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#3158537 - 02/10/13 12:13 PM Why I need a better air rifle
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Because I just shot another squirrel in the 20 yard range and he dodged the BB. The squirrels in my backyard are educated and I can't even open the window without them running to the next yard. And whenever I take a longer shot, they dodge the bullet.

My gun is good and has killed a lot of squirrels. But eventually I'm gonna save up for one that shoots faster than sound... Probably a break barrel that does 1200 fps.

Anyone else shoot subsonic pellets/BBs/bullets have squirrels dodge the shot at longer ranges? My gun shoots something in the 800s if I remember correctly and I can see the BB through the scope most times. The squirrels in my yard react like lightning.
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#3158548 - 02/10/13 12:21 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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Don't forget the noise factor of the higher power rifles, not much difference in noise from them and a .22, as long as no neighbors calls the law you'll be good.
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#3158583 - 02/10/13 12:47 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: paincave_2000]
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 Originally Posted By: paincave_2000
Don't forget the noise factor of the higher power rifles, not much difference in noise from them and a .22, as long as no neighbors calls the law you'll be good.
Yeah I saw one in the store the other day that had a built in suppressor, that might be worth buying.
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#3158771 - 02/10/13 03:20 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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Spray down good with scent away before you open the window and they'll never run. squirrels got good smellers \:D
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#3158788 - 02/10/13 03:31 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: rem270]
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 Originally Posted By: rem270
Spray down good with scent away before you open the window and they'll never run. squirrels got good smellers \:D
\:D they got good ears, the darn windows like to screech when I open them, sends the squirrels flying faster than the BB out of my gun.
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#3159098 - 02/10/13 07:52 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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My nephew has 2 and they are no good.....1200+ fps with built in supressor....called the dust nitro venom something it sucks....i wouldnt own an air rifle
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#3159131 - 02/10/13 08:15 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: TN Whitetail Freak]
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 Originally Posted By: TN Whitetail Freak
.i wouldnt own an air rifle

ha.. you must not have ever shot a sho nuff air rifle.. invest in one of these puppies and youll have more fun than the law allows... I have seen guys shoot 100 yards with these... my truck wouldnt haul the pigeons I have killed in the past few years with mine.. I killed 100 one night at a local scrap dealers factory.. shoot some crow magnum pellets and you can turn one inside out.. I installed a silenced on mine and its silent but violent!!
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#3159287 - 02/10/13 10:31 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: pressfit]
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 Originally Posted By: pressfit
 Originally Posted By: TN Whitetail Freak
.i wouldnt own an air rifle

ha.. you must not have ever shot a sho nuff air rifle.. invest in one of these puppies and youll have more fun than the law allows... I have seen guys shoot 100 yards with these... my truck wouldnt haul the pigeons I have killed in the past few years with mine.. I killed 100 one night at a local scrap dealers factory.. shoot some crow magnum pellets and you can turn one inside out.. I installed a silenced on mine and its silent but violent!!
http://www.airforceairguns.com/TalonSS-s/38.htm
now that is what I need! although I might get the cops called on me carrying that around a residential area \:D
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#3160060 - 02/11/13 06:07 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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Tip. They do not sell quality airguns at your local bass pro or Walmart . Save up about 300 to 400 bucks and shoot me a message and I will help you out. Press fit has the right idea, but there are cheaper PCP's for beginners. You can come and shoot my marauder one day if you want.

Another thing, they actually make the airgun that pressfit reccomended in the Color: Blue and Red, specifically so that it will not cause a stir in a suburban setting.
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#3160428 - 02/11/13 09:40 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
Tip. They do not sell quality airguns at your local bass pro or Walmart . Save up about 300 to 400 bucks and shoot me a message and I will help you out. Press fit has the right idea, but there are cheaper PCP's for beginners. You can come and shoot my marauder one day if you want.

