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#3164157 - 02/14/13 04:55 PM Suspenion/Steering Question
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This is my left tie rod




This my right tie rod.....its tilted back as if its bent

Are these hard to change
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#3164166 - 02/14/13 05:09 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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not that tough. you will probably need a puller, worst case a torch to heat it up a little, pipe wrench and a big hammer. Id check those upper and lower ball joints while I was in there fairly inexpensive parts that also wear out.

hope it goes smooth for you \:\)
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#3164176 - 02/14/13 05:21 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
whatnoise
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Outer tie rods aren't hard to replace. Start spraying everything with penetrating oil a few times for a couple days before you replace them. Hardest part will be separating the joint at the knuckle. Big hammer will probably pop them out, if not a pickle fork, or a separator rented from autozone. Mark the threads on the tireods as best you can to get the new ones as close as possible to keep from changing you toe too much. You should get an alignment afterwards. Check rockauto.com or if you have an Advanced Auto in your area order online with coupon codes and pick them up in the store.
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#3164179 - 02/14/13 05:22 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN RDG RNR]
whatnoise
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 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
Id check those upper and lower ball joints while I was in there fairly inexpensive parts that also wear out.

hope it goes smooth for you \:\)


Good idea...at the very least clean those grease fittings and add some grease.
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#3164190 - 02/14/13 05:45 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: whatnoise]
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Won't do anygood to grease that left one with the boot busted like that. Replace them, it's simple
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#3164305 - 02/14/13 07:28 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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 Originally Posted By: TN RDG RNR
not that tough. you will probably need a puller, worst case a torch to heat it up a little, pipe wrench and a big hammer. Id check those upper and lower ball joints while I was in there fairly inexpensive parts that also wear out.

hope it goes smooth for you \:\)


How do you know if upper or lower ball joints are worn?
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#3164366 - 02/14/13 08:25 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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If you change anything, an alignment will need to be performed. I could give you instructions on how to check each suspension wear component. But, the easiest thing to to is take it to a reputable alignment shop for an alignment. They will check everything before performing an alignment. If they are reputable, they will not do the alignment but will tell you to replace certain parts before they can align the vehicle.

If you want instructions to check all components, just PM me.
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#3164380 - 02/14/13 08:39 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: CR500AFX]
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If you are just changing the outer tie rods, there is no need to pay for an alignment when you are a tape measure can put it right back where it was.

Other than the busted boot, are they actually worn and in need of changing?
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#3164406 - 02/14/13 09:04 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
If you are just changing the outer tie rods, there is no need to pay for an alignment when you are a tape measure can put it right back where it was.

Other than the busted boot, are they actually worn and in need of changing?


Assuming that the measurement of the new versus the old is exactly the same, the thread count is exactly the same and assuming that the alignment was within specs to begin with. \:\) I would have it checked after I replaced them regardless, and if it's within tolerances then it's within tolerancesócheap insurance to make sure you don't have to replace tires prematurely.
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#3164411 - 02/14/13 09:10 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: -DRM-]
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1.Listen to the suspension Listen to the sound of your suspension while you're driving around. If you hear any abnormal bumping, rattling, clunking or scraping coming from the front end, it could indicate your suspension is having problems, which could mean your ball joints are worn out.

2.Look under the car at the ball joints under the steering knuckle. Some suspensions have an upper and lower ball joint. The lower joint takes more abuse and usually wears out first. Check if the rubber boots on the joints are in one piece. If they are torn or gone, the joint probably needs replacing. If there is excessive lubricant leaking from the joint, you might only need to replace the rubber cover. Also look for rust dust that would indicate metal on metal friction.

3.Test the steering and suspension If you can't tell simply by looking at the joints, you'll have to get under there and fiddle around. Jack the front end of the vehicle up and secure the car on stands. Try to move the joint around with your hands, there shouldn't be any play if the joint is in good condition. Turn the steering wheel side to side and feel for any excessive or choppy movement. Move the wheels by hand to see how they feel too. Try pushing and pulling on the wheels to feel for any give. If the wheels move around too much, your ball joint probably needs replacing.

