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#3161288 - 02/12/13 03:24 PM Chris Dorner, breaking news
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Domer possibly in shoot out with police, two officers down.

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#3161291 - 02/12/13 03:26 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: leader]
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There is a reporter there and you hear gunfire in background. Crazy world we live in nowadays....
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#3161293 - 02/12/13 03:27 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: leader]
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LA Times - Christopher Dorner was engaged in a shootout with federal authorities in the Big Bear area Tuesday, a law enforcement source told The Times.

The shooting occurred after Dorner burglarized a home, tied up a couple and stole their car, the source said.

It was not immediately clear whether Dorner was in custody.

A second source said there was an active crime scene but did not have details.

Law enforcement officials were swarming the area.

U.S. Marshal's officials said in court papers that Dorner could have fled to Mexico. In Tijuana, Dorner was listed as one of the most wanted fugitives. But LAPD Lt. Andy Neiman said that was only one of many locations authorities were considering.

Neiman said detectives were examining video that might show Dorner purchasing scuba gear at a Sport Chalet store in Torrance days before his alleged killing spree began.

Law enforcement sources told The Times that officials have confirmed the man in the video is Dorner. He spent $5 to $10 to fill up a scuba tank, the sources said. Investigators have also reviewed store receipts.

Officers have crisscrossed California pursuing tips about Dorner's possible whereabouts and serving warrants at homes in Las Vegas and Point Loma.

Meanwhile, an associate of Dorner was being tracked by investigators, according to court records that suggest Dorner may have received help as he eluded a massive law enforcement dragnet.

Dorner, 33, a former LAPD officer, has evaded authorities since Wednesday night when he was named as the suspect in the slaying of an Irvine couple, a crime that preceded a wave of violence.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-christopher-dorner-big-bear.html


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#3161295 - 02/12/13 03:31 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: preds1]
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They need to kill that sorry POS
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#3161297 - 02/12/13 03:32 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: preds1]
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Cornered by police in shoot out at moment apparently....
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#3161300 - 02/12/13 03:33 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: BuckWild]
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 Originally Posted By: BuckWild
They need to kill that sorry POS


No doubt and I bet if he presents a shot with all the police on the scene he will be full of holes ....
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#3161353 - 02/12/13 04:16 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: leader]
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Dorner will not survive, I would wager there's a 308 pointed at every window. Looks like his asymetrical warfare devolved into driving down what is basically the only road and getting caught in a roadblock. He coulda walked out if he had any of the so-called training he supposedly has. It gets D A R K up there at night and snow or not, two miles and he was free and clear. He is no smarter than one of the routine Los Angeles thugs. He was afraid of the forest.
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#3161356 - 02/12/13 04:17 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: DaveB]
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Does this mean they found him or are they just firing randomly at "suspects" again?

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#3161370 - 02/12/13 04:32 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Crappie Luck]
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They will kill him and that POS in the White House will probably fly the flags at half staff for his sorry butt.
Why anyone would think he is some kind of hero and help him evade capture is beyond me.
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#3161414 - 02/12/13 05:15 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bowdacious]
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#3161430 - 02/12/13 05:30 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Crappie Luck]
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So latest is he was staying in a cabin to close proximity to the police command post that was searching for him.
He has a 50 caliber Barrett.
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#3161437 - 02/12/13 05:35 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: leader]
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That's a "50 Caliber sniper rifle that shoots FIVE INCH LONG BULLETS and capable of penetrating body armor and Armored police cars"

ABC on-scene reporter
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#3161452 - 02/12/13 05:44 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Those are illegal in CA. Right?
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#3161457 - 02/12/13 05:48 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bowdacious]
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#3161461 - 02/12/13 05:52 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bowdacious]
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 Originally Posted By: Bowdacious
Those are illegal in CA. Right?


Yep. In return, Barret refuses to sell them to CA Law Enforcement Agencies in portest of the CA laws.
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#3161481 - 02/12/13 06:07 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
That's a "50 Caliber sniper rifle that shoots FIVE INCH LONG BULLETS and capable of penetrating body armor and Armored police cars"

ABC on-scene reporter


I heard another reporter say that he had a ".50 cal semi-automatic machine gun".
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#3161490 - 02/12/13 06:10 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: wayne]
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My wife just said "I hope that's not a Prepper's cabin".
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#3161491 - 02/12/13 06:11 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: wayne]
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Once again it appears the wildlife officers were instrumental in finding the perp.
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#3161513 - 02/12/13 06:22 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Camp David]
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Obomber will be looking to add that to the ban now thanks to the retard cop... After this it will be down to owning guns that are only affective in killing small game and single shot...

