the rest of us, please dont kid yourself. Too many variables to hunting a mature whitetail. And i dont plan on adding another one by limiting myself.
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#3165719 - 02/16/13 01:37 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: climb_higher]
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I would hazard a guess that 10x or more deer are lost with bows than guns every year.where's the ethical calibur with them? \:\)
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#3165743 - 02/16/13 05:39 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
I would hazard a guess that 10x or more deer are lost with bows than guns every year.where's the ethical calibur with them? \:\)


I've lost one with a bow, and one with my 300BLK. I recovered every deer I have ever shot with a .223
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#3165773 - 02/16/13 06:27 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: -DRM-]
mike243
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Lack of Ability & Judgement get renamed as unethical ,Knowing the gun ,bow or your own ability is the hunters responsibility,sometimes we forget the limits & loose a animal & other times its a hunting thing & cant be helped.If a pattern develops of loosing game changing bows broadheads or guns wont do anything other than cost you $.Correcting problems on big game hunts are hard to do as most hunt alone with no 1 there to critique or mentor them .
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#3165911 - 02/16/13 08:33 AM Re: Anyone using .223 / 5.56 cal for deer hunting? [Re: mike243]
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Shot a buck a few years ago with one and will never do it again. He was slightly quartering away and the bullet (I believe it was a 70gr Win power point) hit rib and then just tunneled under the skin all the way to in front of the shoulder. My dad shot this buck a week later and my bullet was recovered. I believe a bigger caliber would have punched on through to vitals with ease. Why do so many marines, seals, rangers, etc. say they would prefer a larger round than the 5.56? Yes they may be shooting fmj rounds but more than one shot is often needed.

On a side note...I don't believe any shot that you can take is a "hit or miss". Their is margin for error and potential for injuring a deer anywhere you take aim.

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