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#3158125 - 02/10/13 01:09 AM 26 inches in deductions....
catman529
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I put a tape to the skull I picked up (see here). Am I reading this correctly - is the gross score 144 3/8? If so, I don't think that includes the abnormal points (8 5/8 Line E). Not sure if that should be added to the subtotal to get the gross score. The final score has 26 inches of deductions. I don't care for nets unless I am fishing... The rack grossed in the mid 140's.



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#3158186 - 02/10/13 06:53 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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gross score is total inches of bone with no deductions
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#3158311 - 02/10/13 08:38 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: nate17]
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I score all mine using the the btr system.. It gives credit for what the rack scores as a whole and doesn't make you score based on the symmetry system like Boone and Crockett requires.
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#3158391 - 02/10/13 09:56 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: lpo1981]
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It grossed 153 with the extra points.
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#3158403 - 02/10/13 10:00 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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dont worry about the deductions catman,imo gross is all that matters
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#3158900 - 02/10/13 04:50 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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If you dont like the B%c system,why use it?Or why bother?
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#3158940 - 02/10/13 05:19 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
If you dont like the B%c system,why use it?Or why bother?
I like the system just not the deductions. I also like to use their online calculator... Makes it easy.
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#3159021 - 02/10/13 06:51 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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nice rack.lots of character
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#3159040 - 02/10/13 07:12 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
If you dont like the B%c system,why use it?Or why bother?
I like the system just not the deductions. I also like to use their online calculator... Makes it easy.
yes,but its part of the system,right or wrong,I think Jackie Bushman has some other system,but Ive never looked at it.
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#3159054 - 02/10/13 07:25 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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I like the point system myself. If its got 4 on one side and 5 on the other I got a 9 point. Heck of a find there Cat, appears to be a 12 point?
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#3159078 - 02/10/13 07:38 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
If you dont like the B%c system,why use it?Or why bother?
I like the system just not the deductions. I also like to use their online calculator... Makes it easy.
yes,but its part of the system,right or wrong,I think Jackie Bushman has some other system,but Ive never looked at it.
I don't know what your problem is but I don't have a problem using the B&C and looking at the gross score. Most people think in terms of the B&C system when they think of a deer score, so I use that system that people are most familiar with.
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#3159081 - 02/10/13 07:40 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: geezer]
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 Originally Posted By: geezer
I like the point system myself. If its got 4 on one side and 5 on the other I got a 9 point. Heck of a find there Cat, appears to be a 12 point?
it's a 13, 7 on right and 6 on left. There is a sticker at the base of the right antler.
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#3159498 - 02/11/13 08:40 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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I dont have a problem,dont care if you even score it or not,But the title of this thread is 26 inches of deductions.Which is part of the system.
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#3159524 - 02/11/13 09:01 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
I dont have a problem,dont care if you even score it or not,But the title of this thread is 26 inches of deductions.Which is part of the system.
yes and it's the part of the system I don't care for unless you are scoring a symmetrical rack and want symmetry to affect the score. Non typical freaks don't need deductions for asymmetry IMO. So I just use the system and look at the gross score. I still don't see the point you are trying to make.
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#3159527 - 02/11/13 09:06 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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Once again,its part of the system,"that you dont care for".I guess it doesnt really matter,just curious that it seems like people adjust the system to get the highest number.Score it however you like.
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#3159543 - 02/11/13 09:21 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: geezer]