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#3161520 - 02/12/13 06:23 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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one officer is dead
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#3161526 - 02/12/13 06:24 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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Obama should look at all the fire power the LEOs have and rethink his position. If these nut jobs stopped to think the average person may have some of these goodies, they may rethink their position.
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#3161530 - 02/12/13 06:26 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bowdacious]
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 Originally Posted By: Bowdacious
They will kill him and that POS in the White House will probably fly the flags at half staff for his sorry butt.



Naaaaa he's American Obomber won't even recognize him... Except in his gun bill
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#3161542 - 02/12/13 06:34 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: wayne]
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 Originally Posted By: wayne
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
That's a "50 Caliber sniper rifle that shoots FIVE INCH LONG BULLETS and capable of penetrating body armor and Armored police cars"

ABC on-scene reporter


I heard another reporter say that he had a ".50 cal semi-automatic machine gun".


Must be nice to fit all those weapons in your pockets....

He has carjacked a couple.... run from game wardens and is now holding hostages... I bet those 50 cal guns get heavy after a while....
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#3161561 - 02/12/13 06:53 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Dude is going to get away.
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#3161562 - 02/12/13 06:55 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: wayne]
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Sure sounds like it Wayne.
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#3161566 - 02/12/13 06:59 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bigswede3423]
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They don't even know if he is still there
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#3161569 - 02/12/13 07:01 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bigswede3423]
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Anderson Cooper just asked if the BASEMENT WAS BIG ENOUGH TO STAND UP IN. I thought all basements were big enough to stand up in.
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#3161604 - 02/12/13 07:19 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: wayne]
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 Originally Posted By: wayne
Anderson Cooper just asked if the BASEMENT WAS BIG ENOUGH TO STAND UP IN. I thought all basements were big enough to stand up in.

Depends on how tall you are.
If it gets dark up there before they get the place lit up he surely can sneak out. if the basement don't lead out under ground
I wonder if all the donkeys are safe lol
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#3161649 - 02/12/13 07:43 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: ImThere]
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A mine scrolled across earlier that said he was in a shoot out with police. One officer killed and one wounded. He was barricaded in a cabin. The next line said. Cabin is engulfed in flames.

Wonder if he's in there?
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#3161768 - 02/12/13 08:49 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bowdacious]
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If this is true:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/1...cted-to-dorner/

SEVEN OAKS (CBSLA.com) — A body believed to be to that of quadruple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner has been recovered from a burned out cabin where he was holed up during a deadly shootout with authorities earlier today.

Dorner, who allegedly shot and killed his fourth victim — a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputy — Tuesday afternoon, was holed up in a Seven Oaks residence for several hours. The home, ironically, is located near the Sheriff’s outpost that was set up earlier this week as part of the search for him.
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#3161906 - 02/12/13 10:22 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Camp David]
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Time will tell.... still too hot to go in and search for a body... many false reports of a body found already...
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#3161952 - 02/13/13 01:31 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Hopefully he suffered a slow painful death. I don't know the circumstances that made him crack, maybe there was discrimination, unfair treatment or other injustices...but he took it to another level. Plenty of people get treated unfairly and don't turn into murders.
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#3162070 - 02/13/13 07:58 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: BamaProud]
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Hopefully he suffered a slow painful death. I don't know the circumstances that made him crack, maybe there was discrimination, unfair treatment or other injustices...but he took it to another level. Plenty of people get treated unfairly and don't turn into murders.


I'm sure there is way more to the story than the public will ever know.... Maybe he took his job very seriously and when it was taken away, if unfairly, took it too hard..... Maybe there was corruption involved, cover-ups, and wrongful actions. Who knows.....

To him, those responsible, payback would be in their future.... to make them feel like what he did by losing his job. To him a badge was a badge, and them coming after him was a threat.....

