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#3149205 - 02/02/13 02:49 PM Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0
brianZ7
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Alright so I'm new at this. Just had the landowner that I hunt on agree to alow me to try and establish some clover in 1/2 acre. I have read some of the other posts and it has been helpful. I want to do a soil test. Should I use a store bought, do it yourself, send off, other suggestions? The field currently has grass, fairly thin that I plan to rake/thatch to get all the dead out of it. I can not till or spray any herbicide. I plan to frost seed towards the end of this month or first of march. Will Durana work? and will chicory frost seed as well? As far as lime, what will give me the best results this late in the game? Liquid lime, pulverized, pellets? I will use a broadcaster that I will tow behing the ATV. And fertilizer, when should it go down in this case? Shoud I wait for the lime to work a bit and/or when the clover starts to establish? Just as everyone else I want my efforts to be realized come time for the bow to come out. Thanks for your input and any further suggestions.

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#3149222 - 02/02/13 03:18 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: brianZ7]
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For the soil test I would send it off through your local co-op, be sure to let them know that you are planning on planting clover so they can tailor the recommendations for that planting. The results of the soil test should tell you how much lime is needed - for only a half acre you could get away with pelletized lime, larger plots I always suggest ag lime due to the cheaper cost when you buy it bulk. For fertilizer, I'd go with a low nitrogen fertilizer at planting (such as 6-24-24) and then once it is established use a zero nitrogen fertilizer (0-20-20) once or twice a year.

I haven't tried a clover planting in the spring, mine was done as a fall planting, but I know guys on here that have had success with planting it in the spring.

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#3149244 - 02/02/13 03:51 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: tn droptine]
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Chickory will frost seed. I have no experience frost seeding durana but im fixing too. I get my soil samples done at the local ag extention office. When the clover starts i always use 0-20-20 fertilizer.
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#3149353 - 02/02/13 05:39 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: muddyboots]
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I planted a 3/4 acre plot this past fall in Durana and some rye. My soil was very acidic and I used the pelletized lime. The durana is only about 2" tall right now but I expect it to take off this spring. This plot gets very little sun and I'm sure the soil is still too acidic. Probably couldn't use too much lime. I just frost seeded some Chickasaw clover to hopefully fill it in a bit. I'm new to this as well. That being said the Durana has done quite well considering the sub-optimal conditions. I would be a little concerned however about not spraying it to kill off the native grass/weeds. Can you burn it?
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#3149576 - 02/02/13 08:32 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: GOODWIN]
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 Originally Posted By: GOODWIN
Can you burn it?

I just started hunting this property last fall and I am still trying to get to know the owner and build a relationship. He has some apple trees he is trying to get started in the field so I dont think he would go for me burning or spraying. i was there today and noticed alot of the grass has died off for the winter. I raked the grass a little and there was a good amount of dirt exposed once i raked the dead out.


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#3149800 - 02/03/13 07:10 AM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: brianZ7]
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Hate to tell you,but grass will be your biggest problem.I spray around my fruit trees all the time,with no ill effects.
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#3149847 - 02/03/13 08:11 AM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Hate to tell you,but grass will be your biggest problem.I spray around my fruit trees all the time,with no ill effects.


Yes. i wouldn't spend the $$$ on Durana seed, lime and fertilizer if you couldn't kill the weeds and native grasses.

