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#3156099 - 02/08/13 11:01 AM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: OHVATN]
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I think I read somewhere that the tax that the colonist's were upset about was somewhere around 2%.... Yeah, 2 percent!
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#3156263 - 02/08/13 01:18 PM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: sds1961
 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
nodog, what exactly are you trying to say?


I think what nodog is saying is that the British and the Tories or loyalists in the colonies at the time would have viewed the participants in the Boston Tea Party as terrorists, while those in the colonies opposed to the British (and us Americans today) would view them as freedom fighters or "patriots."

In other words, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Indeed, DHS is increasingly viewing staunch conservatives, libertarians, and the like as "right wing extremists" which is only a short hop, skip, and a jump to "terrorists."

Now, as pertains to this TX school book controversy, I have no idea what in the world the Boston Tea Party, terrorists/freedom fighters, etc. have to do with socialism, communism, etc. We need to be careful jumping to conclusions based on a news story (even if it is from a source we may respect) since this may only be a lesson to show what I pointed out above - one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. I'm sure the Nazi's viewed the French Resistance as terrorists.


The students were forced to design a Communist Flag...but as you stated, one man's Progressivism is another man's Communism.
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#3156437 - 02/08/13 03:42 PM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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Or one man's Progressivism is another man's Fascism.
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#3156468 - 02/08/13 04:08 PM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: Hangnail]
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 Originally Posted By: Hangnail
nodog, what exactly are you trying to say?

I think I said it, read the history around the event from both perspectives. For starters ask why dress as Indians?

Why should I give away what cost me to learn to people who really don't care?

The stamp act was the cause for the tea party, what was that about and why was it enacted? Why were the citizens of Britain paying as much as 26% tax supporting the troops here that protected the colonies from Indian attack when the people here refused to pay any?

Why was the stamp act even a suggested as a way of generating money and why was it needed? Why oh why is there in our constitution a prohibition against forced housing of troops? The third amendment.





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#3156478 - 02/08/13 04:19 PM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: sds1961
[quote=Hangnail]nodog, what exactly are you trying to say?


I think what nodog is saying is that the British and the Tories or loyalists in the colonies at the time would have viewed the participants in the Boston Tea Party as terrorists,


What Britain was attempting to do was cut the legs out from under those who refused to support the troops. Bootlegging was rampant and the stamp act was an attempt to circumvent the black market. The whole purpose for British troops was to protect the colonies from attack. Prove they weren't doing it and the bulk of the people would join the bootleggers. At least that was the thinking. Have Indians enter the harbor (the heart of British protection) and the people would question their worth.
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#3156543 - 02/08/13 05:29 PM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: nodog]
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nodog, I might not recall correctly, but I thought the Boston tea party was a protest against the Tea Act that imposed a tax on tea while the stamp act was a tax on documents. In any event, from the British perspective the taxes were, as you point out, to pay for not only frontier protection and to reimburse for the French & Indian or Seven Years War against France. That is how Britain got Canada. For a long while Canadiens were not as friendly toward Americans as today. We invade Canada twice.

By the way, are you familiar with the Great Toledo War where Michigan and Ohio went to war over Ohio and Ohio lost. :).
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#3157055 - 02/09/13 06:24 AM Re: Boston Tea Party was Terrorist Act [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: sds1961
nodog, I might not recall correctly, but I thought the Boston tea party was a protest against the Tea Act that imposed a tax on tea while the stamp act was a tax on documents. In any event, from the British perspective the taxes were, as you point out, to pay for not only frontier protection and to reimburse for the French & Indian or Seven Years War against France. That is how Britain got Canada. For a long while Canadiens were not as friendly toward Americans as today. We invade Canada twice.

By the way, are you familiar with the Great Toledo War where Michigan and Ohio went to war over Ohio and Ohio lost. :).

Yep we tried to take Canada, wondered for a long time if that isn't still the reason there's some bad blood between us and them even though most don't know why there's bad blood, they just know there must be some reason for it.

AS I read it the tea in the harbor was to be sold for less than what the bootleggers were selling there's for (not taxed if I remember). Dressing as an Indian was suppose to prove the troops were not doing there job and therefore not worth being supported, The tactic of dressin as Indians and committing crimes to cause troubled times was used more than once and those who did it despicable. Southern Ohio had a time that was done, many innocent people were slaughtered, it had the desired effect.

In this thread making mention of the B tea party the people have been given a prod to look into it to find the truth of the matter. It's natural that we here should only get one side of the story, but there's always 2. Some thing else, the people involved in the tea party were politicians, think on that. I'm all for support the cause, but I don't like to be used by one. Ya know, the Idea of communism is what you have is mine, there are many ways to make that happen all using a government to do it. Our Founder, A. Hamilton stated clearly this land was here for the wealthy to make money off of it, that was the government saying that, the tea party patrons. I think we all hate being used.

LOL I know that one too well. \:\) Were still paying for it. Why it was never named Little Detroit officially I don't understand. \:\)


Edited by nodog (02/09/13 06:38 AM)
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