How much of a threat..... maybe the same threat we are facing everyday with our gun rights being stripped little by little... until we are faced with being defenseless. At what point do we say enough and break.... taking on our corrupt government?
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#3162107 - 02/13/13 08:21 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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#3162136 - 02/13/13 08:39 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: jeff034fun]
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wow this thread is amazing! whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? we don`t KNOW he killed anyone! do we?
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#3162146 - 02/13/13 08:43 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: G5PRIME]
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 Originally Posted By: G5PRIME
wow this thread is amazing! whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? we don`t KNOW he killed anyone! do we?


This guy was nothing more than a thug killer of innocence people,
Maybe he was wronged, h3ll there are millions everyday that don't have their day go as planned, but do they go on a mass vandetta?
I hope the guy got a taste of H3ll before went to the other side.
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#3162149 - 02/13/13 08:44 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Twinshooter]
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Heard this morning on Fox that the fire was blazing, then they heard one single shot from inside.
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#3162153 - 02/13/13 08:46 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Twinshooter]
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Im just wondering, do we know he killed or are we just assuming? i`m not sayin he shouldn`t have been taken down, i`m just sayin i don`t know anything just because the media said so!
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#3162155 - 02/13/13 08:46 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: MUP]
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Dang,i was kinda hopeing he got away..
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#3162175 - 02/13/13 08:58 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
Dang,i was kinda hopeing he got away..


So you were hoping a thug that most likely murdered two innocent victims would get away to murder again?

Amazing.
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#3162229 - 02/13/13 09:32 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
Dang,i was kinda hopeing he got away..


So you were hoping a thug that most likely murdered two innocent victims would get away to murder again?

Amazing.


This reminds me of the Claud Dallas story back in the early 80s. I was 12 when that happened and still remember some grown men hoping he would never get caught.
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#3162252 - 02/13/13 09:48 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: G5PRIME]
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 Originally Posted By: G5PRIME
wow this thread is amazing! whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? we don`t KNOW he killed anyone! do we?


He professed a vendetta against cops threatening to kill people (cops and members of their families specifically) and people died(cops and their families specifically). ...all because he feels like he was mistreated.

I don't KNOW the sun will set this evening, but I think I have evidence beyond reasonable doubt that it will.
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#3162258 - 02/13/13 09:54 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: BamaProud]
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I guess it's a little ironic that today is Ash Wednesday... \:D \:D
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#3162343 - 02/13/13 11:11 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: BuckWild]
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He got "Waco'd"
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#3162368 - 02/13/13 11:36 AM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: wayne]
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He got "Waco'd"


That was allegedly the prime motivation for the OKC bombing.
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#3162402 - 02/13/13 12:15 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
Time will tell.... still too hot to go in and search for a body... many false reports of a body found already...


The media.... At it's best...

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#3162405 - 02/13/13 12:18 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
Dang,i was kinda hopeing he got away..







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#3162417 - 02/13/13 12:33 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Heard this morning on Fox that the fire was blazing, then they heard one single shot from inside.


LOL at newscasters. \:D Is there anything they dont know?

House fires make all kinds of noises, and I've only been to one in the last six months that didn't have ammo blowing up inside.
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#3162438 - 02/13/13 12:54 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: AndyW]
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So last week they found his Wallet and ID when he tried to steal a boat "After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner's wallet and identification cards "at the San Ysidro Point of Entry" near the U.S.-Mexico border."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-ex-cop-may-got-help.html

And now they found his wallet and ID with the burned up body in the cabin?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13...olp00000003&
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#3162440 - 02/13/13 12:55 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: Twinshooter
This guy was nothing more than a thug killer of innocence people,
Maybe he was wronged, h3ll there are millions everyday that don't have their day go as planned, but do they go on a mass vandetta?
I hope the guy got a taste of H3ll before went to the other side.


 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
He professed a vendetta against cops threatening to kill people (cops and members of their families specifically) and people died(cops and their families specifically). ...all because he feels like he was mistreated.

I don't KNOW the sun will set this evening, but I think I have evidence beyond reasonable doubt that it will.


As I said before.... WE don't know what all exactly caused him to break.... THUG.... you mean Military & LAPD as his previous professions?

I have no use for our current reporting stations.... He11 they can't even agree on details of a story.... I won't believe anything they say.... they pick and choose what they report on and cover up for Obama or anyone else on the left side.... never let a good tragedy go to waste. Maybe this guy had a ligit complaint or was a victim of wrong doing.... How deep the cover-up or corruption goes..... only the squad and government know.

Many of you know just as I do, in todays society.... you're guilty first then have to prove you're innocent.