Best advice I could give you is google the make and model of vehicle ball joints..tie rod end replacement ect.. youtube generally has step by step video that would be worth looking at before you start,

I just completely reworked my entire suspension, upper and lower ball joints, shocks and struts, tie rod ends and sway bar link pins. My link pins were almost completely rusted into.

I can barely even spell mechanic and was able to do this pretty much by info I got on the net,

Advanced Auto has specialized tools you can borrow. You may need a Ball Point Joint Separator (pickle fork) and pitman arm remover or puller.
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#3164448 - 02/14/13 09:36 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN RDG RNR]
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Easiest way to seperate tie rod ends is to apply pressure upwards with one hand while smacking the flat side of the steering arm squarely with a ball peen hammer. That will release the tapered friction fit of the end. May take a few blows but they will release and best thing is it wont ruin the boot like a pickle fork will or damage the threads by trying to beat on it straight up in case you want to reuse them if you find ut they are not worn. That tie rod end is not bent it is just tipped over, grab it with your hand and it will probably twist back into an upright position. Grab ahold of them and see if they have any play or looseness and also look at them while someone else is turning the wheel back and forth and see if there is any shifting of the tie rod where it goes into the steering arm. There should be no wobble when the wheel are starting to turn.
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#3164538 - 02/15/13 12:07 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: pcrc]
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Will add that my truck really vibrates/ shakes bad at 65MPH i stay under that because it gets bad
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#3164573 - 02/15/13 04:48 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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If it shakes in the steering wheel it is in the front end. If it shakes in the seat look towards the rear of the truck for the issue, driveshaft. I would say a REALLY bad shake in the front end would more than likely be tire related.
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#3164678 - 02/15/13 07:38 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: pcrc]
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I would also check your tires they could be out of balance or rub your hand around the tread if you can feel any flat spots your struts are probably shot.

Like I said before for no more money than it would be and according the mileage on your truck Id rework the whole front suspension and rear shocks.

keep me posted interested to seee what you find.
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#3164685 - 02/15/13 07:47 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy

Assuming that the measurement of the new versus the old is exactly the same, the thread count is exactly the same and assuming that the alignment was within specs to begin with. \:\) I would have it checked after I replaced them regardless, and if it's within tolerances then it's within tolerancesócheap insurance to make sure you don't have to replace tires prematurely.


Have it checked? Check it yourself, and if there are no abnormal tire wear, pull, or handling issues - it's fine.
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#3164721 - 02/15/13 08:37 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: -DRM-]
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 Originally Posted By: -DRM-
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy

Assuming that the measurement of the new versus the old is exactly the same, the thread count is exactly the same and assuming that the alignment was within specs to begin with. \:\) I would have it checked after I replaced them regardless, and if it's within tolerances then it's within tolerancesócheap insurance to make sure you don't have to replace tires prematurely.


Have it checked? Check it yourself, and if there are no abnormal tire wear, pull, or handling issues - it's fine.


Not neccesarily.

I'm really not trying to be argumentative, just helpful, with over 20 years in the industry, but if anyone holds the ability to be able to check alignment specs by "eye-balling it", then that person could make millions in the auto and racing industry. What if both wheels are toed-in, or toed-out, and have just got to the point where adverse tire wear was just beginning, but not visually evident? In most cases, it wouldn't cause a pull, and the average driver most certainly would have no clue what to feel for.

If I had a dollar for every person that brought a car to me over the years that swore that everything alignment related was fine (no pulling/no tire wear) and when I put the Hunter sensor array on the wheels and pulled the specs it showed different, I would be a very filthy rich man. Most places will either check alignment for free, or only charge a fraction of an actual alignment and apply that cost if it was out of specs. Like I said, it is cheap insurance, against the cost of new tires, if indeed it is out.
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#3164740 - 02/15/13 08:51 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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 Originally Posted By: TN Whitetail Freak
Will add that my truck really vibrates/ shakes bad at 65MPH i stay under that because it gets bad


Only in the most extreme cases, have I ever seen suspension parts create a vibration. Without looking at it, I believe your problem is more tire/wheel related. What speed do you start noticing the vibration, does the vibration go away at a certain speed and are you feeling the vibration more in the steering wheel or in your legs/backside? Does the vibration go away when you are coasting? Some of the most common culprits that come to mind when dealing with highway speed vibrations are: out of balance tires, bent/out of round wheel, out of round tire and irregular wear pattern in tires.
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#3165044 - 02/15/13 12:56 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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Ok guys after inspection my u joint that meets the rear differential is bad replacing both today or tomorrow
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#3165051 - 02/15/13 01:01 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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 Originally Posted By: TN Whitetail Freak
Ok guys after inspection my u joint that meets the rear differential is bad replacing both today or tomorrow