Another thing, they actually make the airgun that pressfit reccomended in the Color: Blue and Red, specifically so that it will not cause a stir in a suburban setting.
all I would need then is a Nerf sticker! \:D I might send you a PM about the air guns some time.
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#3160662 - 02/12/13 07:20 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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Just get you a 22 that will shoot shorts.
Get some subsonic ammo and your good to go. \:D
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#3161093 - 02/12/13 12:51 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: RUGER]
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Gamo makes a single-shot pellet rifle called the "Silent Cat" that has a suppressor chamber on the end.

Woot.com sells them refurbished periodically, and you can buy them for around 80-120 bucks. Go to their site and click on the "Sport" link for the sporting goods stuff they are selling at the moment. The items change frequently (daily sometimes), so I just check it once per day for something I'm looking for. It's a fun site.

I have no idea of quality relative to the others mentioned, but it's cheap enough to give a shot if you are in a position to try one out in the near future.
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#3161933 - 02/12/13 11:34 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Just get you a 22 that will shoot shorts.
Get some subsonic ammo and your good to go. \:D
only problem with subsonic is the squirrels dodge the bullet at longer ranges. It can be tough to get one in range, but I do manage to kill one every now and then with my pellet gun. Just got one a few days ago.
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#3189299 - 03/10/13 09:36 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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My buddy and I tried squirrel hunting around december and we were using air rifles meant for small game and we shot one squirrel about 6 times and it just kept truckin. Only using a .22 from now on or a shotgun lol
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#3189348 - 03/10/13 10:29 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: DoubleTap89]
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 Originally Posted By: DoubleTap89
My buddy and I tried squirrel hunting around december and we were using air rifles meant for small game and we shot one squirrel about 6 times and it just kept truckin. Only using a .22 from now on or a shotgun lol
was it a fox squirrel? or was the air rifle one of the lower FPS cheaper types. Head and neck shots are lethal from my gun to about 15 yards, and I had a perfect lung shot too where the squirrel ran up a tree only to fall dead 5 seconds later.
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#3190774 - 03/12/13 01:29 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: DoubleTap89
My buddy and I tried squirrel hunting around december and we were using air rifles meant for small game and we shot one squirrel about 6 times and it just kept truckin. Only using a .22 from now on or a shotgun lol
was it a fox squirrel? or was the air rifle one of the lower FPS cheaper types. Head and neck shots are lethal from my gun to about 15 yards, and I had a perfect lung shot too where the squirrel ran up a tree only to fall dead 5 seconds later.


What brand,caliber and model is the "Air rifle meant for small game" That may help us determine what the problem was. Only takes about 11-12 ft lbs to kill a squirrel.
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#3194449 - 03/16/13 02:47 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: trealtree]
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Here ya go Catman, all the air gun a man could want.

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#3195214 - 03/17/13 01:57 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: FOX FIRE]
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Just $1,300 \:D
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#3195760 - 03/18/13 05:59 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Just $1,300 \:D


Blow Guns are cheaper. \:D
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#3195996 - 03/18/13 09:49 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: Hawk]
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Fun too !!! \:\)
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#3196224 - 03/18/13 01:50 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: RUGER]
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Been thinking of taking the blowgun out to look for pigeons soon...
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#3196981 - 03/19/13 08:56 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
Been thinking of taking the blowgun out to look for pigeons soon...


Sound like fun. Be sure to make a video.
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#3197491 - 03/19/13 03:58 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: trealtree]
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I would watch out for the Gamo suppressed ones. I picked one up from academy one time to take care of some suburban squirrels and it ended up being as loud as a .22.. they called it "the quiet gun" LOL yeah right! I took it back a week later

My little nephew has like an 80$ crossman he got from walmart. It is actually decently quiet because I think it only shoots about 800fps. It also has a nice weaver mount that seemed a lot better than the Gamo I had.

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#3197733 - 03/19/13 07:54 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
Been thinking of taking the blowgun out to look for pigeons soon...