Better hope your not ever in a situation where you snap and go on a rampage or shooting spree.... you could be in the same boat.
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#3162448 - 02/13/13 01:00 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
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Dang,i was kinda hopeing he got away..






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#3162458 - 02/13/13 01:06 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I had hoped they would get him alive.... so maybe we could hear the WHOLE TRUTH of the matter and what caused his actions.
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#3162468 - 02/13/13 01:12 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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If he were captured alive, there would still be two stories, his and the LAPD's. This kind of thing should bring everyone to the conclusion that it is important to put some thought into where you get your mail. The LAPD is and has been a dumpster fire for decades. The more people involved in the day to day living experience, the more likely something really bad is going to happen. LA is toilet that hasn't been flushed.
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#3162490 - 02/13/13 01:43 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
I had hoped they would get him alive.... so maybe we could hear the WHOLE TRUTH of the matter and what caused his actions.

The only way he would have been taken alive is if he turned himself in in a public place. This is the outcome they hoped for so they can make everything the way they want it to look. That's the problem with the world today we only get to hear what they want us to know. There was obviously some very serious issues for him to start taking lives and will never know what they were...
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#3162493 - 02/13/13 01:44 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
I had hoped they would get him alive.... so maybe we could hear the WHOLE TRUTH of the matter and what caused his actions.
I like you! you make good sense! amazing, someone else sees things as i do. and to the best of my knowledge the only "actions" he had was a threat, which even in my opinion is a crime, but not one that warrants murder before a trial! maybe i`m weird hum

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#3162496 - 02/13/13 01:45 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
I had hoped they would get him alive.... so maybe we could hear the WHOLE TRUTH of the matter and what caused his actions.

The only way he would have been taken alive is if he turned himself in in a public place. This is the outcome they hoped for so they can make everything the way they want it to look. That's the problem with the world today we only get to hear what they want us to know. There was obviously some very serious issues for him to start taking lives and will never know what they were...
I like you too! lol

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#3162501 - 02/13/13 01:50 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: G5PRIME]
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The guy had the opportunity to kill two maids yesterday and all he did was tie them up (one escaped and led to his death) and he could have killed a carjacking victim yesterday that he released unharmed. It appears his only targets were conenected to LEO's.
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#3162515 - 02/13/13 01:55 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
The guy had the opportunity to kill two maids yesterday and all he did was tie them up (one escaped and led to his death) and he could have killed a carjacking victim yesterday that he released unharmed.


That is exactly what I was discussing with the wife last night....
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#3162518 - 02/13/13 01:56 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
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He was guilty of murder, and we save a ton of tax money ending this way - LAPD not withstanding .... suicide by cops - a cowards way out IMHO

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#3162521 - 02/13/13 01:58 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
He was guilty of murder, and we save a ton of tax money ending this way - LAPD not withstanding .... suicide by cops - a cowards way out IMHO

ferg....



We don't know that the cops did shoot him.... And all they have is a body, burnt at that.... DNA will confirm if it's him or not.
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#3162535 - 02/13/13 02:06 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
He was guilty of murder, and we save a ton of tax money ending this way - LAPD not withstanding .... suicide by cops - a cowards way out IMHO

ferg....

Guilty until proven innocent, huh?

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#3162547 - 02/13/13 02:14 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: G5PRIME]
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There will be a video out later this week, that will show that all these people are just actors. I'm sure to see it posted on here and it will have it's followers.....
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#3162566 - 02/13/13 02:30 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: gator-n-buck]
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I'll tell you something I've seen no one else mention, that's disturbing to me.

How did "they" (whoever the "theys" were in charge) know beyond reasonable doubt that no one else (say some innocent person) was tied up inside that cabin "they" decided to torch and let burn?

There could easily have been someone else in that cabin where we believe it was Dorner making his final stand? It's also possible this man was not Dorner, but could have been some other fugitive on the run who just happened to be caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Don't take this wrong, as I am in no way defending Dorner. Just saying the police were so quick to shoot, so quick to kill, that they may have taken unreasonable risks of killing innocent people. In fact, it's already a fact that they quickly shot at unarmed innocent people because they "mistook" those people for Dorner. Never mind that two of those people were women, and the other looked nothing like Dorner. Just saying, what will be said should a 2nd charred body be found in that ruble?