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#3149985 - 02/03/13 11:27 AM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: GOODWIN]
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Yeah, didn't read the part about not being able to till or spray herbicides - grasses are hard to combat against without being able to spray. Hard to spend any amount of money without being able to properly combat the weeds and grasses, plus any fertilizer that you put out is going to benefit them just as much as it would the clover.
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#3150106 - 02/03/13 02:04 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: tn droptine]
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I figured I would get the concern about not being able to spray. The situation is that there is nothing at all in the field that the deer are attracted too. I was hoping that with mowing reguarly, weekly even, I could give the clover a chance to establish their roots. Will I get any results at all? If I was to have 40% results compared to herbicide I would be happy. This would encourage the deer to use the field more than before, right?
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#3150609 - 02/03/13 08:23 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: brianZ7]
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Wouldn't hurt to try but don't know if I'd spend the extra $$$ for Durana. You may be better off just fertilizing what is already there.
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#3151208 - 02/04/13 10:28 AM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: brianZ7]
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 Originally Posted By: brianZ7
I figured I would get the concern about not being able to spray. The situation is that there is nothing at all in the field that the deer are attracted too. I was hoping that with mowing reguarly, weekly even, I could give the clover a chance to establish their roots. Will I get any results at all? If I was to have 40% results compared to herbicide I would be happy. This would encourage the deer to use the field more than before, right?
Not to sound like a smart a$$,but mowing my yard never slows down the grass.Just saying,not sure what good mowing will do on grasses.
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#3151464 - 02/04/13 02:32 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: Football Hunter]
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I wonder if the land owner would be open to you using Poast herbicid? It will ONLY kill grass as far as I know and he wouldnt have to worry about it killing his trees.

If you can't do something to keep that grass under control, it will smother the clover out as soon as it gets warm. I've got one food plot that I plant in Imperial clover and I fight grass constantly. I had it clean with Poast one time and the grass gradually came back until it overwhelmed the clover - now I have to start all over again. \:\(

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#3151795 - 02/04/13 06:46 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Not to sound like a smart a$$,but mowing my yard never slows down the grass.Just saying,not sure what good mowing will do on grasses.


Yes, I know i will not slow it down. The thought I had is that by mowing the grass it would allow the clover to get sunlight so that its roots could establish. I realize that having 100% clover stand is optimal, but I would be happy with 50% clover, 50% grass.

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#3152718 - 02/05/13 11:27 AM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: brianZ7]
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 Originally Posted By: brianZ7
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Not to sound like a smart a$$,but mowing my yard never slows down the grass.Just saying,not sure what good mowing will do on grasses.


Yes, I know i will not slow it down. The thought I had is that by mowing the grass it would allow the clover to get sunlight so that its roots could establish. I realize that having 100% clover stand is optimal, but I would be happy with 50% clover, 50% grass.
Well,could work,but I would read the post above by Hunter275w
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#3156735 - 02/08/13 07:47 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: Football Hunter]
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I just frost seeded some white dutch clover today. I searched the internet and what I found most interesting is that it is supposed to crowd out grasses and weeds because it is invasive, and does well in poor soil. Only time will tell.
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#3158873 - 02/10/13 04:35 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: timberjack86]
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 Originally Posted By: timberjack86
I just frost seeded some white dutch clover today. I searched the internet and what I found most interesting is that it is supposed to crowd out grasses and weeds because it is invasive, and does well in poor soil. Only time will tell.
Interesting,let us know.
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#3164154 - 02/14/13 04:52 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
 Originally Posted By: timberjack86
I just frost seeded some white dutch clover today. I searched the internet and what I found most interesting is that it is supposed to crowd out grasses and weeds because it is invasive, and does well in poor soil. Only time will tell.
Interesting,let us know.
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#3164432 - 02/14/13 09:29 PM Re: Rookie food plotting: Clover version 1.0 [Re: brianZ7]
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Keeping the weeds/grass mowed to about 6" is a good way to keep the clover from being overtaken by huge weeds. i did this a few years back and the clover prospered better than just letting the fields go like we do on most of ours in the summer because maintenance is too high for us to keep up with..............we have 43 fields and we cant do it. We mainly plant ours for fall/winter benefits because for the months of dec-march these fields are never left alone at night......but with the oncoming budding of greenbriar and honeysuckle at the end of march/first week of april they leave them immediately and do not touch them. the wheat just grows and seeds and then the turkeys clean them up. then they need mowing.
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