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you need to charge your phone.
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#3159557 - 02/11/13 09:39 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Once again,its part of the system,"that you dont care for".I guess it doesnt really matter,just curious that it seems like people adjust the system to get the highest number.Score it however you like.
of course I want the higher score, the one that measures total inches of antlers and not symmetry, what is your problem with it? Because if you didn't have a problem you wouldn't have said anything.
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#3159687 - 02/11/13 11:33 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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nice find, did you know that he was in your area?
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#3159712 - 02/11/13 11:52 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Once again,its part of the system,"that you dont care for".I guess it doesnt really matter,just curious that it seems like people adjust the system to get the highest number.Score it however you like.
of course I want the higher score, the one that measures total inches of antlers and not symmetry, what is your problem with it? Because if you didn't have a problem you wouldn't have said anything.
Ok,then I guess my "problem" is,if your gonna use B@C,then use their rules,if not try the Jackie Bushman thing.
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#3159742 - 02/11/13 12:14 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Once again,its part of the system,"that you dont care for".I guess it doesnt really matter,just curious that it seems like people adjust the system to get the highest number.Score it however you like.
of course I want the higher score, the one that measures total inches of antlers and not symmetry, what is your problem with it? Because if you didn't have a problem you wouldn't have said anything.
Ok,then I guess my "problem" is,if your gonna use B@C,then use their rules,if not try the Jackie Bushman thing.
why do you care if I follow the B&C rules? I'm not trying to get in the books or anything, just scoring a rack that I found. And I do follow the rules of the system, gross score doesn't break any rules, it just makes some people mad because they don't have a 150 class non typical on their place ;\)
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#3159751 - 02/11/13 12:25 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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I don't know the history of this rack in conjunction with where you hunt. I also don't know that of the non-typical rack you found and posted pics of earlier. Just putting those 2 racks side by side and assuming you hunt that area I'd say you need to consider passing on some of the smaller bucks you're killing in that area if you have that kind of genetics in the local deer population. I'd rather lay one down than to find him afterwards. Just a thought and nice find...
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#3159787 - 02/11/13 12:58 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
I don't know the history of this rack in conjunction with where you hunt. I also don't know that of the non-typical rack you found and posted pics of earlier. Just putting those 2 racks side by side and assuming you hunt that area I'd say you need to consider passing on some of the smaller bucks you're killing in that area if you have that kind of genetics in the local deer population. I'd rather lay one down than to find him afterwards. Just a thought and nice find...
I killed 2 bucks off this property, one was 5.5 and the other was 3.5. Passed a couple young bucks too. I won't kill a buck out here unless its 3.5+. The does, I love killing em big or small, but I do like the old ones, they will bust you every time.
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#3159887 - 02/11/13 02:23 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: geezer]
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Nice find cat!! You sure have the "nose" for it!! Phewwwww \:D
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#3159896 - 02/11/13 02:36 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
If you dont like the B%c system,why use it?Or why bother?
the kid just can't do right by you can he?
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#3159905 - 02/11/13 02:56 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: in the dog house!]
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 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
Nice find cat!! You sure have the "nose" for it!! Phewwwww \:D
yeah it's a bit ripe! Lol. It's under a storage bin under the deck to "brew" a bit more before I boil it.
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#3160074 - 02/11/13 06:15 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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In the B/C or P/Y scoring world, all deer are scored as typicals to begin with. Be it a main frame 6,8,10 or what ever main frame. Then each side is scored,along with inside spread,which gives you a gross score. Then the sides are deducted against each other for symmetry. This gives the final net score as far as typical goes. IF he is considered a non-typ, then you add the abnormal points back to his NET score, and this gives you his final Non-Typ score. Really, there is no gross score for a non typ. Either way, once again, what a deer. Glad you did find him, and at least he didnt die in vain.