I'm also saying this in the context that, for days, Dorner was holed up, only a stone's throw away from the law authorities make-shift headquarters, in a cabin those same authorities had already determined as "vacant". Meanwhile, Dorner did have two women tied up in there with him, the escape of one being what led to Dorner fleeing that particular "vacant" cabin (at least that seems to be the latest "consensus"). Based on how things were handled, it certainly seems likely "they" would have burned up those two captive women right along with Dorner had they trapped Dorner in that 1st "vacant" cabin instead of the 2nd?

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#3162571 - 02/13/13 02:36 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: G5PRIME]
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 Originally Posted By: G5PRIME
 Originally Posted By: ferg
He was guilty of murder, and we save a ton of tax money ending this way - LAPD not withstanding .... suicide by cops - a cowards way out IMHO

ferg....

Guilty until proven innocent, huh?


I'm Texas on this - if there is more than 3 credible eyewitnesses then yea guilty - and you go to the head of the line for the chair -

No question that he shot and killed the sheriff yesterday - and no the cops likely didn't shoot him, but they for sure burned him up - same as shooting him -
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#3162573 - 02/13/13 02:36 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Wes Parrish]
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One of the live reports shortly after the shoot-out said "he" had two hostages in the cabin.... an older couple.... don't know what happened to them or if it was a false report....
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#3162577 - 02/13/13 02:40 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Just saying, what will be said should a 2nd charred body be found in that ruble?


Nothing because"they" won't let that out publicly... If it managed to get out they'll cover their arse someway blaming Dormer...
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#3162592 - 02/13/13 02:50 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
One of the live reports shortly after the shoot-out said "he" had two hostages in the cabin.... an older couple.... don't know what happened to them or if it was a false report....

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#3162598 - 02/13/13 02:52 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
There will be a video out later this week, that will show that all these people are just actors. I'm sure to see it posted on here and it will have it's followers.....

LOL.......thanks, I needed that! \:D

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#3162620 - 02/13/13 02:57 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: beachguy]
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The days of wondering how many people are in a house are over. If the military can tell how many live people are in a house, a police department the size of LA can too.
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#3162633 - 02/13/13 03:00 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
I'll tell you something I've seen no one else mention, that's disturbing to me.

How did "they" (whoever the "theys" were in charge) know beyond reasonable doubt that no one else (say some innocent person) was tied up inside that cabin "they" decided to torch and let burn?

There could easily have been someone else in that cabin where we believe it was Dorner making his final stand? It's also possible this man was not Dorner, but could have been some other fugitive on the run who just happened to be caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Don't take this wrong, as I am in no way defending Dorner. Just saying the police were so quick to shoot, so quick to kill, that they may have taken unreasonable risks of killing innocent people. In fact, it's already a fact that they quickly shot at unarmed innocent people because they "mistook" those people for Dorner. Never mind that two of those people were women, and the other looked nothing like Dorner. Just saying, what will be said should a 2nd charred body be found in that ruble?


All legitimate questions.

I have no problem killing an armed assailant but intentionally burning him up (this was overheard on the scanners) and making identification difficult and all sorts of conspiracy theories possible was not the best way to handle the situation.
I was listening to a live LA talk radio station yesterday on I Heart and they weren't even sure if Dorner ws still in the cabin. The cops banished the media back 30-40 miles so we'll have to take the LAPD's word on what happened.
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#3162644 - 02/13/13 03:04 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The days of wondering how many people are in a house are over. If the military can tell how many live people are in a house, a police department the size of LA can too.


The same force that shot up a car with two Asian ladies a few days ago in broad daylight is now assumed to have the ability and competence to not only determine how many people are in a Big Bear cabin but positively ID them before torching the cabin?

The cops shot at more LA civilians this week than Dorner.
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#3162668 - 02/13/13 03:22 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
The days of wondering how many people are in a house are over. If the military can tell how many live people are in a house, a police department the size of LA can too.


The same force that shot up a car with two Asian ladies a few days ago in broad daylight is now assumed to have the ability and competence to not only determine how many people are in a Big Bear cabin but positively ID them before torching the cabin?

The cops shot at more LA civilians this week than Dorner.

Should also add that they failed to notice Dorner's presence literally right under their noses (for several days) in one of those "vacant" cabins, part of which time he had two female captives tied up with him. But they did check that cabin and determined it was vacant.

