#3163868 - 02/14/13 12:12 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Andy S.
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As an aside, the common "understanding" of many, including myself, HAD been that "Hevi" shot was about 12 g/cc, while "Hevi-13" shot was about 13 g/cc.
After all, for years now, "Hevi-13" has been, AND STILL IS AS OF TODAY, advertised as being 20% heavier than lead.
And during these same years, Winchester has consistently stated their "Xtendeds" were 10% heavier than lead, while Federals said their "Heavyweights" were 1/3 heavier than lead.
If it's true that Hevi-13 weighs any less than 12.50 g/cc, I don't see any defense they could have against being purposefully fraudulent in their advertising.
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#3163914 - 02/14/13 12:51 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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And yet more evidence that hevi is not 13g/cc
That is Hevi-Shot, not Hevi-13. I have never thought or believed Hevi-Shot was 13g/cc, but the Hevi-13 name implies 13g/cc. The fact EM markets it 20% denser than lead (11.3g/cc) as well as tell the consumer that it is when one makes an inquiry, is very deceptive. If EM would not market it 20% denser and remove the 13 from the name, it would not be so alarming to the consumer when the truth is known.
As i and you have stated i cant complain with the performance, the shot in these bags are the same hevi-shot or hevi-13 that are loaded in E.M.'s shells. Check out the reply over there from toasty.
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#3163999 - 02/14/13 02:26 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Check out the reply over there from toasty.
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#3164407 - 02/14/13 09:05 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Check out the reply over there from toasty. I read his reply, however, I did exactly what he said to do. I called EM's headquarters in Oregon three years running, but I got a different answer every time. In essence, they have not freely admitted it to me the three times I have inquired. Regardless, I believe Hal and Clark when it comes to this subject. Thanks Rock.
I dunno about calling them, bit as far as the testing goes hes rigjt on up there with hal and them
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#3164561 - 02/15/13 03:44 AM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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This is not an isolated problem with hevi 13. It's across the board with everything they sell. The worst I've seen so far is the Hevi Metal. They're all over the place with what's in that shell.
There seems to be a pattern though, they introduce a shell with high density and after a couple years they'll decrease the density of the shot without making it known or reducing price.
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#3164563 - 02/15/13 04:00 AM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Well, if I get a "round tuit", will be pretty easy for me to conclude for myself whether Hevi-13 is heavier (or not) than Winchester Xtendeds. I have both in #6 shot, so I presume if I counted out say 100 pellets of each, then weigh them on my powder scale, will be pretty obvious whether they're of the same weight or if the Hevi-13 is heavier?
Don't think I can do an "apples-to-apples" weight test on the Mag Blends, but anyone see any reason why simply weighing 100 pellets of #6's from each brand wouldn't be conclusive as whether Hevi-13 is the same or heavier than Win. Xtendeds?
In addition to the problems mention with hevi shot, I'm thinking that the Winchester XR's shot is not true to size, in a way. For example, 6 shot XR is smaller than #6 lead but they weigh the same.
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#3164646 - 02/15/13 06:48 AM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Wes Parrish
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#6 shot sized shot SHOULD be the same diameter no matter from what it's made or its density.
I realize that the "hevi" brand pellets are not uniform, but counting out a significant number of what is supposed to average #6 in size SHOULD show whether two different brands are of approximately the same density or have about a 10% difference in their density. A smaller difference in density might be hard to conclude.
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#3165391 - 02/15/13 06:13 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Some number information
This is a very interesting read.
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#3165428 - 02/15/13 06:47 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Wes Parrish
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Very interesting.
Despite those slight differences in various brands of #6 sized shot, none of those differences were far enough off to even approach calling them a #5 or #5 1/2 or a #6 1/2 or a #7. And some of the difference are attributable to copper plating (or lack of).
Very interesting and well done testing.
Not to mention, further reinforces that the advertising for H-13 shells has been misleading.
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#3165574 - 02/15/13 08:55 PM
Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend?
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Andy S.
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Very interesting and well done testing.
Not to mention, further reinforces that the advertising for H-13 shells has been misleading.
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