Edited by tickweed (02/11/13 06:16 PM)
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#3160402 - 02/11/13 09:21 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: tickweed]
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 Originally Posted By: tickweed
Then the sides are deducted against each other for symmetry. This gives the final net score as far as typical goes. IF he is considered a non-typ, then you add the abnormal points back to his NET score, and this gives you his final Non-Typ score. Really, there is no gross score for a non typ.


And that is why I use what I call a "gross-gross" non-typical B&C score. In essence, no earlier deductions as the true B&C system uses. With typicals, I just use the official gross score. But for non-typicals, I use a gross-gross score (not for recordbook entry but for biological purposes--how many inches of antler did the buck grow). Although the B&C system isn't a perfect measuring system (for biological purposes), it is 1) good enough as long as gross scores are used; and 2) understood by enough hunters that they can create a mental image of a rack when hearing the gross score.
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#3160421 - 02/11/13 09:37 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: tickweed
Then the sides are deducted against each other for symmetry. This gives the final net score as far as typical goes. IF he is considered a non-typ, then you add the abnormal points back to his NET score, and this gives you his final Non-Typ score. Really, there is no gross score for a non typ.


And that is why I use what I call a "gross-gross" non-typical B&C score. In essence, no earlier deductions as the true B&C system uses. With typicals, I just use the official gross score. But for non-typicals, I use a gross-gross score (not for recordbook entry but for biological purposes--how many inches of antler did the buck grow). Although the B&C system isn't a perfect measuring system (for biological purposes), it is 1) good enough as long as gross scores are used; and 2) understood by enough hunters that they can create a mental image of a rack when hearing the gross score.
#2 is exactly why I use the B&C system. And also because it has a handy calculator on the website. \:D

For a Williamson county bottomland 3.5 year old, is this rack average or above average? If you have the data on that.
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#3160456 - 02/11/13 09:57 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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Above average if he's 3.5 and grosses 150+...I'd guess an average Nashville basin buck at 3.5 would be between 110-120 but that's just my observations over the years.

Edited by Hollar Hunter (02/11/13 10:29 PM)
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#3160462 - 02/11/13 10:01 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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lol 150 probably isnt even average for WI at 3.5
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#3160476 - 02/11/13 10:12 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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Question for BSK.

How would you measure the 2nd 3rd and 4th points on the right antler if you were measuring for typical only?All coming off the main beam? Or all 3 coming off of the G2?

My thoughts is they all dont come off the main beam.

If this would be the correct way to measure it then the circumfrance measurements would be considerably less.
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#3160509 - 02/11/13 10:59 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Mr.Bro]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr.Bro
Question for BSK.

How would you measure the 2nd 3rd and 4th points on the right antler if you were measuring for typical only?All coming off the main beam? Or all 3 coming off of the G2?

My thoughts is they all dont come off the main beam.

If this would be the correct way to measure it then the circumfrance measurements would be considerably less.
my thoughts are those points all come off the main beam, but from the same origin, with lots of palmation in between, kind of like a frog's foot. But I'm not an official scorer. I will definitely measure that mass though \:D
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#3160511 - 02/11/13 11:01 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
Above average if he's 3.5 and grosses 150+...I'd guess an average Nashville basin buck at 3.5 would be between 110-120 but that's just my observations over the years.
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lol 150 probably isnt even average for WI at 3.5
yeah some of these bucks have me brain washed, I guess 150s gross is a bit above average...

my 3.5 year old buck that I killed on november 16 was average, green grossed 112"
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#3160668 - 02/12/13 07:24 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
Above average if he's 3.5 and grosses 150+...I'd guess an average Nashville basin buck at 3.5 would be between 110-120 but that's just my observations over the years.
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lol 150 probably isnt even average for WI at 3.5
yeah some of these bucks have me brain washed, I guess 150s gross is a bit above average...

my 3.5 year old buck that I killed on november 16 was average, green grossed 112"



Way above average! I didn't see his teeth did you post them and get 3.5 as the consensus?
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#3160751 - 02/12/13 08:35 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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Gross score is really all I care about as Im not worried about how perfect a deer is side to side!
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#3160825 - 02/12/13 09:42 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
For a Williamson county bottomland 3.5 year old, is this rack average or above average? If you have the data on that.


153 gross-gross non-typical is above average for any age-class anywhere in America. I've been exchanging data with a manager that manages trophy properties in one of the top big-buck areas of IL, and from his data, the average fully mature buck in this top-quality environment (some of the best in the whitetails entire range) averages in the mid 140s gross.
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#3160843 - 02/12/13 09:59 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
 Originally Posted By: catman529
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Above average if he's 3.5 and grosses 150+...I'd guess an average Nashville basin buck at 3.5 would be between 110-120 but that's just my observations over the years.
 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
lol 150 probably isnt even average for WI at 3.5
yeah some of these bucks have me brain washed, I guess 150s gross is a bit above average...

my 3.5 year old buck that I killed on november 16 was average, green grossed 112"



Way above average! I didn't see his teeth did you post them and get 3.5 as the consensus?
haven't posted yet, the jaws are still stuck to the skull with rotted meat, lol.... I looked at em though and they look like 3.5 or possibly 4.5.

 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: catman529
For a Williamson county bottomland 3.5 year old, is this rack average or above average? If you have the data on that.