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#3162669 - 02/13/13 03:23 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
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Didn't say every squad car had the capability. Nobody has stated the LAPD ranks are filled with smart people. I'm pretty sure that if this had happened around here, much the same thing would have happened. Ask some of the member LEO's how it would have been handled in their jurisdiction. Us web-based Johnny Cochran's know better how it'd go if we were by-gord in charge!!

Glad he's dead. Glad I don't wear a tinfoiled hat. Glad I don't live in California. Glad I don't drive a blue truck like Dorner. Lot's more "glads" if ya want to read them.

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#3162672 - 02/13/13 03:24 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Glad he's dead. Glad I don't wear a tinfoiled hat. Glad I don't live in California. Glad I don't drive a blue truck like Dorner. Lot's more "glads" if ya want to read them.
I'll agree with you on those. I'm glad, too.

Was just stating I found it disturbing that so many innocent people may have faced more risk from those pursuing Dorner, than from Dorner himself. Never professed to have all the answers. Just "glad" I was no where near that part of the country.

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#3162685 - 02/13/13 03:43 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
Glad he's dead. Glad I don't wear a tinfoiled hat. Glad I don't live in California. Glad I don't drive a blue truck like Dorner. Lot's more "glads" if ya want to read them.
I'll agree with you on those. I'm glad, too.

Was just stating I found it disturbing that so many innocent people may have faced more risk from those pursuing Dorner, than from Dorner himself. Never professed to have all the answers. Just "glad" I was no where near that part of the country.


I agree
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#3171968 - 02/21/13 12:52 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Here's a lengthy article about the events leading up to his rampage. A few new details, especially about his firing from LAPD and his mental state, that were new to me.

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Who's Crazier? Christopher Dorner or the Country?

Former Los Angeles policeman Christopher Dorner is finally dead. It took what the chief of the LAPD calls “by far the largest manhunt in the history of the LA region” to catch him.

It’s a dramatic story, alright, but the real drama is race. Dorner was black and claimed that racism and corruption in the police department pushed him over the edge. He is now a hero to many blacks, and Jesse Jackson says he could feel Dorner’s “hurt and pain.”

This man declared war on the police. He managed to kill two officers and seriously injure two more. He killed a young woman and her fiancé. A former girlfriend calls him “twisted” and “severely emotionally disturbed.”

And what has the LAPD decided to do? Open a full investigation to see whether the department might have made a mistake when they fired Dorner five years ago.

This is a classic case of American racial craziness, but to understand just how crazy, we need to start at the beginning.

In 2007, Dorner was a rookie in the LAPD working under a training officer, a white woman named Teresa Evans. According to her records from that period, he was preoccupied with race: what the races of suspects were and the races of the officers who arrested them. He wanted her to tell him everything she knew about racism in the department and whether she had ever been mistreated. She told him they just ought to do their jobs.

On July 28, 2007, they were called to a hotel in San Pedro, California, where a man was behaving strangely. He turned out to be mentally ill, got rowdy, and had to be restrained. Two hotel employees and Sergeant Eddie Hernandez of the LAPD saw what happened.

Twelve days later, Teresa Evans wrote up a supervisor’s evaluation of Dorner in which she said he had to improve in “officer safety and common sense and good judgment.” He was still on probation, and this was potentially bad enough to wash him out of the department. The next day, the day after he got this bad evaluation, Dorner reported that Teresa Evans had used improper force on the mentally ill man. He claimed she kicked him in the chest and face.

This charge resulted in a full internal investigation, in which 12 witnesses gave formal testimony. The mentally ill man had made a recorded statement in a lawyer’s office saying that he had been kicked, but when the investigators questioned him formally, his answers were “incoherent and nonresponsive.” The investigation concluded that the charges against Teresa Evans were false, and the LAPD fired Dorner in September 2008. He sued in Superior Court to get his job back and lost.

Dorner appealed that decision to the Court of Appeals of California. There, a panel of two judges went back over the whole record, and the entire decision they rendered in 2011 is on line. This is its most important sentence:

“Sergeant Hernandez and the two DoubleTree employees who witnessed the incident, Adrid and Perez, did not see any kicks.”

The judges also noted that a photo of the mentally ill man, taken right after his arrest, “did not show any dirt on his white shirt that would have indicated he was kicked.” The judges also found it very suspicious that Mr. Dorner didn’t make a complaint about excessive force until after he got the bad evaluation. The court concluded that the LAPD had done the right thing.

