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#3162711 - 02/13/13 04:08 PM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
Probably has to do with the pressures..... and shot weight.

I'd say you're probably right about it being something to do with the pressures. BUT, darn ironic that they have put out a 1 1/2-ounce 20 gauge load! Even the Heavy-13 20 ga. loads are only 1 1/4-ounce of shot. No one else even comes close to the potency of Federal's 20 ga. turkey load.

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#3162726 - 02/13/13 04:19 PM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
If I really wanted to be sure, I would do a test to determine the density (mass per unit volume) of the shot in the shells you own. Reason I say this is because I talked with a Hevi-Shot rep few days back and he assured me the density was still 13g/cc in the Hevi-13 loads. I also asked this same question to another rep few years back and he too told me that they were 13g/cc. In the end, 12 versus 13 isn't that big of difference, just thought I would point this out.


I'd be surprised if anybody that works for EM knows the exact density of any of their shot. After all the Hevi Shot Duck drama, I'm not sure what to believe from them
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#3163175 - 02/13/13 09:11 PM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Uncle Jesse]
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 Originally Posted By: Uncle Jesse
 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
If I really wanted to be sure, I would do a test to determine the density (mass per unit volume) of the shot in the shells you own. Reason I say this is because I talked with a Hevi-Shot rep few days back and he assured me the density was still 13g/cc in the Hevi-13 loads. I also asked this same question to another rep few years back and he too told me that they were 13g/cc. In the end, 12 versus 13 isn't that big of difference, just thought I would point this out.


I'd be surprised if anybody that works for EM knows the exact density of any of their shot. After all the Hevi Shot Duck drama, I'm not sure what to believe from them


I agree
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#3163178 - 02/13/13 09:13 PM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Rockhound]
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The federal heavyweights are BAD out of my 10 ga.


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#3163249 - 02/13/13 10:02 PM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Rockhound]
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Id like to see a representative of a company that will tell you what you need to know not what you wanna hear

m highly doubting they ever handled any of the shot
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#3163513 - 02/14/13 07:20 AM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Rockhound]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Id like to see a representative of a company that will tell you what you need to know not what you wanna hear
While I agree with the logic in this statement as I know plenty of salesmen, the reps I spoke with were customer service reps, not sales reps pushing a product on me. I can assure you that I will believe the repeated consistent answer of a rep from any company before I will someone typing on a keyboard at home or the office, UNLESS the person typing can substantiate his or her claim with scientific testing that can be followed and understood, and furthermore duplicated to ensure accuracy and the same conclusion regardless how many times it is performed. I have asked three different EM reps this question over the last three years, partially in hopes of getting a different answer, and they have all told me the same answer. I am not saying they are telling the truth, but I would think I could trip at least one rep up and get a different answer at some point. Maybe I will keep trying. With that said, I will choose to believe them UNLESS someone can show me the facts that suggest/prove otherwise. Have you asked Hal how he determined Hevi-13 to be 12g/cc? I would really like to hear his answer. Again, not doubting him, just want to here the supporting information to this claim. It can be fun and very informative play devil's advocate. \:\)
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#3163612 - 02/14/13 08:46 AM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Andy S.]
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\:\) i wish all the dadgum post hadn't been deleted off the no-longer there loading section on old gobbler it was there with pics and all. There were several threads were they had tested the shot by placing the shot in a vial and seeing how much it displaced the water, and whatever from there. I was at a guys house Saturday that was talking about a jug of hevi-13 he had bought but he was cheated because it only measured 12/g
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#3163621 - 02/14/13 08:50 AM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Rockhound]
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I just posted over on the place we talked about the other day maybe they still have the thread info
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#3163722 - 02/14/13 10:07 AM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Rockhound]
Andy S.
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Good deal Rock. I just emailed Hal with that specific question and am now awaiting his reply. I will post up his response when I receive it.
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#3163737 - 02/14/13 10:22 AM Re: Xtended range or Hevi-shot mag blend? [Re: Andy S.]
Wes Parrish
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Well, if I get a "round tuit", will be pretty easy for me to conclude for myself whether Hevi-13 is heavier (or not) than Winchester Xtendeds. I have both in #6 shot, so I presume if I counted out say 100 pellets of each, then weigh them on my powder scale, will be pretty obvious whether they're of the same weight or if the Hevi-13 is heavier?

Don't think I can do an "apples-to-apples" weight test on the Mag Blends, but anyone see any reason why simply weighing 100 pellets of #6's from each brand wouldn't be conclusive as whether Hevi-13 is the same or heavier than Win. Xtendeds?

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