153 gross-gross non-typical is above average for any age-class anywhere in America. I've been exchanging data with a manager that manages trophy properties in one of the top big-buck areas of IL, and from his data, the average fully mature buck in this top-quality environment (some of the best in the whitetails entire range) averages in the mid 140s gross.
that's interesting. Too bad this one died this year, could have been a hoss next season that I could have had a chance to put an arrow into...
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#3160869 - 02/12/13 10:10 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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I'd bet he's 4.5
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#3160939 - 02/12/13 11:00 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
I'd bet he's 4.5
when I looked it just didn't seem to be enough wear on the molars for 4.5. Will update of course whenever I pull the jaws. right now it's "brewing" under the deck
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#3160943 - 02/12/13 11:02 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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If you got a pressure washer or access to one you could help that process along a great deal!
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#3160960 - 02/12/13 11:10 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
If you got a pressure washer or access to one you could help that process along a great deal!
yeah I have heard of that for doing euros. but I want to be careful with the nose bones, don't want to break em. the nose has "melted" onto the bones and I want it to rot its way off... also I had to pry the skull off the spine, so the spinal cord and brain are still intact. rather let the bugs go to work for a while, than have rotted brains sprayed all over me. \:D
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#3160987 - 02/12/13 11:30 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
If you got a pressure washer or access to one you could help that process along a great deal!
yeah I have heard of that for doing euros. but I want to be careful with the nose bones, don't want to break em. the nose has "melted" onto the bones and I want it to rot its way off... also I had to pry the skull off the spine, so the spinal cord and brain are still intact. rather let the bugs go to work for a while, than have rotted brains sprayed all over me. \:D


Where's the fun in that? \:D
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#3160992 - 02/12/13 11:32 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Hollar Hunter
If you got a pressure washer or access to one you could help that process along a great deal!
yeah I have heard of that for doing euros. but I want to be careful with the nose bones, don't want to break em. the nose has "melted" onto the bones and I want it to rot its way off... also I had to pry the skull off the spine, so the spinal cord and brain are still intact. rather let the bugs go to work for a while, than have rotted brains sprayed all over me. \:D


Where's the fun in that? \:D
the insects will have a LOT of fun for me. \:D
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#3161020 - 02/12/13 11:52 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
If you dont like the B%c system,why use it?Or why bother?
the kid just can't do right by you can he?

I was thinking the same....

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#3162006 - 02/13/13 06:32 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: geezer]
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A 150 inch grossing buck (free ranging public land) is a buck that most of us will never even see, let alone kill. And this includes ALL hunters all over America.

Amazes me how many times people throw out the 150 inch mark like it is a common thing.

And in Tennessee, a 150 inch buck is truly an exception.

Catman, that is a BEAUTY!!!
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#3162129 - 02/13/13 08:35 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
A 150 inch grossing buck (free ranging public land) is a buck that most of us will never even see, let alone kill. And this includes ALL hunters all over America.


I would definitely agree with that, at least for hunters in the Southeast (south of KY). Most will never see with their own eyes while hunting a 150+ gross buck. Now on trail-camera (at night) or way off in some soybean field in summer, maybe.
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#3162874 - 02/13/13 06:22 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
A 150 inch grossing buck (free ranging public land) is a buck that most of us will never even see, let alone kill. And this includes ALL hunters all over America.

Amazes me how many times people throw out the 150 inch mark like it is a common thing.

And in Tennessee, a 150 inch buck is truly an exception.

Catman, that is a BEAUTY!!!
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Very true. Most wont see a 140 gross, much less 150. Well stated!
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#3163388 - 02/14/13 05:04 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: tickweed]
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BSK,
I wish I were more adept at this computer posting images thing. I have hours and hours of raw video of deer. I even have a MONSTER 200 inch category buck...at a distance, in a bean field, in the late summer. In velvet. He is probably the largest live buck I have ever seen.

He was just North of Ky.

In 30 plus years of bowhunting in the SE, I have seen exactly ONE buck that gross scored over 150 (we all know where that buck is now).

As soon as I ventured North of Ky., where average antler class per age grew, things got better for antler score.