Randal Quan is a lawyer who represented Mr. Dorner during the internal LAPD investigation in 2008. He is now widely quoted as saying about his client, “This officer wasn’t given a fair shake.” And that, “This officer is being made a scapegoat.”

Some news stories make it sound as though that is what Mr. Quan is saying today, but that is what he was saying five years ago: exactly what a defense lawyer is supposed to say.

Now, Mr. Dorner says Mr. Quan did not defend him properly. And so, he took particularly cruel revenge. He killed Mr. Quan’s 27-year-old daughter along with her fiancé. It was only after he had killed her that he went gunning for policemen.

So what kind of fellow was this Christopher Dorner? He put up a foul-mouthed, 11,000-word tirade on Facebook in which we learn that he is in favor of gun control, loves Michelle Obama’s bangs, thinks Hillary Clinton would make a great President, likes leftist television commentators, and thinks he has been tormented by racism since he was a child.

He is also clearly crazy. Ariana Williams is a woman who dated him while he was still a police officer. She calls him “twisted,” “super paranoid,” and “severely emotionally and mentally disturbed.” She also says he was obsessed with being a police officer. In her words:

“For somebody like Chris, he was the type of person that without him having a badge, without him having that job, title of police officer, I really don’t think he would exist without it.”

Could that be a motive to make false accusations against a supervisor who gave bad ratings? Miss Williams says Dorner regularly made things up, and that the investigators simply saw through his lies.

Later, Dorner married someone named April Carter. She filed for divorce after less than a month. Her brother says she is deeply embarrassed by the marriage—which he says really lasted only about eight hours—and refuses to talk about it.

So, here we have a guy who has completely jumped the tracks, ran around southern California killing people, and the Los Angeles police are going to reopen the 2008 investigation and go sniffing for racism.

What this means is that you can be a psychopath and a cop-killer, but if you are black and you yell about racism, then “Oh my gosh, we need to look into this.” Police chief Charlie Beck is saying, “We don’t trust our own system. We don’t trust our own people. We don’t trust the courts. We think this guy who would have killed us all if he could have, is on to something.”

Does Chief Beck think that six years later witnesses are going to change their testimony and say, “Yeah, I saw her kick the guy. I covered up for her because I don’t like black people.”

The message is clear: If you make a big enough stink about what you claim is racism, we’ll listen. You could be murderous scum, but if you use the magic R-word, you might just be in the right.

This craven attitude only encourages other blacks to think Mr. Dorner is a heroic black man standing up against racism. Of course, many of them thought he was a hero from the start. If you go to a site called Twitchy.com, you will see what black people were tweeting about Dorner while he was still alive.

“Chris Dorner is an American hero, he’s fighting racism.”

“this Christopher Dorner is a real [censored] nigga man I respect him”

“Black history month at its finest”

It is February, after all.

“Shoutout to Christopher Dorner for making black history month real this year.”

“If #Dorner gets caught, I’m starting a riot.”

“Keep Running and Shooting, Black Man”

“He’s a black super hero ”

“Please take as many pigs wit you before they shoot you”

“Dorner if you could read this, you can stay at my pad!”

Now that he is dead, the people who were rooting for him can commiserate by using the Twitter hashtag #TeamDorner.

And then there was Jesse Jackson’s open letter to Mr. Dorner. It starts out: “Dear Christopher Dorner, I understand your feelings of hurt and pain.” I guess it’s the hurt and pain of being a black man in racist America. I wonder if Mr. Jackson sent a note to Mr. Quan about the hurt and pain of losing his daughter.

Mr. Jackson goes on to list several “good and credible” people in the Los Angeles area who will “gladly receive you.” Receive him? I’m not quite sure what that means, but it’s a funny thing about these good and credible people. They’re all black. Just a coincidence, I guess.

So here we have a race-obsessed killer, and race-obsessed Jesse Jackson, and race-obsessed black people offering the killer a place to stay—and a white police chief is reopening the investigation because white people might have done something “racist”?

We will always have crazy people in this country. But only a crazy country could believe that the problem might have been the police department and not Christopher Dorner.
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#3172067 - 02/21/13 02:32 PM Re: Chris Dorner, breaking news [Re: de novo]
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Sounds like he got the help he needed then.....
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