A guy I work with told me whne he practiced regular with his blow gun he could spear a fly on the wall, hes not one to be a liar so I'll take his word for it, but would like to se it done tho.
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#3197956 - 03/20/13 01:12 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: DoubleTap89
My buddy and I tried squirrel hunting around december and we were using air rifles meant for small game and we shot one squirrel about 6 times and it just kept truckin. Only using a .22 from now on or a shotgun lol
was it a fox squirrel? or was the air rifle one of the lower FPS cheaper types. Head and neck shots are lethal from my gun to about 15 yards, and I had a perfect lung shot too where the squirrel ran up a tree only to fall dead 5 seconds later.

It wasn't a fox squirrel...just a regular ole gray. The air rifle is a Crosman and I think it's 1200 fps? I may be wrong on that though but the last shot knocked him out of the tree but he just took off again!
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#3198129 - 03/20/13 09:01 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: FOX FIRE]
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 Originally Posted By: BirdDog123

My little nephew has like an 80$ crossman he got from walmart. It is actually decently quiet because I think it only shoots about 800fps. It also has a nice weaver mount that seemed a lot better than the Gamo I had.
might be the same gun I have

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 Originally Posted By: catman529
Been thinking of taking the blowgun out to look for pigeons soon...


A guy I work with told me whne he practiced regular with his blow gun he could spear a fly on the wall, hes not one to be a liar so I'll take his word for it, but would like to se it done tho.
blowgun shooting is instinctive, and you can get pretty good at it. But the range is limited to about 10 yards or so before you lose accuracy.
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#3199943 - 03/21/13 08:47 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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I bought my son the gamo 1450fps last christmas. It is pretty loud but it definatly does the job. It shot so good i went and got one for my self and this year my son has killed about a dozen squirels and only brags on his head shot kills now lol
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#3201019 - 03/22/13 07:28 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: wgmac]
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Just put a high pressure air pump in the classified section for a PCP airgun. Lets make a deal.



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#3206505 - 03/28/13 11:58 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: trealtree]
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I have a 1000 FPS Gamo .177. It kills the snot out of starlings, grackles, cowbirds, and squirrels. It is loud however, and if I didn't have cool neighbors, I would bet the thing would have gotten the law called on me. If I had it to do over, I would get a 22 cal pellet rifle that does around 800 FPS. My Dad has one, and it is a lot quieter, but kills as good if not better.
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#3238236 - 05/03/13 03:48 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: Kimberman]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimberman
I have a 1000 FPS Gamo .177. It kills the snot out of starlings, grackles, cowbirds, and squirrels. It is loud however, and if I didn't have cool neighbors, I would bet the thing would have gotten the law called on me. If I had it to do over, I would get a 22 cal pellet rifle that does around 800 FPS. My Dad has one, and it is a lot quieter, but kills as good if not better.


You're right. The reason why folks have problems with the noise is that the pellet is breaking the sound barrier. The "Silent Cat" (or any other suppressed) air guns will only silence so much while using super-sonic ammo. Read up on the pellet weight options versus velocity when buying them.

Maximum power isn't always what you want in a suburban setting \:\)
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#3243015 - 05/09/13 03:16 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: Crosshairy]
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I shoot an older Gamo 440 in .177 but when I get another one it won't be a springer. I hunt with mine all the time and no telling how many squirrels and rabbits it has taken but springers have problems PCP guns don't. If you have never shot one of the better guns, not BPS or Walmart level, you would be amazed at what they will do.

I know one guy that is shooting one that is almost $3000 that is not a typo. The Marauder is a sweet gun and is on my short list for what I get next.
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#3297976 - 07/21/13 07:07 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: FOX FIRE]
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 Originally Posted By: FOX FIRE
 Originally Posted By: catman529
Been thinking of taking the blowgun out to look for pigeons soon...


