#3152833 - 02/05/13 01:19 PM
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Just might have. I'm not at all comfortable with aging from tooth wear either, but dang they look pretty worn to me.
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#3152835 - 02/05/13 01:19 PM
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You will have to ask Noah. I am pretty sure that on was on the Ark!
I would call it 6+
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#3152850 - 02/05/13 01:27 PM
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She was definately an old deer.
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#3152859 - 02/05/13 01:38 PM
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who knows... ive aged deer up to 7.5 that weren't that worn. Its all a guessing game at this point.
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#3152875 - 02/05/13 01:52 PM
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Ive never seen teeth that worn...thats an old doe
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#3152900 - 02/05/13 02:17 PM
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She was the wet nurse to a buck Moses killed!
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#3152923 - 02/05/13 02:44 PM
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Im sure exposure has made them look worse but shes and old lady regardless!
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#3152967 - 02/05/13 03:33 PM
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Im sure exposure has made them look worse but shes and old lady regardless! only thing exposure does is lightens the color of the dentine. Her 1st molars are worn completely flat and smooth and are almost gone down to the bone. It makes the jaws from my 5 1/2 year old look like a yearling.
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#3153300 - 02/05/13 08:29 PM
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Old....like 8+ old, my BIL has a set from one that he killed this past year that every tooth is almost worn down to the gum line in a straight line.
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#3153429 - 02/05/13 11:42 PM
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It's an old doe, that's all I can tell you. But great find! I've tried to go shed hunting here where I live, and have NEVER found a one
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#3153439 - 02/06/13 12:14 AM
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It's an old doe, that's all I can tell you. But great find! I've tried to go shed hunting here where I live, and have NEVER found a one gotta be where the bucks are I guess... some places are covered in deer sign but no sheds, others have lots of sheds. Keep looking and don't look for a whole antler, just look for a tine or part of a beam hidden by vegetation.
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#3153624 - 02/06/13 09:26 AM
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Im sure exposure has made them look worse but shes and old lady regardless! only thing exposure does is lightens the color of the dentine. Her 1st molars are worn completely flat and smooth and are almost gone down to the bone. It makes the jaws from my 5 1/2 year old look like a yearling. Exactly my point, the bleached white color makes it look even worse than it really is, which is an old doe no doubt.
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#3154689 - 02/07/13 07:51 AM
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#3154756 - 02/07/13 08:49 AM
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#3154777 - 02/07/13 09:07 AM
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come on y'all she has to be at least 56. Look at how worn down those teeth are
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#3154780 - 02/07/13 09:09 AM
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come on y'all she has to be at least 56. Look at how worn down those teeth are
Those teeth are just worn down because she chewed on her pipe all the time. She was really very young, but she had a rough life making her look much older. I am betting the meth didn't help much either, it really wears on the teeth!
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#3154799 - 02/07/13 09:29 AM
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come on y'all she has to be at least 56. Look at how worn down those teeth are Those teeth are just worn down because she chewed on her pipe all the time. She was really very young, but she had a rough life making her look much older. I am betting the meth didn't help much either, it really wears on the teeth! dang it sucks when you have a good deer go downhill and become a meth head
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#3155029 - 02/07/13 01:11 PM
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#3155653 - 02/07/13 09:41 PM
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If you can get the jaw to me and let me have a few of the teeth I can send it in to Matsons for cementum annuli testing. I don't think I've ever seen any jaw as worn as that.
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#3155656 - 02/07/13 09:46 PM
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If you can get the jaw to me and let me have a few of the teeth I can send it in to Matsons for cementum annuli testing. I don't think I've ever seen any jaw as worn as that. can you age the cementum off teeth from the top (skull)? I have all 8 incisors intact and will glue the whole jawbone together including the incisors so I don't want to spare any lower teeth. I would love to see a more accurate result on the deer's age. Can the cementum layers still be seen and read accurately after the deer has rotted away to the bone?
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#3155737 - 02/07/13 11:47 PM
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If you can get the jaw to me and let me have a few of the teeth I can send it in to Matsons for cementum annuli testing. I don't think I've ever seen any jaw as worn as that. What a nice offer. Do we have the best WROs or what?
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#3155739 - 02/07/13 11:48 PM
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If you can get the jaw to me and let me have a few of the teeth I can send it in to Matsons for cementum annuli testing. I don't think I've ever seen any jaw as worn as that. What a nice offer. Do we have the best WROs or what? BGG is a great guy as are many of the TWRA people.
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#3157078 - 02/09/13 07:10 AM
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I'll need to check with Matsons to see what teeth they would need. You may have to remind me because I'm pretty busy next week with numerous meetings, Commission, and NWTF.
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#3157154 - 02/09/13 08:31 AM
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No rush, let me know whenever you find out.
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#3157157 - 02/09/13 08:36 AM
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No rush, let me know whenever you find out.
It's almost as though you're doing him a favor.
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#3157185 - 02/09/13 09:32 AM
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No rush, let me know whenever you find out. It's almost as though you're doing him a favor. what you mean?
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