That will certainly cause a vibration, especially under acceleration. Glad you found it and your getting it fixed.
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#3165098 - 02/15/13 01:27 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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That tie rod though sure doesnt look good tilting back.....it wont move back straight
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#3165105 - 02/15/13 01:32 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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 Originally Posted By: TN Whitetail Freak
That tie rod though sure doesnt look good tilting back.....it wont move back straight


If it's bothering you (I would straighten it myself though).... loosen the jam nut, put a pipewrench on it and twist it back, then tighten the jam nut back against it.
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#3165711 - 02/16/13 12:58 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Ok update......tonight i changed my u joints FINALLY! ....dropped the driveshaft and pounded out old u joints....went to put new ones in and they seemed a bit oversized.....so i got my micrometer and checked....new ones measured 1.12+-...old ones measured 1.06+-...so i off back to autozone....its 7 pm got to autozone as the guy was entering info i noticed that the when he brought up my part code that the computer showed an axis A & axis B......axis A u guessed it 1.12+-.....axis B u guessed it 1.06+-.....so i was like [censored] i had it turned wrong...so off back to the house 10 miles away. Got to the house and tried again...well turns out i wasnt losing my mind....all 4 caps on old i joints measured 1.06+-.....so i went to autozone webpage and browsed the u joints for my 2000 ranger regular cab.....as i was looking i noticed that the u joints i had contained 2 snap clips different than what i pulled out of the truck then i noticed the extended cab version u joints had all 4 identical snap rings exactly like what I pulled out of old ones....so i clicked on the u joints then went to specs....and u guessed it axis A and axis B measures 1.06+-...exactly what i needed....so back to autozone 20 more miles round trip to get the extended cab u joints which ultimately fit well....truck doesn't vibrate any more but still shakes....the ride has dramatically improved



Edited by TN Whitetail Freak (02/16/13 01:01 AM)
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#3165714 - 02/16/13 01:10 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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Just for reference this is a pic of front u joint which was good but i still changed




This is the really bad rear u joint

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#3166027 - 02/16/13 10:05 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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Heres a tip for when you dont have the part in hand for matching up that you want to replace when you go to the parts store. Always buy both of the options they give you, get home, use the correct one and take the other one and get a refund. No matter what, they will always give you the wrong one when faced with two or more options on the correct one that is susposed to fit. Nothing is more frustrating than having to make 2-3 trips trying to get the right part.
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#3167927 - 02/17/13 09:09 PM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: pcrc]
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 Originally Posted By: pcrc
Heres a tip for when you dont have the part in hand for matching up that you want to replace when you go to the parts store. Always buy both of the options they give you, get home, use the correct one and take the other one and get a refund. No matter what, they will always give you the wrong one when faced with two or more options on the correct one that is susposed to fit. Nothing is more frustrating than having to make 2-3 trips trying to get the right part.


LMBO Aint that the truth. Cant tell you how many times Ive been sent home with the wrong brake pads. $08!!!
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#3168476 - 02/18/13 10:51 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: pcrc]
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 Originally Posted By: pcrc
Heres a tip for when you dont have the part in hand for matching up that you want to replace when you go to the parts store. Always buy both of the options they give you, get home, use the correct one and take the other one and get a refund. No matter what, they will always give you the wrong one when faced with two or more options on the correct one that is susposed to fit. Nothing is more frustrating than having to make 2-3 trips trying to get the right part.


That is good advice. I used to live 1.5 miles from advanced auto and o'reilly's, about 2-4 minutes driving. It was no big deal.
I now live about 25 minutes from them and it's 15 miles one way. It would be a big deal now.

I will take your advice and use it next time I have to buy parts

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#3168512 - 02/18/13 11:22 AM Re: Suspenion/Steering Question [Re: huntinkev]
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Not going to autozone would stop alot of that. They never get it right
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