And still, on PUBLIC land, 150's are very rare!

So I have concluded, in MOST cases, that antler size has nothing to do with hunter skill or ability level. NOTHING!

It has EVERYTHING to do with a hunters geographic location.

While this does sound a little harsh, the exception is when you have a hunter who is consistently killing older age class bucks carrying large antlers (per that geographic area) no matter where they hunt.

And in order to do this, for all but the wealthiest of us, this usually means public land as few could afford to hunt privately owned land for yearly hunts in multiple states (locations).

And to do this on public land in multiple states, (which is what more of us could afford) consistently, year after year (or every other) is extremely difficult.

(Wouldn't you agree Winchester???)
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#3164078 - 02/14/13 03:40 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
So I have concluded, in MOST cases, that antler size has nothing to do with hunter skill or ability level. NOTHING!

It has EVERYTHING to do with a hunters geographic location.


Completely agree with you 102. In fact, I know of one general location in TN where seeing 150+ (or very close to it) bucks in late summer beanfields is not that uncommon. But besided that one general location, seeing a 150+ anywhere in TN is pretty darn rare.

These images (poor quality due to being stripped from very long-range video) or from the area of Tn I mentioned above. I don't know what the guy on the right scores, but he's a stud. I've seen quite a few bucks of this size in this one area:





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#3164188 - 02/14/13 05:35 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: BSK]
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I see quite a few 140's in the basin every year driving around looking at bucks during the summer waiting on season but there certainly is a BIG BIG drop off when you start talking about 150+ bucks. I do believe that spot above has seen a lot of development in the past few years. Does it still hold them like it use to?

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#3164308 - 02/14/13 07:30 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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BSK-that deer on the right is huge! I bet hunters would be shocked at how many 150+ deer dwell in the TN nights. I definately don't think anyone should expect to kill one but they are out there.

In your opinion (maybe you have coller data on this) what are those monster bucks doing in the day? It's amazing how they can just "disappear"
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#3164329 - 02/14/13 07:46 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
BSK-that deer on the right is huge! I bet hunters would be shocked at how many 150+ deer dwell in the TN nights. I definately don't think anyone should expect to kill one but they are out there.

In your opinion (maybe you have coller data on this) what are those monster bucks doing in the day? It's amazing how they can just "disappear"
my guess is they are bedded in thickets and watching you walk by or slipping out before you can see them.
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#3164359 - 02/14/13 08:16 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: catman529]
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I agree, there may be a few in spots,but I will never believe there are many anywhere. As for the deer on the right, he is a stud. You have to be where a 150 is to take one. Killing one isnt hard at all, getting the opportunity, the few seconds it takes is what is almost impossible. Believe me, I can tell you all about it.

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#3164369 - 02/14/13 08:27 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: tickweed]
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 Originally Posted By: tickweed
I agree, there may be a few in spots,but I will never believe there are many anywhere. As for the deer on the right, he is a stud. You have to be where a 150 is to take one. Killing one isnt hard at all, getting the opportunity, the few seconds it takes is what is almost impossible. Believe me, I can tell you all about it.


Yeah.. getting lucky enough to actually see one in the stand is one thing.. seeing one in the right situation is a true rarity.
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#3164375 - 02/14/13 08:34 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
 Originally Posted By: tickweed
I agree, there may be a few in spots,but I will never believe there are many anywhere. As for the deer on the right, he is a stud. You have to be where a 150 is to take one. Killing one isnt hard at all, getting the opportunity, the few seconds it takes is what is almost impossible. Believe me, I can tell you all about it.


Yeah.. getting lucky enough to actually see one in the stand is one thing.. seeing one in the right situation is a true rarity.


I was thinking back on it. In 16 yrs of deer hunting ive seen 2 deer better than 150 with a weapon in my hand in Tennessee.

