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#3148035 - 02/01/13 09:42 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BUCKTOOF]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: BUCKTOOF
BSK, I hunted 24 days, a.m. & p.m. I had to work 11/19 - 11/21.
It is hardwoods in an agricultural area that has a few clear-cuts that border the hardwoods. My hunting partner hunted 17 days and saw 121 deer. I am sure we saw some or most of the same deer over and over.


Dang that's a lot of deer sightings!
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#3148141 - 02/01/13 11:06 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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BSK, It is and I am fortunate and blessed. I have kept records the past few yr's, nothing as indepth as your records though. Yearly sightings have range between 90-120, this yr was the most we have seen in one season. Out of the # of deer sighted, there were only 2 really good bucks seen-(same way last yr), and they were seen only once. Neither presented a shot opportunity. As far as I know, they are still walking. Lots of spikes, 3's, 4's, 5s and 6's, a few young 8's though.
I think we are like the "Pre-School" for deer. We unintentionally educate them. We let them walk to grow for next yr. Then, for the most part, seems they move on up to "High School"-(surrounding properties) and meet their maker...

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#3148182 - 02/01/13 11:37 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BUCKTOOF]
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You are fortunate and blessed BUCKTOOF. On average over the last 10 years during just the rut month of November, on my place it took:

2.6 hours of hunting time to see a deer (any sex or age)

8.3 hours of hunting time to see an antlered buck

20.8 hours of hunting time to see a buck 2 1/2 years old or older

66.7 hours of hunting time to see a buck 3 1/2 years old or older.
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#3148260 - 02/01/13 01:01 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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bsk that's awesome information! how do you keep it on the computer or hand written?
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#3148495 - 02/01/13 05:56 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
bsk that's awesome information! how do you keep it on the computer or hand written?


I've got the most complex observation, weather, and harvest databases you could ever imagine. Every time a hunter hunts my place, 50+ pieces of information may be entered into all the databases, including sunrise, sunset, moonrise and set, percent of the moon's surface illuminated, moon phase, all weather conditions (wind direction and speed, high and low temp for the day, etc.), what stand the person hunted (GPSed positions), the time they got on and off the stand, the exact minute they saw each deer, the sex/age of each deer seen, each observed buck's photo census ID#, whether each deer was within weapon range, whether a shot was attempted or passed, how many shots were taken and the results, the distance of each shot, and on and on...

Years ago, I worked developing relational databases for the U.S. Census Bureau. Still do it for fun.
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#3148755 - 02/01/13 09:44 PM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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wow I thought I was doing good with my information, I just started it in depth this year. but all of thst blows mine away big time lol. but that's awesome way to learn about your farm and deer herd!
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#3148946 - 02/02/13 08:04 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: deerhunter10]
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 Originally Posted By: deerhunter10
wow I thought I was doing good with my information, I just started it in depth this year. but all of thst blows mine away big time lol. but that's awesome way to learn about your farm and deer herd!


Dat collection like that can teach you a great deal about the physical condition and social structure of your deer herd. However, don't count out all of the things this information can teach you as a hunter. At last year's QDMA National Convention, I gave a talk concerning how data can help you be a more successful hunter. I gave four examples of how data collection and analysis has taught us things that have made our hunting more productive.
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#3148974 - 02/02/13 08:43 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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Wanna share those 4 examples BSK?
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#3151145 - 02/04/13 09:39 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
Wanna share those 4 examples BSK?


Football Hunter,

With the QDMA being a "science-based" organization, many members, through the QDMA's publication "Quality Whitetails," are introduced to a lot of research about deer. However, too often I believe they look at research and any type of "number crunching" as just a way to learn about how deer herd biology and management work, and never really consider that some of this research can actually teach information that can make a hunter more successful. So some of my talk was geared towards the different research projects I've been involved with and how results from those projects have taught me valuable information that can be used in hunting. I used my rub density and distribution study as an example of learning how bucks use specific topographic features of ridge-and-hollow terrain in their movements, as well as specific habitat edges in their movements. In addition, I looked at a study I conducted that compared hunter observation rates "spatially" against digital computations of habitat diversity for the area, which found that deer sighting rates by hunters are closely linked to habitat diversity (the more diverse the habitat in the area of the hunter's stand, the higher their sighting rates were).

But beyond just research projects, I want hunters to start looking at their observation data in a new light. Most QDM advocates are taught they should collect observation data to help track herd parameters, such as adult sex ratio and fawn recruitment--as a measure of management effectiveness. Yet that data hold lots of other information, if you look at it differently, especially by hunting location and history over time. I also wanted to give examples that don't require the fancy mapping software I use in my work and research, so I gave some examples where "spatial" information could be analyzed with just a paper map, a pencil, and perhaps a ruler.

One of the examples I used was our realization of just how critical sanctuary cover was to our sightings of 3 1/2+ year-old bucks. A couple of years ago, while playing around with our data and looking for any type of pattern that might emerge, I started looking at each stand location we had seen a 3 1/2+ year-old buck from over the entire history of our management program. I thought I saw a pattern developing concerning each stand's location and a specific type of habitat--sanctuary cover (thick cover habitat we had set aside as a "no human activity" area). So I drew a hundred yard-wide stripe, or "buffer," around each patch of sanctuary cover and then analyzed all of our hunting time and observations based on whether each hunt occurred inside or outside one of those sanctuary "buffers." I found that although these buffer areas only comprised 40% of our hunting land, and we had only spent 55% of our hunting time inside these buffers, over 90% of all sightings of 3 1/2+ bucks occurred while hunting inside one of these buffers. The location of these buffer areas has now become a major consideration in where we move stands to each year, and has led to more 3 1/2+ buck observations and kills.

Another "computation" that has greatly improved our hunting success came about because of a problem we were experiencing. During our intense doe harvest phase, we began to notice that all of our best stands were dramatically declining in productivity (deer seen and killed per hunting hour) over time. Assuming excessive hunting pressure was reducing the daylight deer activity near these stands, we began calculating cumulative hunting pressure over time by location (we laid a grid over a map of our hunting property and totalled up the number of hunting hours that had been spent in each grid-square over the last five years). We found that, contrary to our belief that we were speading hunting pressure out pretty evenly across the property, huge "holes" in our hunting pressure had developed over time. We called these holes "de facto sanctuaries," as they had become sanctuaries from hunting pressure by accident. We then started moving stands into these sanctuaries, whether or not good deer sign existed, and forced ourselves to hunt them (and many of these de facto sanctuaries had developed because they were areas devoid of good sign, hence no one wanted to waste time hunting there). The first year we hunted these stands, our deer sighting rates exploded. The deer had learned to pattern our other stands and were avoiding those locations during daylight, shifting their daylight activity into the de facto sanctuary areas. Now, before we move our first stand for the following year's hunting season, we recalculate this "past hunting pressure map" to see where new de facto sanctuaries have developed by accident, and make sure that we move at least one stand into each of these holes in our recent hunting pressure (we use the hunting pressure data from the last three years). Looking at the results from these de facto sanctuary stands shows they account for nearly every mature buck kill we've made since discovering this relationship.
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#3151200 - 02/04/13 10:23 AM Re: # of Sightings During A Season [Re: BSK]
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Thanks BSK,good info,and now my mind is racing on where to move stands.There are a couple places we never hunt,pretty large areas,"cause they dont look right" or "are to close to the cabin"
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