A guy I work with told me whne he practiced regular with his blow gun he could spear a fly on the wall, hes not one to be a liar so I'll take his word for it, but would like to se it done tho.
He wasn't from the mountain was he? I have a buddy that could do it.
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#3299182 - 07/22/13 08:46 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: timberjack86]
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Oh yeah, probably not so far from you, at least in the same zip code, need to bet him a Sundrop that he cant stick some to the wall in the office.
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#3300033 - 07/23/13 06:06 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: FOX FIRE]
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 Originally Posted By: FOX FIRE
Oh yeah, probably not so far from you, at least in the same zip code, need to bet him a Sundrop that he cant stick some to the wall in the office.
If its the same guy I am thinking about I wouldn't bet a sundrop \:D
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#3306329 - 07/30/13 10:15 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: rem270]
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 Originally Posted By: rem270
Spray down good with scent away before you open the window and they'll never run. squirrels got good smellers \:D

I don't know how good a nose a squirrels have . Back in the days when I smoked. I watched smoke from my cigarette drift into one that was feeding on the ground and it didn't look like it bothered him.
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#3306403 - 07/30/13 11:20 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: KPH]
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I had a blowgun when they first got popular back in the 80s.. It was the one they showed the video of guys killing wombats and stuff with. I got good enough I could hit a small plastic saucer from about 20 yards. I never hunted with it but I'm pretty sure it woulda killed a rabbit with a quickness.
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#3307178 - 07/30/13 11:38 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: HenryCohunter]
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 Originally Posted By: HenryCohunter
I had a blowgun when they first got popular back in the 80s.. It was the one they showed the video of guys killing wombats and stuff with. I got good enough I could hit a small plastic saucer from about 20 yards. I never hunted with it but I'm pretty sure it woulda killed a rabbit with a quickness.
back when I was first taking an interest in hunting (early 2010) I made a blowgun and darts. I still have one, in fact. But I did not know all the rules such as method of take, or care, as much as I do now. The first squirrel I ever killed was with a homemade blowgun, homemade dart tipped with X-acto blade, in a hickory tree in my front yard. Won't forget it... wasn't my first blowgun kill either, and don't ask what the first kill was! \:D
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#3308988 - 08/01/13 03:31 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
back when I was first taking an interest in hunting (early 2010) I made a blowgun and darts. I still have one, in fact. But I did not know all the rules such as method of take, or care, as much as I do now. The first squirrel I ever killed was with a homemade blowgun, homemade dart tipped with X-acto blade, in a hickory tree in my front yard. Won't forget it... wasn't my first blowgun kill either, and don't ask what the first kill was! \:D


Well... what was the first kill? ;\)


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#3308994 - 08/01/13 03:35 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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When I was in high school I worked at PetSmart. We had starlings that would get inside the building and fly around the place crapping everywhere. Guy I worked with used to be in the Navy and said when you are stuck on a boat for months at a time you get real good at your hobbies. He would shoot them off the rafters all the time... rarely missed. His was made out of a piece of electrical conduit, darts were paper and a picture frame nail. impressive!
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#3309727 - 08/02/13 10:43 AM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: Urban_Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
When I was in high school I worked at PetSmart. We had starlings that would get inside the building and fly around the place crapping everywhere. Guy I worked with used to be in the Navy and said when you are stuck on a boat for months at a time you get real good at your hobbies. He would shoot them off the rafters all the time... rarely missed. His was made out of a piece of electrical conduit, darts were paper and a picture frame nail. impressive!
mine is also electrical conduit. I have shot a couple of nail darts and they hit hard, go all the way up to the paper cone into drywall.
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#3322934 - 08/14/13 03:19 PM Re: Why I need a better air rifle [Re: catman529]
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One thing you have to keep in mind with current advertised air gun velocities is that they can't be compared to the old velocities. To get higher numbers the gun manufacturers have all started using much lighter pellets. The guns aren't really any more powerful than before. You could see this when suddenly the very same brand and model jumped 200+fps from one year to the next.
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