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#3164387 - 02/14/13 08:45 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: nate17]
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I've seen one while hunting (I'm only 17 so I am blessed to have already even seen one) You've seen the pic Nate. Couldve killed that deer but I had my 30-30 and he was standing right in front of me at 300yrds broadside
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#3164513 - 02/14/13 10:56 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
I've seen one while hunting (I'm only 17 so I am blessed to have already even seen one) You've seen the pic Nate. Couldve killed that deer but I had my 30-30 and he was standing right in front of me at 300yrds broadside
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#3164749 - 02/15/13 08:58 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Hollar Hunter]
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I see quite a few 140's in the basin every year driving around looking at bucks during the summer waiting on season but there certainly is a BIG BIG drop off when you start talking about 150+ bucks.


Not only is there a big drop over 150 in the Basin (which is where that video was shot), but move out of the Basin and the number of 150+ bucks drops VERY dramatically. The Basin grows huge bucks because of the soils and habitat. Most areas outside of the Basin have much poorer soils and habitat, hence same-age bucks don't grow as large of antlers. Although, to be honest, areas down in Lawrence and adjoining counties is coming on strong for very large-antlered bucks, which is still technically in the Basin, but outside the "traditional" areas for huge bucks.


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I do believe that spot above has seen a lot of development in the past few years. Does it still hold them like it use to?


Yup, see them every year. In fact, while helping run some of the thermal imaging work the TWRA was doing, I saw some real monsters at night. But again, primarily in the Basin (those areas with a perfect mix of soils, agriculture, and sanctuary from hunting pressure that allows bucks to age).
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#3164759 - 02/15/13 09:03 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
Couldve killed that deer but I had my 30-30 and he was standing right in front of me at 300yrds broadside


And that's usually the way it works! Those posted images are fuzzy because that video was shot at full zoom with a 45-power optical lens! Those bucks were waaaaaaay out there...
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#3164771 - 02/15/13 09:14 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Master Chief]
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BSK-that deer on the right is huge! I bet hunters would be shocked at how many 150+ deer dwell in the TN nights. I definately don't think anyone should expect to kill one but they are out there.


Once they start running trail-cameras, most hunters are shocked by "what is really out there" but only moving at night (or easily able to avoid hunters). Now 150+ bucks are rare, but they exist, and there are probably more of them than hunters would believe. Even in the poorer habitat of the Highland Rim, I usually find a near 150 buck on camera just about anywhere I run cameras in that region. But usually, just one out of all the bucks caught on camera. The exception to this rule is anywhere in the Highland Rim near one of the major river bottomlands, like along the Duck and Buffalo rivers. I have a client near the Duck River in Hickman County, and on about 800 acres, he had pictures of at least 5 bucks that would push the 150 mark this last year. The difference on his place is, hundreds of acres of soybean fields, and little hunting pressure.


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In your opinion (maybe you have coller data on this) what are those monster bucks doing in the day? It's amazing how they can just "disappear"


First, they are highly nocturnal. Second, they have learned to quickly pattern hunters and during daylight are avoiding the areas where hunters do most of their hunting. Old, wary, hunted deer are amazingly adapt at finding the "holes" in human hunting pressure, and focusing their daylight activities into just these areas.

Dr. Mark Conner has some really cool GPS-collar data from the DelMarVa Penninsula showing the daylight movement of older bucks. These daylight GPS positions, when displayed on a map, have big "holes" in them (areas the older bucks are avoiding during daylight). And what's at the center of each of these holes? A treestand.
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#3164928 - 02/15/13 11:24 AM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

And what's at the center of each of these holes? A treestand.


That's pretty cool and somewhat hard to accept.

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#3165053 - 02/15/13 01:03 PM Re: 26 inches in deductions.... [Re: Outdoor Enthusiast]
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Very interesting info BSK, thanks for sharing.

I think the duck river bottom does hold some monsters but none that I have seen with my eyes yet. I have heard of 3 different "monster bucks" being killed on Yanahli in Maury co. in the past couple years... one I know was a 160 class, the other two I don't know but I do know the areas each deer was killed from... I'm no expert in soil but it does appear to be rich soil very similar to the harpeth/cumberland river area down by the duck and its tributaries. but the thought of a 150+ deer coming from public land an hour away from my house is kind of exciting, even though most people could hunt their whole life there and never see one, it's cool that those deer do come up now and then. I would be happy just to kill a 3.5 y/o or older buck from the WMA, knowing how smart they are and I have only killed yearling bucks and doe down there.
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